4 Month / Half Oz Trip - Advice requested
Submitted: Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 13:38
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OzNjB
Sorry for the log post but my partner and I are planning for a 4 month trip around 1 half of Oz (up the centre and then either the west or east coast)
At this stage I am leaning towards a preference for the the western half.
We do not currently own a caravan or suitable towing vehicle. If we opt for the caravanning option both caravan and tow vehicle will be purchased 2nd hand solely for the trip (and a couple of weekend shakedown trips) and then sold afterwards. Caravan would be purchased with cash and the tow vehicle through finance (hoping for interest only loan options - but need to
check with our Bank). Caravan & vehicle budgets at this stage are around $25k each (if I can get an interst only loan then vehicle budget could increase).
Planned departure date is early July and we are planning to stick to sealed roads between major destinations (eg if we do WA we won't be going down the
Gibb River Rd) - ie no towing long distances down unsealed roads and we are not looking to typically
camp off the beaten track
Also if we do WA I want to go into the Bungle Bungles but we could always hire a 4WD from Kununarra for a few days if need be.
My partner's father is a mechanic and her brother is a diesel mechanic - they have both strongly advised us against Landcruisers or Prados because they reckon they suffer too many mechanical problems when used specifically for towing (but I can't find any evidence on the net to back this up - exact opposite if anything). They are strongly pushing us to get the biggest \ heaviest vehicle we can afford for newbie caravanning safety (which makes sense). They reckon we should optimally look for a 3.0 litre TD Patrol (around '03 to '05) to give us off-road non towing options or alternatives like a BT-50. They even reckon a Territory is an option if we stick to the bitumen. My partner's biggest requirement for vehicle is comfort and she is sold on the Territory for both comfort and also that it falls inside our initial budget. Patrols seems to be mid 30's for the age range I mentioned.
In terms of the type of caravan my partner currently favours the Jayco Discovery Pop-Tops - the 16.52-2 model in particular which has an 18 foot body length. Other makes \ models are prefectly ok - its just that she like the layout of this model the most and we want a pop-top for easier towing.
There are a few items I am trying to figure out.
1) In this scenario do you guys believe purchasing a caravan and tow vehicle and then selling would be more economical then say using our normal touring car ('02 Holden Calais) and stopping in Caravan park cabins with a 2 man tent taken with us when we are in a pinch for accommodation?
2) What type of tow vehicle do you suggest? Can anyone with proper mechanical knowledge dispute the anti-Toyota stance?
3) Am I right in believing that with WA I can stay on sealed road getting between the major holiday parks?
Reply By: Bigfish - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 19:48
Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 19:48
Mate I spent many years working in the outback. Anyone who suggests that Toyotas are not up to the task is talking rubbish. Have a look at what the mining companies, farmers and the indigenous prefer. Toyotas. Yes , they are more expensive than a nissan. I would not use the 3.0 litre turbo nissan diesel for towing. The company I work for has about 25 of em and everyone agrees that when towing the motor struggles. The old nissan 6 cylinder turbo diesel was a ripper. Your budget should see you get a good 80 series turbo toyota or a Nissan turbo 6. The van.....
well as someone said..how long is a piece of string.
You can see a huge amount of Oz from the bitumen. In areas where a 4wd is really needed why not hire, if you can? Group tours for a day or night can be organised as
well. If your 02 holden is in good condition, why not spend a few bob on it say adding an oil cooler, larger radiator, thorough mechanical inspection and new tyres. Say spend $5,000 on it$30,000 on a comfortable van and spend the rest on enjoting yourselves. Put $5,000 away as an emergency fund that can be quickly accessed in case of a mishap.
At the end of your trip you still have your car ready for daily work and then you can flog the van.
Anyway good luck with whatever you do and even though you only have 4 months..DONT RUSH THE TRIP!
CHEERS
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony H (touring oz) - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 20:50
Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 20:50
Ditto to Bigfish....agree with every word!
No disrespect to your inlaws ........ But..........
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Follow Up By: OzNjB - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 17:12
Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 17:12
Thanks - Calais was initially ruled out because of comments from the out-laws. They thought that distance might combined with inexperienced might be a safety \ machanical issue waiting to happen. I'll talk to them again to clarify because I do like the financial sense of it.
The Calais is the better half's pride and joy and she isn't keen to do any undue harm to it. I drive a work car that isn't an option either unfortunately. Maybe I just have to promise to cover mechnical costs for her or something
I need to speak to the out-laws about the whole Toyota issue again. The weight of evidence appears to be on your side (I simply can't find any wide spread concerns about Toyotas and from what I hear most people are towing with them!). i'll look into the models you suggested thanks.
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 08:55
Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 08:55
Wow, a lot of questions here. I would put a $15-20k Poptop.. behind your
Calais & go. The $$ saved will pay your costs & you wont travel more comfortably
than in the Calais. Hire a 4wd when required.
Another option is to go car only...Accom would cost less than the caravan but may
not always be freely available.
To outlay $50 k would appear to be a very expensive way to go about the trip.
Good luck with it.....oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: OzNjB - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 17:27
Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 17:27
Yeah tempting - currently we are thinking a $25k budget but have seen reasonable ones for the $20k mark that experienced a fair bit of TLC.
You are correct that a $50k outlay is a lot but I prefer to look at the final cost ant the end of the day after resale - that is what will scare or reassure me :)
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Reply By: timothy - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:47
Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:47
Before you start on your big trip I'd decide if I could live with caravanning for 4 months. Hire a caravan, even if only for a week and travel with it, do some
bush camping and stay in a couple of parks, living in a van is much different to living in a house. Living out of your car and staying in accomodation is also a big change, have you done this kind of thing before? I think your vehicle will depend on where you plan to go and what you plan to see, in my opinion the best bits are when you're camping as far from town as you can go.
I would be inclined to spend more on the tow vehicle than the van, and would probably buy a 4x4 and a cheaper 2nd hand van. I'd avoid finance especially if you haven't got a guarenteed job when you get back. If you decide on caravanning I'd look at a4x4 dual cab turbo diesel ute, probably a 2003-2005 Holden Rodeo or similar and a late 80s/early 90s van. This way you can spend the majority of your time with the van and use it as your base
camp, if you choose to go offroad (such as into the bungle bungles) you can leave the van and just take the vehicle.
If you decide caravanning is not for you, I'd buy a 4x4 station wagon such as a turbo diesel Prado or turbo diesel dual cab ute with a canopy. This will give you plenty of covered space for your gear and the ability to go off the tar if you choose.
My wife and I decided to tour in our 20s so we bought a 1997 Jeep Cherokee and a 1985 Viscount Grand Tourer for a combined cost of $9000 in 2006 and did the big lap for 4 months in 2007 after a couple of
test trip to iron out the issues. The trip cost us around $16,000 in fuel, accomodation (camping fees etc), vehicle servicing and tours, and we did about 20,000km. We ended up keeping both the Jeep and caravan as we're hoping to get out there again for more than 4 weeks at a time.
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Follow Up By: OzNjB - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 17:39
Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 17:39
It will definitely be a change but we love to travel in the last 5 years we have done Europe, Canada, Thailand, Fiji & Vanuatu - some off a little off the beaten track but caravanning will be new to us and we want to see our own country.
Even though we are both very quiet people we like the social aspect of caravanning and the thought of the people we might meet.
Employment is a not a concern we have safe jobs (as safe as anyone can be nowadays) to come back to.
Holden Rodeos are definitely in the mix. If her Dad's '05 Rodeo wasn't a manual we would have asked to borrow that! We decided that as caravan newbies we should stick to autos even though we both have owned manual cars in the past.
The only thing that turns me off caravanning is the thought of communal dunnies for 4 months but I'll get over it soon enough (too many blokes in this world were never tought about aim or flushing the results of last night's vindaloo).
Appreciate the rough costs you gave me - always handy to know
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Reply By: lesterb - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 14:12
Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 14:12
We're about to do the same. We had a 2L 4 cyl Hyundai Tucson and a 12'9" poptop caravan and made trips from
Brisbane to
Adelaide, Eden,
Sydney,
Bundaberg, Hervey Bay and
Coffs Harbour in the past 18 months. The only time it struggled on those trips was on the steep climb coming up from
Goulburn to
Oberon but we made it without incident.
Now we have the bug and have bought an 2003 Avan Rhys 17'3" and a 2007 Falcon Wagon LPG only. In July we intend to travel from
Brisbane to
Darwin, down the west coast to
Perth, across the Nullabor to
Adelaide and back to
Brisbane via the Riverland,
Hay Plain and Newell Highway.
We'll be sticking to the bitumen all the way and unfortunately leave around the same time as you so we won't be able to report on our trip before you leave.
What size van are you thinking of getting? Will the Calais tow the weight legally?
If so, why get another car if you're not going off road?
My wife does dog obedience training and trialling so we'll be taking two setters with us and entering the obedience trials at the
Darwin and
Perth Royal Shows and another trial in
Geraldton. Can't wait for July to get here.
In the mean time we are off to Bermagui, NSW in a few weeks, again for obedience trials, for the first long stay trip with the new rig.
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Follow Up By: OzNjB - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 17:47
Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 17:47
Hey maybe we will cross paths on the trip!
We are looking at something in size similar to a Jayco Discovery 16.52 (about 17.5" external length from memory) - more than enough when you don't have onboard
toilet \ shower
As for the Calais - if we did go with it we would ask the out-laws to get the correct tow-pack on it and make sure it was all legal and safe. We want another car to not "hurt" her much loved car but also to get some extra weight to make towing much safer (due to our inexperience) and improve off-road optios - even a pretend car like a Terriroty has better off road capabilities with its increased clearance.
There are plenty of day trips down dirt roads we probably will want to do.
Anyway - good luck on your trip!
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