80 Channel UHF Question

I have an Icom 400 pro, apart from going to a dealer how do I go about changing it to tune into new 80 UHF Channels ?
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Reply By: vk1dx - Friday, Jan 27, 2012 at 20:41

Friday, Jan 27, 2012 at 20:41
The general public is not supposed to.

Phil
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Follow Up By: P and JM - Saturday, Jan 28, 2012 at 19:33

Saturday, Jan 28, 2012 at 19:33
Hey Phil, the public are different to us VK's. They do as they want.
Cheers P&J
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Jan 28, 2012 at 21:44

Saturday, Jan 28, 2012 at 21:44
Tell me about it!!

Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Tezza Qld - Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 00:26

Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 00:26
Oh Christ


I am sorry that we the public are different to you VK's people. We are not all amateur radio enthusiasts.

The OP asked if it was possible to add channels to a Icom to bring it in line with the new 80 channel systems.

The general public is not supposed to. What tripe There is nothing to stop the general public configuring a radio to whatever they want ,as long as it is within the legal requirements.

The software is available either on line for free or the manufacture will supply it for a cost.

As long as the radio operates within the legal limits whats the problem.

Me thinks you hate the thought that people apart from the amateur radio group can run radios with more than 25 watts on a public band

If that is the case you would hate my 45 watt Icom F2821 using 477 meg frequencies

Teza


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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 09:51

Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 09:51
What I did...errr I mean what a friend of mine did was buy a patch harness and download the program off the internet.

OK...mine...I mean my mate's radio is a GME but he wanted 1-40 at 5 watts then all the repeater channels and channel 40 (plus a few select others) at 25 watts.

Took all of 5 minutes to reprogram.....he said.

Fab.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:34

Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:34
Teza

This previous post does not help your stance does it.

Regarding you own comments it is possible to do a lot of things to digitally control based equipment. But whether you are allowed to by law or warranty is another matter. My first comment was a blanket one to try and get the inexperienced person to take it to a qualified and approved shop/person and get it done. My next comment was a throw away line as a joke. In bad taste - Yes!

You are correct in so far as a user can tune a radio to a frequency that it is both workshop accredited to operate on one and also ACMA type approved to operate on. However the tools must be standard user based tools. Anything that is controlled by the accreditation or manufacturer as non-user, ie workshop/maintenance only type tools must not be used. As well, a radio that is type approved to operate on 40 channels is not necessarily type approved to operate on 80 channels.

The Icom 400 specifications state:
• Frequency coverage
CB : 476.425–477.400 MHz
Private : 450.000–500.000 MHz (RX only)
• Mode
CB : 16K0F3E
Private : 16K0F3E (Wide)/8K50F3E (Narrow)
• Number of channels
CB : 40 channels/1 bank
Private : 88 channels/7 banks

The above is copied from the latest copy of it's specifications that I can find. I would question if this specific radio is type approved by ACMA to operate as an 80 channel UHF CB. We have to be careful as each one has to be treated on its own merits. With this in mind, yes, my comment was inaccurate.

Just because a radio can operate on 80 channels does not mean any Joe Blow can modify it. You must be careful that the manufacturer has had it type approved by ACMA as an 80 channel CB. They or the manufacturer may also have restrictions depicted in the supporting documentation for such an approval as to who is permitted to change to 80 channels.

I also feel that you have the idea that I believe that CB is below me as a ham. That is way, way off mark. Personally I have a healthy respect for CB. If it wasn't for CB I would never have tried for my ham licence. I thank CB for the excellent companionship and safety that both HF and UHF CB has given me.

I suggest that you have a look at the way you consider amateur radio.

Maybe a more civil approach would have been beneficial instead of a direct challenge to me.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Sunday, Feb 26, 2012 at 02:24

Sunday, Feb 26, 2012 at 02:24
Phil

You quote this from the specs - "Private : 16K0F3E (Wide)/8K50F3E (Narrow) "

You should be able to tell us what that means. Have a go.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Sunday, Feb 26, 2012 at 19:26

Sunday, Feb 26, 2012 at 19:26
Sorry mate but I am sick and tired of the childish arguments that we have about radio. I couldn't be bothered. You know what it means as you claim that you are a retired tech. You are just trying to be smart. And it will not help one bit about this threads topic.

I have just had a great weekend with our club up in the vic alps and the last thing I want to do is argue.

ZGN

Phil
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Reply By: snailbait (Blue mntns) - Friday, Jan 27, 2012 at 20:48

Friday, Jan 27, 2012 at 20:48
HI cobber
The is not free and it is licensed it is not available on the net
if your Icom is a few years old it will not and can not be upgraded to 80 channel
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Follow Up By: Member - Tezza Qld - Friday, Jan 27, 2012 at 22:30

Friday, Jan 27, 2012 at 22:30
Oh dear

What miss informed information.

The Icom 400 pro has no trouble in operating on the newer channels.

The easy way to do it is grab a programming lead and software, easily obtained from the net and add the top forty channels to the second bank.
Choose the 5 watt power selection to keep it legal.

As the cb bank cannot be altered it will remain as loaded with channels 1-40

There are other ways to configure the radio but this is the easy way if you use the scan functions.

If you cannot do this yourself any reputable dealer will do this for you.

The Icom 400 pro has 128 channel capacity. 40 have been loaded. As long as you only wish to have the other 40 gazetted channels at 5 watt max power loaded there is no problem.
As the radio is programmed via the microphone socket you it may require removal if done by a dealer , check with them first.

A very easy 5 minute job

Cheers Teza
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Saturday, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:26

Saturday, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:26
My Icom 400 Pro can be done.
It's 5 years old

If you live near Melbourne
This Mob in Cranbourne do it for $45
Click here

Cheers
Bucky

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Reply By: Bazooka - Friday, Jan 27, 2012 at 21:51

Friday, Jan 27, 2012 at 21:51
From what I've read Cobber you need some software and a programming lead. Unless you can borrow the lead it will probably cost you more than getting it done at a dealer - ie if you really need access to the 80 channels.
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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 09:54

Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 09:54
E-Bay ...around $25-30 then you have it for life.
Software is free off the net.
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Reply By: Member - Bugeye - Friday, Jan 27, 2012 at 22:16

Friday, Jan 27, 2012 at 22:16
Rights and wrongs aside .... it is very possible and quite easy. Look up the icom group on yahoo groups and you will find what you need to learn there...
cheers
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Reply By: Member - Tezza Qld - Friday, Jan 27, 2012 at 23:02

Friday, Jan 27, 2012 at 23:02
Cobber

If you go to Ebay and type in Icom there are programming leads with software for$17-90.

Get one with usb for a laptop to save removing the radio

Cheers Teza
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Reply By: olcoolone - Saturday, Jan 28, 2012 at 16:16

Saturday, Jan 28, 2012 at 16:16
If you don't understand how to do it get a dealer to do it for you and it will save you some headaches.

Also if you can get 1-40 programmed wide band and 41-80 narrow band..... it helps with compatibility problems when using it with 40 channel radios.
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Reply By: vk1dx - Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:57

Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:57
Mate take it to one of the above places and just get it done there. Then you are covered if anything goes wrong or they break it.

Before anyone jumps on me take special notice of the immediately preceding paragraph. And also note that not stage did I categorically state that it was illegal. I cannot because nor have I have read the type approval documentation nor have I spoken to ACMA regarding this specific radio.

Phil
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Reply By: Bazooka - Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:37

Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:37
I thought the 5 watt legal limit was set so that 'CB' radio traffic would be localised - ie people talking on ch40 won't be blocking other users 30km away? Perhaps someone with more knowledge could explain. I guess that with current usage it's currently not a big issue and should be less so with 80 channels?
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:10

Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:10
That makes sense in both a 40 and an 80 channel scenario Baz. Was it planned? I doubt if thinking "outside" the box like that was in any or the meeting's agendas.

Phil
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Reply By: Roy42 - Saturday, Feb 25, 2012 at 11:23

Saturday, Feb 25, 2012 at 11:23
Where do you live?
If you close by I will program to 80 Channels & any other mods you want.
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