correct use of a camp oven

Hi All,
7 weeks to go until our big trip, so we are on the count down, busy and excited. Just wondering if people toss all their ingredients into the camp oven or into a dish in the camp oven? I have found if you over cook something or have the heat too high and part of your dinner burns onto the camp oven it is a bugger to clean. Any tips on cooking or cleaning the oven?
Thanks, Carreen
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Reply By: Patrolcrd11 - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 20:07

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 20:07
We always use a trivet and another pot that fits snuggly inside. Inside pot is easier to clean. Trivet keeps a little gap which since using this nothing has been burnt on the bottom.
Have a super trip.....lucky buggers.
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Follow Up By: Carreen - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:51

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:51
Thanks for that advice, I have a trivet but will look for a pot-glass or metal? Yep we feel really fortunate to be going although tentative about leaving family and friends.
Carreen
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Reply By: Notso - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 20:13

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 20:13
Don't put the camp oven on the fire, dig a shallow hole, whack a shovel full of coals into the hole put the camp oven on the coals. Use a few coals on the lig. Much more controllable that way.
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Follow Up By: Carreen - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:52

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:52
ok, thanks!
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 20:48

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 20:48
A few camp oven type links that may prove useful to you ..

Camp Oven Cooking In Australia

Camp Oven Cooking With Mick

Dutch Oven Camping (American site, but with some good tips)

Enjoy!!

Jack






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Reply By: margery l - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 20:48

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 20:48
I agree with Notso, it's a much better way to control your heat. I use a small army type shovel which I find much easier. a trivet is great if you're doing roasts but if it's a stew just throw the lot in. Keep your oven well oiled between uses and make sure it's well seasoned before you start, this makes them easy to clean. If you totally burn the bum off something rinse it out and scrape as best as you can, then put it back on some coals, mostly burnt food will lift as it dries. Don't be tempted to scour it back to metal, you'll end up with a rusty mess. If you burn stuff onto an ordinary pot, just sprinkle washing powder on it, moisten a little and sit it in the sun for a day, it all just flakes off. We're off to the Murray in 5 weeks.
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Follow Up By: Carreen - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:54

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:54
Thanks Margie,
Will try all that! Enjoy your trip-the planning is half the excitement.
Carreen
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 20:57

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 20:57
The trick is not to put your camp oven anywhere near the fire.

Get a bunch of coals, and put them on the ground. Then the oven. Then put a bunch of hot coals on the oven. The roast is cooked nice.

To keep the oven hot put kindling on the top. It will burn and create new coals.

No burns. Top heating and you don't even have clean out burnt out embers.
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Follow Up By: Carreen - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:55

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:55
Coals sounds the way to go then, thanks
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Reply By: Member - Robert R1 (SA) - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 20:57

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 20:57
Carreen,

I am no expert at camp oven cooking but I have cooked a few roasts and a few pizzas and stews. Too much heat is the biggest problem. I go by the sizzle. If it is sizzling too much then it is too hot and vice versa. I get told off because I check too often.

Stews are easy because it is mainly bottom heat and you can take the lid off a bit to stir it.

With pizza I partially cook the base first and then add the topping and put the coals on the top. That way the bottom doesn't burn.

Camp oven cooking is a trial and error thing. You learn quickly as you go along. Unless you burn everything to charcoal you will be able to eat some of what you cook.

If any one complains (you are surrounded by experts) then let them cook.

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Bob


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Follow Up By: Carreen - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:56

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:56
lol will do-thanks!
Carreen
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Reply By: Bushranger1 - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:06

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:06
G'day Carreen,
Been cooking in the camp oven for 35 years & still have my 2 trusty Cast iron ovens that I bought way back then.
As stated already, take the coals to the oven & don't put it in the fire.
If you are cooking a roast you can place it on the bottom of the oven but if you use it for bread, cakes or deserts (apple crumble is great in the camp oven) use a cake cooler in the bottom of the oven. You have to make the oven hotter for these items so you need to keep these off the base or they will burn on the bottom.

As for cleaning fill the inside with warm soapy water for a while then wash it out. Oil it after every use & it will serve you well for years.

Cheers
Stu
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Follow Up By: Carreen - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:57

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:57
Thanks Stu-I wish you were cooking for me!!!
Carreen
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:22

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:22
Hi Carreen,

As others have said, control the heat by cooking over a bed of coals, and put a few coals on top if you want extra heat (keep a horsehair brush handy to brush the ash away so it doesn't get into your food). Or if you use a portable BBQ plate you can sit it up on that to stop it getting too hot.

Use a trivet for roasts and bread or damper, but for stews just put the makings straight into the oven and give it a looong slooow cook (not too many coals).

With use the fat from cooking will penetrate into the iron and give it a non-stick coating, so if you can keep that coating intact your oven will be easy to clean. We just put a cupful or 2 of water in the oven and with the lid on, sit it back on the coals to simmer while we eat. It is then a simple matter to tip out the water and wipe out the oven. If you are not using the oven to cook food containing any fat then give the oven a wipe over with cooking oil after you have cleaned it.

There a lot of complicated ritual that can be associated with using cast iron cookware, but its really very simple. Cast iron is a very good conductor of heat and the fat or oil/iron combo makes a really good non-stick surface providing you dont scrape it back too much or use too much detergent ( a little bit of detergent is OK).


Have a great trip.

Cheers,

Val
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Follow Up By: Carreen - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:59

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:59
Ok that's interesting and I'll remember the detergent tip.
Thanks, Carreen
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:23

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 21:23
If you put a pot inside the camp oven you are defeating the purpose of the oven.
You may as well just put the pot on the coals.

Carreen,

It depends on what you are cooking in the camp oven.
If you are cooking a roast, or baking bread, a trivet on the bottom of the oven will keep the food off the hot bottom of the oven and avoid burning the food.

If you are cooking, or heating a casserole, then just toss the food into the oven and control the heat more so it doesn't burn. The best way to do this is to sit the oven on a "pot stand" above the coals or heatbeads so there is an air gap.

I hardly ever use a camp fire for the camp oven, unless it has been burning for a long time and heaps of coals are available.

I use a "pot stand" to sit the oven on and the coals or heatbeads are underneath the stand, not being in direct contact with the base of the oven.

Hillbilly manufacture a robust pot stand that does an excellent job.

I have had the odd failure over the years until I started using the current combination of the stand and heat beads. Now I get a consistent result.

Don't forget, with roasts and baking, heatbeads or coals on the top of the oven, as well as underneath, will give the best results.

As for cleaning the oven.......Na!
Once the oven has been seasoned and developed a black looking coating inside the oven, you will have a non-stick surface and should never touch the oven with soap and scourer.
Just a quick wipe out is all that is generally required. If you have a "messy" oven, just whack some water in it and place on the coals to heat up. After tipping the water out and wiping down with paper, a smear of cooking oil all over the oven will keep it from rusting and ready for the next session.

Above all, just get in and do it. It's a most enjoyable way to cook your food.
Fresh bread done in the camp oven is an event to behold.

Good luck and enjoy!

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Follow Up By: Carreen - Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 22:01

Friday, Feb 03, 2012 at 22:01
My mouth is watering-bring of the butter and golden syrup!
Love your slogan if that's what you call it-gave me a giggle and oh so true for lots of us
Carreen
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Follow Up By: Patrolcrd11 - Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 00:23

Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 00:23
If you put a pot inside the camp oven you are defeating the purpose of the oven.
You may as well just put the pot on the coals.

It actually works well sandman. Been doing it that way for about 15 years. Best thing is for when we want to use the oven again just after tea for cakes and dampers....another pot goes straight in and away she goes. Heat control is near on perfect.

Coals away from the fire top and bottom is standard fare.

No need to clean camp oven....just reoil.
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Follow Up By: Holden4th - Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 09:30

Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 09:30
Quote: "As for cleaning the oven.......Na!
Once the oven has been seasoned and developed a black looking coating inside the oven, you will have a non-stick surface and should never touch the oven with soap and scourer.
Just a quick wipe out is all that is generally required. If you have a "messy" oven, just whack some water in it and place on the coals to heat up. After tipping the water out and wiping down with paper, a smear of cooking oil all over the oven will keep it from rusting and ready for the next session."

The dark solid patina the oven develops after seasoning and plenty of use (without cleaning with soap and water) is as good as or even better than non-stick surfaces
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Reply By: lancie49 - Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 13:35

Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 13:35
I don't get away as much as I want but when I do I use the Co all the time.
I don't have trivet or inner bowl to cook in, not much point I wouldn't think.
You have the CO oven to cook in, so cook in the CO.

As has been said, heat is the imnportant thing and regulating that with coals or heatbeads is easy.
Just add some or remove some.

Before you leave home make sure the CO is well seasoned, I generally do mine 2-3 times, and so far it's worked well.
When you've emptied the food out after cooking, wipe the CO out with paper towel or a damp cloth while it's still warm and it will be fine till the next time.
Never use detergent on a seasoned CO or you'll need to start the process all over again.
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Reply By: Stevo - Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 15:01

Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 15:01
And now for something completely different !!

Roasts: using a trivet and 2 or 3 tablespoons of olive oil, place your longer cooking vegies ie carrots, spuds, sweet spuds into the oven and put it in the fire without the lid. The lid goes in the fire separately. While the oven & lid iis preheating, place less than half a shovel of coals on the ground nearby. When the oiled oven is at smoking point about 200 degrees C for olive oil ,depending on siize of fire, usually a minute or so) remove from fire and put your meat in, put lid on, place on bed of coals and place half a shovel of coals on top. Replace coals only when the oil starts to come off the crackle ie around 150 degrees. Place greens in the oven 10 mins before removing camp oven from coals

Stews and casseroles as per you would with a saucepan

Pizzas, and I have cooked literally hundreds in my ovens over the last 35 or so years:

the pizza tray needs to be elevated to within 10 cm of the lid. I use wire mesh in my oven. Put the oven & lid in the fire and leave until all oil has burnt out of the cast iron (often, the base of the oven is glowing a rosy red by then).
Remove from fire, place pizza in oven with plenty of coals on top. Pizza is ready in 4 or 5 minutes. To cook a good pizza the oven needs to be HOT 400-500 degrees C.

After a night of pizza cooking (sometimes we have cooked in excess of 20 for a large group) wipe inside of oven and lid with a generous amount of oil.

My ovens have never had a chance to get patina on them (because of pizza cooking) and have given them a good scrub with PLENTY of detergent and very abrasive stainless steel scrubbers and these ovens will still be in use in another 30 or 40 years by my grandchildren
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Follow Up By: Member - Welldone (WA) - Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 21:58

Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 21:58
And now for something completely different [Part 2]

I have regularly used my old camp oven for nearly 30 years to cook roasts, stews, dampers, soups, etc. And it has been heat by all the usual methods:- campfire coals, gas and at home on the potbelly stove; but 20 years ago I made a solar oven, that now is used for at least 50% of camp oven cookery because it cooks gently and the WA fire bans during the summer and autumn means that "cooking coals" are unavailable for five months of the camping year.

The solar oven is basically an insulated wooden box with a black, sheet-metal inner box [heat collector] that the camp oven sits in and a hinged, double glazed door/window that is aimed towards the sun. A couple of reflector flaps direct extra energy into it. The closed oven traps the sun's radiant energy and gradually heats up the contents of the box.

The solar oven is sat on the ground [preferably out of the wind and definitely out of shadows] and turned to keep it facing into the sun every hour or so.
There is no fear of burning the food as the temperature never gets above 300ºF [115ºC], even on the hottest, sunniest summer's day.

So if you want long, slow and safe cooking from your camp oven, this is a good method, especially if you are camped up in one location for a few days and have time to sit , relax and enjoy the serenity.
The evening meals are started a lot earlier than if you are cooking with coals/fire/gas. Roasts are put on by noon, stews, curries and casseroles by mid morning. This will give delicious "melt in the mouth meat" that is very tender and no chance of the dreaded charcoal!

The disadvantages are the same as solar panels: doesn't work at night and cloudy days, but this is Australia: "A Sun-Burnt Country" with more than enough "cooking" days to go around!

Cheers
'Adding more to the pot'
Welldone

PS...It's cooks so gently that it takes 2 hours to boil a kettle!
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Follow Up By: Member - Welldone (WA) - Sunday, Feb 05, 2012 at 01:48

Sunday, Feb 05, 2012 at 01:48
Oops!
300ºF = 150ºC not 115ºC
Apologies
Welldone

PS...NOTE TO SELF...I must look up conversion tables before relying on dodgy mental mathematics!!
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Follow Up By: Carreen - Monday, Feb 06, 2012 at 21:54

Monday, Feb 06, 2012 at 21:54
sounds ingenious what a clever idea!
Carreen
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Reply By: Member - John N (SA) - Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 15:43

Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 15:43
G'day Carreen,

we've been using a camp oven for most of our camp cooking for over 20 years now. There are some great responses to your initial post and a couple of new ideas for me to try too. While we mostly like to use coals, we also use the oven on the gas stove when needed. Unfortunately, campfires/open fires are becoming more and more restricted, particularly in National Parks. About 5 years ago, we bought a great bit of kit called a "Camp Oven Mate" made by a mob south of Adelaide. This allows us to use gas - it is featured on the camp oven forum.

We've done roasts, stews, bread, damper and even a corned beef. Just another suggestion for when you can't use a wood fire.

Good luck for the trip.

John
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Follow Up By: Members Pa & Ma. - Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 18:13

Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 18:13
Hi Carreen & all those of you involved in this discussion.
From past experience, I' learned to carry some quick instant meals for when things turn ugly. I Know that they're expensive but these are a company who make meals in a plastic container.
If all else fails we boil them in water, they're very well sealed & don't need refrigeration . No, not the camping store packets but even they can save a divorce.
\They're called H---=-l meals & are around $ 5.00. When it comes near to our hols we grab some when they're on special in the supermarkets. Also we take the packet rices & macaroni already to be mixed with water.
O.K., so, sometimes I cheat!!! They also come in handy if you come across some one in trouble & out of food.
On one occasion, whilst crossing the Anne Beadell we swapped water for food this way.
They couldn't carry all the water provided to them but their food drop didn't happen .It worked out really well. We didn't expect anything in return.
Then there is the no fire occasions which we carry a gas cylinder with a large element which attaches to the top.
You'll want some nights free from cooking big time, if you were home you'd get takeaway .There are fold up type ovens you can put on these burners or gas stoves for camping. for when you can't have a fire. You can cook jaffles on them on low heat too,These portable gas stoves are great Just cos you're camping doesn't mean you have to always cook in the camp oven.
Have fun & above all,have a safe journey. You'll meet heaps more potential friends.
Take care keep safe & do it while you can!
Bye for now, Ma.
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Follow Up By: Carreen - Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 20:42

Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 20:42
Wow, such a lot of great ideas and advice, thanks everyone
Carreen
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Follow Up By: Members Pa & Ma. - Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 21:22

Saturday, Feb 04, 2012 at 21:22
Hi Carreen,
Thanks for that.
We both have cancer & are ever so glad that we started doing our trips early.
Because of this we came across your post fairly late & am not sure if you're in a tent or van.
We go in a tent & have learned by our mistakes, so my advise to you has been based on that.
Just do it whilst you can.
I used to be a Nurse & saw too often the result of waiting till you retire.
If you are in a tent, be sure to take a tarp to cover your fire area & this will save you!, your like of camping & your marriage! if it's raining heavily.
We can not afford a van & all of us make mistakes,& learn from them. Oh dear, when you're wet ,cold & hungry, divorce comes very close to the best of friends.
Be prepared!! for the unexpected. We got flooded & the fire wood got wet. & the ranger had told us that it wasn't going to rain when we started our treck in the a.m.
We had to swim back to camp & it was freezing. Luckily we had some Port wine!!!!!!!!!
Enjoy your adventure & be prepared for wet weather & the unforseen problem.
Sit down with a cup of whatever & think out your predicament before you act if something does not go to plan. Enjoy, We wish you well.
Take care, safe travels.
Bye for now. Ma.
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Follow Up By: Carreen - Monday, Feb 06, 2012 at 22:01

Monday, Feb 06, 2012 at 22:01
Hi Ma, Thanks for the advice, so sorry to hear of your health problems but glad to hear you are out and about having adventures. My dad waited until he retired and then it was too late for him. We are both nearly 50 and this trip is largely to look at what is out there and what other things we can do work wise especially hubby who wants a change from manual labour jobs. We go with open minds, open hearts and if anything is an indication as per our preparation where things keep breaking eg. air conditioning, seals, universal joints and camper trailer poles- an open wallet lol
Take care Carreen
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Follow Up By: Members Pa & Ma. - Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 17:15

Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 17:15
Hi Carreen,
Hoping this finds you well.
Sorry I'm late with my reply but I've been in hospital.

Canned Tuna, definitely!!! You can also get canned chicken breast.
Even mix it with rices as well as the potatoes. Tinned ham also very good for creating adventuring meal with adventure.

On our last trip we were prepared for the expected but as said early back, be prepared as well as you can be for the unexpected.....eg. Diesel solenoid breakage.
Needed glue that could hold with diesel fuel & a few different size bits of hose.
Very lucky it could be fixed.

Tins are heavy but they have fluid which is handy for many situations Eg. Tinned Pineapple. Eat the pieces & water down the juice to drink.

You'll meat some lovely people & not so lovely ones. Some think they can rip you off because you're tourists. It happened to us........ Get three opinions & really think it through. Also remember, not to i nsist it be done fast because you're on holiday. Send me a member message if you want to know. We had our long service, once in a lifetime trip ruined because we were tourists at an out of the way place.
Have a great trip . There's a good site on Farm & house sitting.
Take care, safe travels, Bye for now Ma.
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Reply By: margery l - Sunday, Feb 05, 2012 at 22:28

Sunday, Feb 05, 2012 at 22:28
A couple of tins of tuna are always handy. If all else fails you can make the dreaded tuna mornay! We were at Heavy Tree Gap in Alice with 30 other coaches on Good Friday, 29 drivers walked around to see what cooks were doing. Everyone was making their Mum's version of tuna mornay! I did seafood crepes ( took ages), but it's a handy standby. We went to the Olive Tree and had steak....heathens!! You can make a reasonable tuna and deb mashed potato pie with the stuff. On tour we also had a box of stew stuff which was like army rations. Never used it but it was there. You can get this sort of thing at Anaconda. I vac pack food if I have extra and freeze,it's a fantastic way to keep food and always handy if stuck.
Cheers
Margie
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Follow Up By: Carreen - Monday, Feb 06, 2012 at 22:05

Monday, Feb 06, 2012 at 22:05
Thanks Margie,
The deb potato reminds me of camping with my parents when I was a tacker!
Carreen
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Reply By: Member - *Rusty* - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2012 at 21:38

Tuesday, Feb 14, 2012 at 21:38
The best thing we ever did was buy 2 enamel loaf tins to cook roasts and desserts in.....soooooo much easier to clean and fuss free - and you can put dessert straight in after taking tea out as you clean the loaf tin not the oven. Just use a welding glove to pull each loaf tin out and bob's ya uncle.
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