200 series or stick with 100 series

Have owned 3 100 series cruisers (V8, Turbo diesel and 6 banger)
Loved them all but especially the V8 petrol.

In the next 6 months I am thinking of getting another one (at the moment I don't have any 4WD).

Heard rumours around that the 200 series has a few teething problems like poor quality interior fit out, oil probs, and dust problems ????

Are these probs genuine and what years are they in and what years did they fix them ?

I have also heard some owners wishing they never sold their 100 series wagons ?

Money is not a concern here, I just want a good vehicle again, and not sure whether to take the leap with the 200 or stick with what I know in the 100 series ??
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Reply By: nowimnumberone - Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 20:39

Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 20:39
better the devil you know
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 21:16

Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 21:16
Its funny you know, when I got my 80 series, the 60 series owners were bagging them for a variety of reasons. One was that coils wouldn't last the distance and leafs were the only things strong enough on corrugations (anyone remember the Toyota ads in the 4WD mags of the day during the 60 series reine perpeting this myth over the Range Rover?)

Then the 100 series came out and whoa, the 80 was the best Landcruiser Toyota ever built, anything with IFS is simply too soft to last in the outback. Now I suppose its the 200's turn. Sure, the early models had the odd minor issue, but nothing thats a real generic problem (note to one's self here - watch out for the flak).

The 200 hase been out since late 2007, thats some 5 model years now. Does anyone really believe that any inherrent issues haven't been sorted out by now and that the real biggest issues are the ones by your mates, brothers aunts friend who had a sister who had a problem with .... (cue whatever disaster story you want here).

Ask a variety of Landcruiser owners who have had a 100 series and now have a 200 and see how many would go back. I am not saying the 100 is no good, it is one of the best, but the 200 is simply an evolution of the 100 and builds on its good points. Of course there will be the odd lemon story, but no vehicle gets to be the biggest seller for years on end if there really is generic issues.

Ok, I am biased, but by the same token I have one and know just how good they are. Its up to you if you want to listen to scaremongering and miss out on the great improvements the 200 has over the 100, or just go back to what you know - makes no difference to me as I already have one :)

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 21:35

Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 21:35
Well said the oldys are always the best...........
apparently..

That said I wouldn't bother spending the extra money for that 10 year old petrol dinosaur

That would be like buying the 100 with the 4.5 yea it was good in its day but...
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 21:22

Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 21:22
I don't believe the 200 series has any of the problems you mentioned, we have 2 in our immediate family and not one problem to date, after 70,000kms, but thats what youd expect for a Toyota IMO. The 100 Series V8 is regarded by some Toyota service managers as the best cruiser they have made in this class. Reality is though at some point you have to upgrade and the 100 series will eventually fade into an older vehicle.
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Reply By: Dust-Devil - Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 21:28

Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 21:28
EYSPY

If you need someone to convince you by holding your hand, soothing your trembling fears re 'teething faults', then if I were you I would buy another 100.

Go to LCOOL where all the experts, novices, try hards, wanna be's, could be's re everything Toyota hang out, including the Captain above and myself and get into the 200 forum where any question you can think of is answered many times over.

I know I am getting another 200 around July 2012 and might just chase you up to see what, if any, teething problems you have experienced.

It won't matter, because I have already put the order in cause they sooooooo! good.

Just buy one and be done with it. You won't regret it.

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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 22:01

Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 22:01
Hey guys.

Have to agree about just sooooo good. I just loved the way we 'cruised' over the steepest Simmo dunes from the eastern (steepest faces) end; just total grunt at low revs. But a couple of buts.

I'm not sure I'd buy another, as it's so high tech you can't do hardly any mods; simple stuff like like pulling out the second row seats. Makes extended camping logistics difficult - might go for a tray conversion option next time.

Horses for courses. I've got one of the only LC200s that I know that actually gets into serious remote area rough, and I'd really like to be able to change a lot of the layout, but I'm not allowed to.

But, if you're just towing the van... great vehicle. Super comfortable and endless power.

Mechanical probs; I've got the 2008, and I've had a couple of the teething issues. But I reckon they're all sorted by now. Buy new and I wouldn't think there'd be probs.

As DD says, go to LCOOL.

Cheers.
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Reply By: eyspy - Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 22:05

Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 22:05
I hear what you are all saying and appreciate it, which is why I posed the question.

I have no fears as mentioned. Yes, new models always have teething problems and old models are always fondly remembered.

I just needed good people like you guys to confirm or deny the existence of problems and which years they sorted them out by. Still waiting for an answer on that one.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 22:40

Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 22:40
If I was to buy a 2nd hand 200 GXL, I would go the 2009 update (mid July from memory). No real mechanical issues but things like the vacuum pump mod (oil consumption) have been done. It has the reverse camera, electric drivers seat, steering wheel radio contols and front seatback storage. Only minor things really and condition would be a bigger factor, but might as well get the extras if all other things are equal.

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Follow Up By: eyspy - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 07:54

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 07:54
Cheers Mate, just what I was after 2009 onwards, thank you
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Reply By: eyspy - Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 22:14

Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 22:14
Oh, and I wont be buying new, that's just screwing up good money as you leave the show room. I rather buy a 2 year old with around 50,000 kms and save 30k. The newly retired can afford the new ones, me ? I have to look to where I can save $$

I can pick up 2006 100 series turbo diesel 8 seats from Gov auction with 30 - 50,000 kms for 50k or get the 2010 200 series with similar kays for 65 k

Extra 15k for the newer model, no biggie if things are all good with the vehicle.

At the end of the day for me it's just a vehicle to tow my boat/van and cart the 4 kids and wife around. Serious 4W driving for me does not happen, I just like the space and comfort they provide. Hell I did not even have snatch straps or winches on my previous vehicles.
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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 03:43

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Follow Up By: Kris and Kev - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 07:34

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 07:34
Yep, asking questions on forums about what car to buy is just a waste of time. You cannot really make a decision by the answers as you will get. And totally disagree with your comments like, ‘just screwing up good money as you leave the show room’ and ‘The newly retired can afford the new ones’
Each to their own. We bought our 200 new some 109,000 k’s and almost 3 years ago and have looked after it, know the history and love it. We did not buy it when I retired, worked bloody hard to afford it.
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Follow Up By: eyspy - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 16:24

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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 17:00

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 17:00
...still no real name eyespy...why the anonymity?
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Follow Up By: ModSquad - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 17:55

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Thanks gents but that is quite enough from the both of you. Very unnecessary all round. On topic and appropriate or don't bother thanks.

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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 00:15

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 00:15
Do your homework with carrying capacity. You could be loosing over 250 kg carrying capacity, depending on model selection. Don't they have a smaller fuel tank as well?
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Follow Up By: eyspy - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 08:01

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 08:01
Will do that, thanks as I never thought of that. Cheers
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Follow Up By: PeterInSa - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:58

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:58
Agree with NN re the better carrying capacity of the 100 Series. However I understand that you can have the 200 series carrying capacity upgraded if done before first registration.
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Reply By: LCV8ute - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 00:18

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 00:18
Hi mate
I have a 2010 landcruiser GXL ute V8 turbo diesel with 27k on it yes they are grate
good power and good comfort. I love my ute but yes the V8 diesels do use oil toyota
have done all mods and think they have fixed the problem but mine still uses
oil some are trying synthetic oil with mixed out comes and one more thing
don't put anything after market on the thing it just makes thing hard when
you want Toyota to fix something I found out it gives them something to
blame so keep it standard there are some other things you can see on the
net have a look and do your home work
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Follow Up By: eyspy - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 08:03

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 08:03
Good advice, thanks
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Reply By: Member - nick b - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 07:44

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 07:44
We have a 100 series v8 petrol nice car ......

never buy the 1st car of a new model ......

We have friends that have a 200 wagon , motor had a melt down cost Toyota around $ 40,000 they said ( replaced complete motor ) but luv it ...

oldmate drives ute for his work.. heavy on fuel , big turning circle ... :-( .

n/parks here say they are heavy on oil !!! . The wagons look to me to be low at the front .

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Follow Up By: eyspy - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 08:03

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 08:03
Wow !!

All vehicles can have the odd stuff up, but would hate that to be me ....
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 09:33

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 09:33
Don't worry Epsy.

200 owners never seem to have the problems that 'friends of friends' have with their 200. Strange hey?

Go to Lcool, there are about 500 owners of 200's on that forum. I would say there are about 50 - 100 of those that have gone from a 100 to a 200, of those about 95% love it, the other few generally complain of worse fuel economy than a 100 turbo then towing heavy loads. The 200 diesel gives good economy unless loaded up, then it drinks.

I have NEVER heard of anyone complaining about a $40,000 rebuild, I think that may have been exagerated somewhere along the line.

The major complaint is excessive fuel use in pre 2009 models which was fixed by Toyota except about 2 - 3 users who still complain that it uses oil after the fix. Most use 1/2 - 1l per 10000km.

Apart from that there are a couple with steering pump leaks ( inc mine) tail shaft clunks ( goes away after about 40,000 km), and not going into 6th gear which is fixed by Toyota for free but only if you ask for it. It is a firmware upgrade.

It is the best vehicle I have ever owned, which includes a few 4wds and sveral BMW's. It is a terrific cruise vehicle and beats a Patrol for flex and traction off road. I go to the high country a lot with several dedicated Patrol owners so I see it out perform them frequently.

Love it.

Don't listen to anyone's advice unless they own one.



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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 09:35

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Oops "The major complaint is excessive fuel use in pre 2009 models which was fixed by Toyota except about 2 - 3 users who still complain that it uses oil after the fix. Most use 1/2 - 1l per 10000km. "

should read

"The major complaint is excessive OIL use in pre 2009 models which was fixed by Toyota except about 2 - 3 users who still complain that it uses oil after the fix. Most use 1/2 - 1l per 10000km."
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Follow Up By: eyspy - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:17

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:17
Thanks boobook, will go there and check it all out. Sounds like the later ones are all good. Cheers for the helpful info
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Follow Up By: Axle - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:54

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:54
G/Day Boo Book,... I would think 1Ltr of oil used in 10,000ks on a lower K motor would be a bit of a concern,what about when you get to say 200,000ks, is the consumption going to double?., i prefer no oil useage until its gets to the higher ks,..When i think about it i don't think the 15yr old landy uses much more than that!

My V8 4.7L Petrol uses no oil in the 10.000km service range at 230,000ks.


Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Shaver - Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 16:37

Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 16:37
My 200 Petrol also has nil oil consumption between services.
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Reply By: Member - Glenys & Ken Taree - Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 15:13

Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 15:13
The 200 series is light years ahead of the 100 series, I have upgraded from the 100 series to the 200 series,and have had no probllems, extremely pleased with the new model, very easy to tow with, very comfortable ride, tons of power,can drive all day.
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Follow Up By: eyspy - Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 00:47

Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 00:47
Good to hear, but now I am leaning towards getting a Prado instead.

I can get a 2010 150 series GXL prado turbo diesel with about 50,000 kms for $45,000

Will be just using for running round town and carting my family of six when we all need to go together. Should be cheaper on juice and maintenance ?
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