One for the IT Experts.
Submitted: Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:43
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Member - Stephen L (Clare SA)
Hi
Here is a question that I would like one of the IT experts to answer please.
I do not want to get into a debate, just like the Toyota/Nissan etc but how does Exploroz know what type of computer you are using. I learnt to walk with a Mac and like anyone that uses one, will know of there quality and feel. I had to around 7 years ago purchase a Windows base computer for the sole purpose of using OziExplorer, and it was just as if I had to learn all over again how to use a computer, Mac's are so much easier to use.
If I log onto EO with my Windows computer, I get the usual standard type of advert at the top of the screen, as like the Image below.
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Now when I log on using my Mac, the advert is completely different and amid directly at Mac users, as the image below.
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Like I said, it is not a debate about what is best, as I have both and know what is the best, but would like to know how does EO know what we are using.
Cheers
Stephen
Reply By: Member - Bytemrk(VIC) - Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:11
Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:11
In simple terms it is in the code of the site.
To ensure a web page displays correctly for you - the site needs to determine a variety of things - the most important being the web browser you are using and the resolution it needs to display at.
This
information is in the data packets set to the site by your computer when it requests the page.
Developers need to
test their code on the different web browsers they want it to work on. ( That's why you find some sites do not work correctly on some browsers.)
It's the same mechanism that allows a site to identify the Operating system you are using.
It's also how they calculate the marketshare of browsers and operating systems:
Operating System Market Share
Others could explain it in far more detail...but basically that's how it works.
Mark
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:25
Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:25
Hi Mark
Thanks for that, I thought it might have been along those lines but was not quite sure.
Thanks for taking the time to answer my question.
Cheers
Stephen
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 13:18
Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 13:18
Not only the browser, operating system and screen resolution but city and country that the visitor is viewing from which also allows targetted adverts to be displayed provided it is coded that way.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 13:27
Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 13:27
Hi Mike
Thanks for that.
Cheers
Stephen
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 13:37
Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 13:37
Hi Mike
You have just brought up another interesting point about browsers. It was reported just the other day that Big Brother (Google) found a loop hole in the Safari browser and were monitoring sites that Safari users were visiting.
A student studying internet browser security found out the loophole and I bet he was then taken on board on one of the Major IT Companies.
From memory there was no comment from Google.
I does not worry me even though I use Safari, they would have seen how many time I log into EO....................LOL
Cheers
Stephen
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 17:09
Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 17:09
Google monitors (or used to before gurus blew the whistle on them) everything you search for and links it to your IP. Do a search and you might be surprised.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 17:53
Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 17:53
Hi Bazooka
I bet we would all be very surprised at what Big Brother has on us all. As you say the moment that we connect to the Internet, we are all at their mercy.
Cheers
Stephen
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 18:53
Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 18:53
Hello Stephen,
It's not just Google that is looking at the data. Google makes the data available to the web site developer by the simple addition of a few lines of scripting code. To be fair, the info is anonymous and no personal details can be retreived. In effect the website is "watching" what you do and making decisions based on your actions. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 19:27
Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 19:27
It's a relatively simple process to connect your IP and email address then link a name from one of thousands of lists being sold around the www.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 20:51
Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 20:51
They won't learn. But I don't need them so I ignore thwem after that. And so do I ignore those ignorant ones who won't take off their sunglasses.
I just do not understand how they can think it is okay. Only liars and cheats hide their eyes.
Phil
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 21:34
Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 21:34
Or people suffering extremely from glare.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 07:38
Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 07:38
Allan
Inside? Not likely.
Phil
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 08:18
Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 08:18
Yes Phil, sometimes even inside when seated facing a
bright window.
Don't judge too hastily.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 08:52
Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 08:52
Rubbish Allan.
You are nitpicking.
Just like taking your hat off inside, it's good manners, not just lip service by being "politically correct" that you get these days. A thing of the past. But we still follow the practice and mean it.
Phil
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 09:37
Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 09:37
Phil, You really are being intolerant.
I for one, and I am sure many others, have a clinical condition that makes vision glare unbearable.
If forced to sit facing a glare and unable to relocate, I would apologise and explain the need to retain my sunglasses. It does not happen often but it can happen. To an observer outside my companions it could appear inconsiderate.
I am saying that there can be exceptions to the ideals you espouse, so don't tar everyone with the same brush.
Come on Phil, not everyone can be perfect in all ways!
But enough. We really are way off-topic.
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Reply By: get outmore - Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 18:26
Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 at 18:26
Nothing as insidous as some are suggesting
its simply the next generation of marketing - expect to see alot more of it
I mean basically pick up a mens mag and you wont find adverts for tampon etc
this is just advertising systems marketing to you more directly
I mean whats the point of adverting PC stuff to you if youve got a mac? all that is doing is wasting money as i think internet advertising often relys on paying per view
Did you see the film Minority report with tom cruise?
the advertising billboards recocnised people walking by and called out to them advertising products tailored to them
same idea taken a fair bit forward
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 08:01
Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 08:01
Hi get outmore
Thanks for that explanation, appreciate your reply.
Cheers
Stephen
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 19:22
Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 19:22
StephenL, it's very simple.
I have a web site and iIwas amaized what statistics I can pull from it's back end about the visitors.
When you go to a web site, that website can ask your compter for it's details in the HTTP protocol used in the internet. You computer will dutifully tell the web site. All this happens without your knowledge just about every time you look at almost any web page.
Things like
Operating system and version
Screen resolution and size
Number of colours set in the display driver
Browser Eg IE, Safari, Firefox etc
Here are some scary ones.
What web page you were on before the current one !!!!!!
What
search engine referred you, if any
What
search terms were typed into the
search engine to get to that page.
Big brother.
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Follow Up By: equinox - Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 20:02
Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 20:02
Hi Boobook,
I'm not too sure about your first "scary" one.
I thought it was only if the previous webpage you were on has a link to the current webpage you are on.
I could be wrong, however I can't get that data from my own personal websites traffic analysis report, that's why I am a bit doubtful.
Cheers
Alan
PS - you can block that info by selecting "block cookies", easily done on Firefox, not sure about other browsers - probably.
PPS - If you block cookies, for example on Exploroz you will have to reselect all your preferences every time you visit, that includes logging on. To see what I mean go to "My Home" and select "Logoff", then select "clear cookies" - this has the same effect as clearing the cookies on your browser.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 20:22
Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 20:22
Hi Boobook
That for that and I was completely unaware that could and does happen.
Thanks for taking the time to explain.
Cheers
Stephen
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