Engel fridge drawing too much power?

Hi,
I have noticed that recently my battery life on a trip dosent last as long as it did a few months ago. I dont think it is the batteries (2XOptima's 75ah each, six months old).
I think it may be the fridge.
I have a front loader Engel:
http://www.engelaustralia.com.au/cgi-bin/product.cgi?item_id=st68e&item_string=&category=Past%20Products

As an example: the voltmeter showed the batteries holding 12.82v with no applicances draining. After a 4 minute fridge cooling had finished and the batteries settled back to the no load level, the voltmeter showed
12.78v. The fridge is only on setting 1.5.
The fridge was secondhand and I have had it about 6 months.
The fridge seems to be working normally and not cycling more often than before. It should be using between 0.5 and 3.3amps

My question is, does a permanent drop of .04v over a 4 minute period equate to more than 3.3amps and if so, what can cause a fridge to use more power in a cycle than it is supposed to?
Thanks
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 07:01

Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 07:01
Hi Stanto,

Although your batteries may be showing a full charge voltage wise, if they are less than healthy, they may discharge at a faster rate.

There are two things you can do to test your system.

Connect an amp meter to the circuit to show you how much current is being consumed by the fridge. This will confirm if it is drawing too much power.

Have the batteries load tested to confirm if they are healthy or otherwise.

I once destroyed an Optima spiral round by leaving my Engel connected too long, too often and it just wouldn't recover.
Now I always ensure I have a low voltage cutout device connected to protect the batteries from being drained too low.

Bill


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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 07:04

Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 07:04
just my words Bill....

Hello Stan,

suspect the Opti.as first.

For the test to be conclusive, you need to discharge the batteries with a known load current for much longer than a few minutes.

E.g. you could take 2x21W 12V bulbs and connect them to the batteries with an ammeter (multimeter), and jot down the battery voltage every 8 hours or so.

If the batteries were fully charged (unlikely with Opti.as in cyclic apps) and healthy (also unlikely), then they shouldn't have any problems powering the light bulbs for 24 hours.

Now you can draw a diagram with the four voltage readings versus time and compare this with the manufacturer supplied discharge diagram.

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Follow Up By: Stan2.8D - Tuesday, Apr 10, 2012 at 22:01

Tuesday, Apr 10, 2012 at 22:01
"suspect the Opti.as first. "
the batteries were fully charged (unlikely with Opti.as in cyclic apps)
and healthy (also unlikely).

If in doubt always cast aspersion on the competition's product before doing anything else. Same old Peter, trotting out the same old distorted biased rubbish in the desperate hope that people will think twice about buying known and respected brands and switch instead to your no name, no brand Chinese self-imports.

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Reply By: Member - nick b - Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:53

Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:53
Gooday Stan : I'm NO elec wizz ..... Not only do what sandman suggest , load test battery & current use , but I would also

test over a long period one to two day and put it under stress that way you will get a better idea of what its going to do when out in the field .

I.E hot day in the sun , large tub of water see how it cools etc

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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 09:47

Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 09:47
As suggested test with a AMP meter to see what it's drawing. There are many variables at play here and you will never get the exact same amount of time out of the battery. Things like, what was in the fridge, was it put in cold, how many times did you open the lid, did you put warm beer back in, was the fridge in the sun in the back of the car, was it insulated etc etc

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Reply By: Stan2.8D - Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 13:11

Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 13:11
Thanks everyone, for your replies.
I'm on the road so I went into the nearest Engel fridge service agent. He tested it and it was fine, only drawing 1.5amps.
Took it to the Century depot, and he tested the Optimas and he said they were fully charged. He sent me to an auto electrician who said he would need to do a stress/discharge test, but I have food which would go off so I will leave it till I get back to Adelaide and see the dealer I bought them from.

I did try to top up with a not very posh multi stage charger before I left (took about 30 mins before the charger said the batts were full).
But the sparks said it needs to be done with a 7 stage charger (Cteck or Projecta) on renovate setting. This might work if they are not stuffed.

I am very careful never to drain them below 12.3v and have never done so. But I am getting down to 12.3v from 12.85v in about 9 hours now when it used to take a good day and a half.

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Follow Up By: Ross M - Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 14:32

Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 14:32
G'day Stan
As the others have said, you need to test the amps for a long period to get the full picture.
If the Engel is the same compressor as is normally used then it draws around 2 amps when running, some do vary a little fridge to fridge. You mentioned something which puzzles me a little and I have heard this before where it says they draw between, as you stated 0.5 and and 3.5 amps. Do you mean this as the average of the hourly use or the actual current draw. Unless this is clearly understood which is which then problems are harder to advise on.
I always go on the current draw because this is what can easily be tested and because the use/run time can vary enormously and flatten the battery far quicker than you thought it would.

Seeing you are travelling, perhaps the vehicle ambient temp the fridge is working in is quite warm and therefore the fridge is running far more often and for longer than you think it is. feeding fresh cooler air might nearly double battery charge run time.

If one fridge is dropping the battery voltage too low in a short time it must be the batteries are either not being charged to capacity or they are not capable of holding their design charge capacity.

PS Many battery testers will put a load on a battery and they say it is good when in fact it is not, makes you doubt battery testing people and their proficiency.
Only you can truly assess the situation of your fridge and batteries.
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Reply By: GT Campers - Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 22:48

Monday, Apr 02, 2012 at 22:48
Maybe the seasons mean your fridge is working harder? My Engel can chop a battery up in 9 hrs in summer - of last three days in winter, or with less food in it etc etc etc
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Reply By: Stan2.8D - Tuesday, Apr 03, 2012 at 10:22

Tuesday, Apr 03, 2012 at 10:22
Well, I think I know now what is going on although I cant say I understand it.
According to my voltmeter, the batteries can be fully charged to 12.8 in about half an hour just with the engine idling. Yes I know, it sounds ridiculous, but that it what the thing reads even after a good half an hour resting.
What was happening seems two fold, firstly the batteries have never been on a deluxe 7 stage, resort style, charger. This coupled with over expectations of quick alternator charging, produced the effect that the batteries were discharging too quickly.

Now what I dont understand is surely if a battery tests at 12.8 then surely that's what it means. Why is a slower charge, slower to discharge when in use than a battery which has been charged quickly.
Did a run of about 3 hrs yesterday and the battery discharge rate is back to what it was 6 months ago, so nothing wrong with them, just my understanding of how batteries need to be charged.
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Follow Up By: ross - Tuesday, Apr 03, 2012 at 20:21

Tuesday, Apr 03, 2012 at 20:21
You need to forget the volts and start thinking about amps
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Reply By: Stan2.8D - Tuesday, Apr 03, 2012 at 15:37

Tuesday, Apr 03, 2012 at 15:37
Realise has probably been done to death but what is the go for multi stage chargers at the moment: Cteck or Projecta or something else and which model would people recommend, thanks
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