Will people learn? Ever?

now they will go hunt the croc for doing what comes naturally finding food

the croc was called Sweetheart (I believe). I am pretty sure that the skull is at the Darwin Crocodile farm The crazy thing was as kids living up we used swim just upstream! Lived up there again in early '90s and there is no way known that I would even dip my little toe in the Finniss...the things we do

The Croc was indeed called Sweetheart. He currently resides in the Northern Territory Museum and Art Gallery in all his glory, and he is a whopper.

It is the contents of his stomach that is elsewhere, that place being Crocodylus Park, and excellent research centre / nature park. Well worth a visit if you're up here.

G'day Andrew and Jen,

You may get Hypothermia from immersion for long periods in cold or hot conditions. These fellas probably got rained upon while up in the tree and they were wet when they got up there. A shocking and sorry tale of misadventure.

Cheers,
Willem

Always going somewhere

You can't get hypothermia from immersion in hot conditions eg. a spa - you get hyperthermia. That is why pregnant women should be careful of spas as the increased heat makes them more prone to miscarriage. I see the minimum temp today was 24 so if you are in a tree and wet through and it is quite windy, you might get pretty chilly, but it would be interesting to know if they really were hypothermic.
It's pretty academic I guess because after 22 hours in a tree you wouldn't be feeling terrific.
Merry Christmas Willie
AndrewMy Toy - 2001 Landcruiser 100S Turbo Diesel
"We do not stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing"

I cannot find hyperthermia in my dictionary but I see that it is a 1986 edition.

Hypothermia.....condition of having depressed body temperature.....

Whichever way it is spelt you can die from dehydration whilst sitting in hot mineral springs or heated pools for too long. This happened up in the NT a couple of years ago to a bloke who had drunk a quantity of beer and then went to relax in a hot spring. The alcohol dehydrated his body and the excessive hot water of the spring exacerbated the dehydration. He died.

Anyway, even in those hot climes you can freeze at night in the middle of summer.

Have a nice Christmas.

Cheers,
Willem

Always going somewhere

Evening Gents,

They would have been subjected to windy, wet conditions for the hours in the tree, so wind chill factor would have increased their ordeal. Shock would have played a big part in their condition. Cyclone Debbie was just kicking into full stride then. Wonder they didn't get DVT sitting up in that tree too. Bet there would be figure prints imbeded in the bark too!!!

One of the coldest days have ever spent was caught in a storm in Kununurra, and it's one of the hottest places in Oz.

Have safe Christmas and new year, 47 degrees here on Diamantina last couple of days - good conditions for a drop of XXXX.

hooroo...

In the interview I read one of the guys said it was cold during the night so he could have been hypothermic. Or he might just have been cold. Just surprised me that they said he had hypothermia. I think I am being pedantic and it is irrelevant to the story but I can't help myself....... Clearly you can die from cold in hot climates and you might die from hyperthermia - overheating.
AndrewMy Toy - 2001 Landcruiser 100S Turbo Diesel
"We do not stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing"

Good point Bob Y. Sounds like you arent having a white christmas this year in Diamantina - 47 Degrees - you would need a water proof keyboard I'd be dripping so much.
AndrewMy Toy - 2001 Landcruiser 100S Turbo Diesel
"We do not stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing"

Andrew,

Think those 2 lads were more concerned about dying from digestion!

Airconditioning is the secret of life in the bush these days, been 25 in the house all day.

Hooroo...

Not all creeks have crocs in them and in the euphoria of the moment, a temporary lapse of judgement cost the young fella his life.

You can't critisize the area for these things happening...your neck of the woods is even more dangerous especially after dark.

The croc has to be killed as it might strike again. Normally rogue crocs are caught and taken to the crocodile farms.

There are two types of crocs up north...Crocodylus Porosus(Saltwater Crocodile)..a man eater and Crocodylus Johnstonii(Freshwater or Johnston River Crocodile)..regarded as harmless to man...but there have been cases of them nipping intruders.

The saltwater crocodile has the broad snout and the freshwater croc the slender snout.

Aboriginal people who have lived for centruries in the top end of Australia swim the rivers at night to cross to the other side. There are ways and means to understand the traits of the animals. We poor white fellas have not got that understanding and every now and then someone pays for it.

Go up to the NT and have a look for yourself. Nice and warm and wet this time of year.

Cheers,
Willem

Always going somewhere

Yea when I said NT, I should have been more explicit, you should have no problems around Alice Springs with crocs ;)

"Aboriginal people who have lived for centruries in the top end of Australia swim the rivers at night to cross to the other side"

they are drunk!

"The croc has to be killed as it might strike again" Willem I can't follow the logic in that. I would say that the croc will almost certainly strike again if a person presents themselves as a meal. For that matter, every salty in the Territory will eat people who put themselves in harms was. Should we therfore kill all the salties? My view would be to let the crocs be unless they enter inhabited areas. Publicise this young man's fate so that others might learn. Far more people die in other preventable ways every week but we seem to ignore them and the means to prevent them, but one lousy croc attack and we become irrational about killing the poor croc who only had himself a feed. (its not like he raped the guy)Bob

I agree Bob. I seems pointless to kill the thing now...it's not going to bring the poor bloke back. It's the same with the occasional white pointer that they spot over here...they freak out and kill the thing. For gods sake when will people learn that we are humans and belong on land so if one decides to venture into water he/she becomes part of the marine lifes food chain....simple as that. It's a risk people take.
Merry Christmas All.
Will

Yup, me too..

The bloke was the fool, the croc is how old, 1 strike on someone in HIS domain, and its a mega killer?? bleep on that logic, taxi drivers would be extinct....

Unless you blokes have first hand knowledge of this environment and the people who live here and the way life is in this part of the world then I suggest you shut up and keep your inane comments to yourself. Stay in your safe havens of respectability in the suburbs of humanailia and stick to the cliches which you are used to.

This is not a personal comment but, suffice to say, that if you do not know what you are talking about...stay out of it.

Have safe Christmas and take care when typing.

Cheers,


Willem

Always going somewhere

HUH???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Confucius say.....
"He who lie underneath automobile with tool in hand............
Not necessarily mechanic!!"

Ok, lets rip this dribble to bits... Fun time!

>>> For the record you clowns (in particular truckster) they wre riding quad bikes and he slipped into the river.... until i know what caused the slip (i ... unlike other clowns here , will reserve my opinion)
Bzzzzzz... He was standing in the river and the current was strong and knocked him down. Was on the news, and in the papers. - STANDING IN CROC RIVER... DUMB.

>> You ought check out the info before you go and let fly "with how stupid people can be" attitude.
I got my facts, lets continue eh?

>> This bloke was KILLED you idiot, in the prime of his life... show him (and his Mum and Dad ) some respect , they deserve at LEAST that.
Havent showed any disrespect to his parents, only his stupidity.

>> How would you feel reading about yopiur son with teh kind of crap eminating from this uninformed post..
Uninformed? yea..

>> after all this is a 4WD based column. (now.... you can ramble on with the the savour quotes of " All 4wd's should be informed of this incident fpr their own good.... SAVE IT , do not try and justify your stupidity) .
You can continue with your Savour quotes of "Get your facts straight" too...SAVE IT.. Your an idiot.

>> Go and take a look at yourself then your son in the mirropr and think what would i like my son to be remembered for?? (certainly NOTa bagging from Wan%%%s, in this column.
If you dont like it - leave, quite easy to do, just dont type in the URL of the forum!

>> Hope you get some sleep wit what you have said...
Sleeping Fine, going to a BBQ now, to have a nice afternoon in the sun...

>> Not happy Jan

>> As always everyone simply goes off half cocked with what they think is fact....
You can continue with your Savour quotes of " As always everyone simply goes off half cocked with what they think is fact" too...SAVE IT.. Your an idiot.

The young bloke on tele said that crocs are not usually found in this part of the river. I guess this croc went walkabout. After a couple of near mishaps when driving on outback roads I now drive to my motto of "expect the unexpected" We should all apply this to crocs as well.I may be mad but I'm not crazy
Hooroo
Ray

Nineteen-year-olds Shaun Blowers and Ashley McGough were riding their quad bikes with Brett Mann on Sunday when they decided to clean themselves off on the banks of the Finnis River, 40 kilometres (24.8 miles) south of the Northern Territory capital

Blowers said Mann, 22, slipped into deep water and his companions were trying to help him back to shore when the four metre (13.2 foot) saltwater crocodile attacked.

"I went past the croc, I didn't see it, Ashley screamed out 'croc, croc', we just swam to the nearest tree and straight up we went," he told reporters.
you reckon your cute
richard(eskimo)
but im a lot cuter

Tim and Jan,
you are almost right - there are too many bloody people! Will you be happy when all the crocks are gone and the whole place is chockers with people like India or Indonesia (wher they had open season on the tigers)?Bob

Sheesh,,,what a load of malarky this thread has, with very few truthfull facts.
lets set this straight shall we?
The great Mr and Mrs Crocodile have been around alot longer than i care to think about. We humans on the other hand are still geting used to the place.
We all make mistakes at some point in our lives, and some of those mistakes can have dire consequences.
These young blokes were in Mr and Mrs Crocodiles back yard having fun on their quads,,,,,,first mistake.
They decided to clean up in a swollen river, knowing that crocodiles love these sorts of places,,,,,,,,,second mistake.
Diving in after their mate, tho extremely comendable,,,,,,,,third mistake.
Mr or Mrs Crocodile see's an opportunity and does what comes naturally, that is to hunt .
My deepest condolences to the family of the young man who lost his life.
I have seen all the news bits and read the papers on this unfortunate incident and have come to one conclusion;
they should have know better and not been there in the first place.

rick.

20 years growing up in the top-end, and a very healthy respect for crocodiles.
ahh, the joys of the great outdoors!!!