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Can any one help want to fit some new tyres to the patrol when it gets back from NZ in April and want tyres that are not radial and that are light truck tyres the radial's seem to bow out at the walls "BFG A/T on at the moment " i also have the bridgestone 693 which are better on the walls and great on the black top i heard of a tyre called YOKO but can't remember what it was.Home For Xmas
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 31, 2003 at 13:32

Wednesday, Dec 31, 2003 at 13:32
Same preicament different timeperiod though and your answer is:

Cooper ST's

they beat the BFG's and Bridgeys at the moment IMHO, and Jemima reckons they're a good thingLaterally Literal
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Follow Up By: 10 Para- Thursday, Jan 01, 2004 at 11:08

Thursday, Jan 01, 2004 at 11:08
are the cooper's a radial Home For Xmas
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thursday, Jan 01, 2004 at 13:22

Thursday, Jan 01, 2004 at 13:22
well I dunno, but an enterprising duck who once waddled with the tyre guru's put me onto these

**This** might also help you, it seems others have been down the same road, I'll sure be waddling down the Cooper ST road when next I retyre .

All the best

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Reply By: chrisfrd - Wednesday, Dec 31, 2003 at 14:04

Wednesday, Dec 31, 2003 at 14:04
Hrm..

Did you take the truck to ENZED? That would be fun.. I did the North Island in a Safari (a Patrol import) and found it to be much fun!
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Follow Up By: 10 Para- Thursday, Jan 01, 2004 at 11:06

Thursday, Jan 01, 2004 at 11:06
yes the truck and camper are still over there and we go back in a couple of weeks untill the end of april, who did you hire the import from or was it a loanHome For Xmas
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Reply By: duncs - Thursday, Jan 01, 2004 at 16:36

Thursday, Jan 01, 2004 at 16:36
10 Para,

This will probably only confuse you more.

I have just gone down the what tyre roller coaster.

Years ago I had a bad experience with Cooper Mud Terrains and it burnt me towards Cooper pretty badly. My GU was up fopr new tyres and I started asking around. Mostly because of what I had heard here I ws considering having a look at the Coopers again. In Sept/Oct I was travelling through the NT and the Simpson so took the opportunity to ask anyone and everyone, particularly independant tyre outlets. Coopers kept coming up with the recomendation. But there were a couple of travellers who swore they would never buy them again. Including aone guy who reconned they cost him about 50km out of every tank of fuel.

Back home and seriously shopping I asked at a few of the local (Broken Hill) tyre outlets. The recommendation from most of the local guys was BFG AT. I have used these extensively in the past and whilst nothing is indestructable I was pretty happy with the performance I had got rom them. The Bidgestone 693 Light truck did come up with a pretty good wrap as well. The Cooper ST's were not bagged but no dealer recommended them, including the local distributor who does not keep them in stock. I bought the BFG's. I have not had them working hard since I put them on just a few weeks ago.

Just after I put them on and while still wondering if I had done the right thing a guy from work rolled his Hilux because of a tyre failure. On the highway at 110km/h. The left rear tyre split from bead to bead across the tread. Police investigators blame the tyre for the crash. The tyres had about 25 to 30 thousand k's on them and had been well maintained, pressures, rotation and balance. It was a Cooper ST and failed at about the distance where I started to have probs with the Coopers I had on years ago.

Are the BFG's any better? I'll let you know in about 12 months.

A lot of people locally are buying the cheaper brands because they are dissatisfied with the so called top range 4wd tyre.

Like I said, it probably only ads to the confusion but I thought you should know. In the end tyre selection comes down to an educated guess. I decided to stick with what I knew. Hope I was right.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: 10 Para- Thursday, Jan 01, 2004 at 17:58

Thursday, Jan 01, 2004 at 17:58
Hi Duncs,
You are about where i ma at the moment then as i said i had Bridgestone 693 on and did about 8,000 on them and then got the camper and made the change from the Bridgestone to the BFG A/T for both the Patrol and the camper at the recomendation from ARB do you BFG look as if they are bulging at the walls as mine do in relation to the 693 i still have the 693 as i also changed the wheel ie left the allow on the 693 and bought steel rims for the BFG. I have only done around 3500 on the BFG and have no complaints ecept the bulging of the walls and have had to lift the PSI to 40 from 36 to give me some comfort if you know what i mean we have not done a lot of big miles off road with the BFG as it is in NZ but done a fair bit of river work and have been luckly that the river stones have been round and not sharp because if they were i think that i could have done a few tyres by now.
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Follow Up By: duncs - Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 22:39

Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 22:39
Para

The BFG's do bulge slightly but probably less than a lot of other brands.

They need to have some flex inthe side wall and this is what causes the bulge.

At highway speeds too much bulge will cause overheating and extra drag, resulting in increased fuel consumption and dangerous tyre failure. In off road work the tyre pressures should be lowered to increase grip and reduce the vulnerabilty to punctures. Think about a balloon. If it is pumped up hard it doesn't take mutch to pop it if it is a bit soft it will take a fair bit of rough handling. If it is too soft it is no fun to play with. Tyres are the same.

Normally on the highway I run about 37psi this drops to about 30 psi on gravel roads and about 26psi if the going gets tough say sustained low range work. On the sand it goes down to 20 as a rule but I have been as low as 17psi.

If the BFG's are working why change them? Just be careful about running high pressures in rough country.

Tyres, those simple round black things sure cause a lot of confusion.

Good luck
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Reply By: Member - Bernie. (Vic) - Monday, Jan 05, 2004 at 02:52

Monday, Jan 05, 2004 at 02:52
Hi 10 Para
BFG A/T KO ( Japan) on the Prado 50,000K heaps of tread left should do 80K easy,
similar pressures to Dunc's post above, never been rotated, only ever had to add air after dropping air to suit the tracks, done all the Vic Deserts and some rough High Country & all the Border track .
I did stake 1 rear(side wall) in the desert country (stakes & mallee roots every where) it could have happened with any brand of tyre.
All tyres bulge or they are proberly over inflated.
Using the 4psi increase when hot method 34psi (265/70/R16) suits me fine around town with a heavy load of tools & the tyre wear is also very even.
Cannot say for sure but have heard the USA made tyre is better,
another thing to consider is there availability Australia wide.

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Follow Up By: 10 Para- Monday, Jan 05, 2004 at 09:27

Monday, Jan 05, 2004 at 09:27
Hi Bernie
Thanks for that my tyres are BFG 270/70/R16 A/T and i just could not see them at 34 psi ( i run at 40 psi) maybe my Patrol has alittle more weight in it than the Prado, i don't knpw if mine are from Japan or USA as the truck is still in NZ at the moment but will check when i get back there, what concerned me was that the tyres i had before were bridgestone 693 and they did not bulge as mush as these do and only had 36 psi when they were on the Patrol with the same weight and the BFG are supposed to have 4 ply walls and the 693 onlt 3 ply to my way of thinking it must be that the 693 3 ply must be ticker that the BFG 4 ply
as mentioned have had no problems with either set of tyres but when i look at the bulge it is just calling out for one of your stakes or mallee roots.
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Reply By: Member - Bernie. (Vic) - Monday, Jan 05, 2004 at 11:57

Monday, Jan 05, 2004 at 11:57
Hi again
I think you will find most tyres ( semi's run radials) are radial now days.
Dont know about Bridgestone 693 were they OME ? they may be a highway tyre like the Dunlop Grandtrek, OME on the Prado from memory ran at 28psi with a max I think of 36psi & they did not bulge much. The BFG A/T is LT 3 ply sides max pressure is 65psi , I started at 40psi and I thought it way to hard & did not like the steering , after going down to 34 ride & steering was much better.
I would think at 65psi they would be like having no rubber at all.

Also check your tyre plackard or your manual.

On the trip when I staked the tyre (12 vehicles most had BFG A/T or M/T
some were skinny & some wide & in if necessary that makes for a lot of spares ) only other to puncture x 2 was a huge Ford 350 Duel cab running BFG A/t,
offroad we did 1500klm x 12vehicles x 4wheels = 72000klm .

"Diamond" is the tyre Guru he may be on holidays or had a name change.

Cheers

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