Too Good to be True?!!

Submitted: Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 08:52
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Came across this add in the Sunday Tele (NSW) this morning. Bargain or dodgy? http://www.carsguide.com.au/cars-for-sale/P11259868

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Reply By: Member - John - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 09:06

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 09:06
Dodgy, described as 4 cyl 2.6lt in one section, 6cyl 4.2TD in another, check it out if close, find out what actually is...............
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Follow Up By: 3.0turbob - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 09:12

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 09:12
Just caught my eye. Too many inconsistencies in description. And $16,000!!
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Reply By: Member - DereelGirl - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 09:19

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 09:19
ssssshh don't tell everyone about it. ;-)
I'm a little confused about the size of the engine, is it 2.6l 4 cyl or a 4.2l 6 cyl?? It can't be both.

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Reply By: vk1dx - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 09:59

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 09:59
I also saw the mix up in the engine surprise. But it may be an error. How many times do we come across errors in the detail these days. Its shocking.

So I would say treat it with suspicion as you would any private purchase. Trust no one and NEVER hand over money until you are 100% confident it is fine after doing all the VIN/rego and mechanical and eyeball checks. No if, buts or whatever. Its 100% or no sale.

Remember the old adage "LET THE BUYER BEWARE".

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Reply By: Ron N - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 10:02

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 10:02
Of course, it's too bloody good to be true! The vehicle was sold at auction on 8/02/2011, and it has done 249471 kms!!

It's probably sat in floodwaters to the roofline for a week, as well!

Caveat Emptor! Probably being sold by a nice Lebanese gentleman from the SW Sydney suburbs - and about the only thing new on it, is it's VIN plate!!

http://www.imasydney.com.au/as_vehicle_details.aspx?sitekey=IMA&mvmta=36798

http://www.bidsonline.com.au/catalogue_detail.aspx?cdid=202483&chid=3241
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Follow Up By: 3.0turbob - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 10:06

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 10:06
My thought exactly! Not interested in buying, I'm happy with mine at the moment, the description and $16000 price tag had me amused.

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Follow Up By: Life Member - esarby (NSW) - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:56

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:56
Another thing. Labels on Keys (Dealer) has it out for a test drive. Contact and send deposit. Goodbye money.

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Follow Up By: Member - henpecked - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 16:23

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 16:23
Also, it looks like a 7 seater, not a 5 seater as stated.
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Follow Up By: 3.0turbob - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 17:20

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 17:20
Ron, I know you need to do your research, but how did you locate the vehicles previous history?

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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 21:22

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 21:22
3.0turbob - Google is your friend, matey. Just get some details and type it intp the Google toolbar search menu, and you'll be stunned at what comes up.
In this case, he was dumb enough to remove the front numberplate, but not the back one.

Typing the rego into Google gives me 2 immediate hits - bingo! - straight up. Make sure you use Google toolbar, and not a Google search menu on your ISP's homepage or any other page.
The reason for this is, I've found that ISP's and other webpages will filter your Google results and miss half what the Google site finds.


I'll tell you an amazing story here. I frequent the tractor forums a lot, American and Australian, and about 10 yrs ago, a bloke came on the Antique Caterpillar forum complaining that someone had knocked off his backhoe.

We got all the details off him, including the S/N, and I started Googling. In less than 10 mins, I found an identical backhoe for sale, with two numbers just slightly different in the S/N.

It was along the lines of S/N 583608 and S/N 588808. Now, I've been around a while, and I've seen every trick in the book. Changing letters in S/N's, such as making a '3' into an '8', and a '6' into an '8', and so on, are de riguer for thieves.

This backhoe was for sale in an adjoining U.S. State to where it had been stolen from. I went back to the Yank, and told him to suss out this backhoe for sale, that I'd found, because it looked VERY suss to me.

Well, he came back 3 days later, and said - "You were SPOT ON!!. We went and checked out the 'hoe, and it was ours, and these thieves had hammered the new numbers into place in the S/N!
We sent in the troopers and nailed them good! I owe you one!"

I don't know who was more stunned over that episode - him or me - but it alerted me to the massive power of Googles ability to track things down.
No matter what you do, it's amazing what turns up on Google, because it searches around 98% of the web pages in the world.

Cheers - Ron.
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Reply By: garrycol - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 15:54

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 15:54
About $16000 too much.
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Reply By: lancie49 - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 19:22

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 19:22
"It's been in storage"

I'd bet there is no way you would be able to inspect it before you pay for it.
Ask the question, just for a laugh.
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Reply By: NTVRX - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 19:33

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 19:33
No front number plate or plate covered up yet rear plate clearly visible in a rear photo. !!!!!! Just viewed a GQ with 4.2 diesel very nice car with after market turbo go for nearly $16,00 on Evil Bay.
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Reply By: 120scruiser (NSW) - Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 21:02

Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 21:02
Definitely a 4.2 intercooled turbo diesel.
It is not a DX model. DX were the base model.
The phone number is a central coast number yet they state its at Glenorie which is north west Sydney metro.
I have emailed him. Lets see if he replies.
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Reply By: 120scruiser (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2012 at 17:09

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2012 at 17:09
I got a reply and yes it is a scam.
Here is his reply.
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" Thank you for the interest showed in my car, and sorry for the late reply but I have just moved to England with my job. Don't worry though, the car is still there in Australia, stored at a transport company in Cairns, QLD. This car was left to me in my uncle's will, and to be honest I never owned a car before and I don't even have a driver license, but I can assure you it runs as great as it looks, my uncle loved this car, took great care of it. The price I am asking is $16.000 and it includes shipping anywhere in Australia. Because of this situation, me being in UK, I have made special arrangements that allow me to sell the car there without me being present, so if you are still interested in it please email me back so I can explain to you how can this be done safely for both of us.

I have attached some pics of the car to this email

Cheers


PS: please get back to me soon as I have 3 other people verry interested!"

You can pick them a mile away.
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2012 at 17:17

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2012 at 17:17
I am going to scam him back and see what happens however it has been removed form the cars guide.
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Follow Up By: 3.0turbob - Thursday, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:26

Thursday, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:26
I don't know how they get away with it! I guess they count on people not doing their research.

Rob
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