Blue,black,green,red............
Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 06, 2004 at 21:28
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Willem
Well, the ANFWDC has come up with idea to mark tracks in their 4x4 track classification system according to various magazine publications recently. It would seem that this has ramifications with land management issues and insurance issues as
well as access issues. 4x4 clubs are going to take on some responsibility for track awareness and maintenance. I gather that there is a move to include all tracks within Australia into this scheme. According to ANFWDC this classification will will improve 4x4 touring safety and also reduce the demand for assistance by police and emergency rescue
services as novice drivers and international tourists will be able to avoid tracks not suited to their skill level or vehicle capability.
Is this a move to further the interests of 4x4 clubs and just another impost on an already overgoverned society or is there a geniune need for this ??
Are we becoming a nation of pussyfooters and dribblers trying to protect everyone from themselves?
Cheers,
Willem
Always going somewhere
Reply By: Chris (W.A.) - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2004 at 22:25
Tuesday, Jan 06, 2004 at 22:25
HaHa,
Reminds me of the idiot guide for ski
trails.
I can't imagine them covering too many tracks in australia, there's hundreds of thousands.
They'll list the CSR as difficult but what about the little day trips out of capital cities.
I can only see them covering for major
treks around oz where isolation from help is the main factor.
As far as I'm concerned look b4 you leap, your responsible for your own actions.
RegardsNice southerly coastal fishing trip someday.
Chris
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Follow Up By: Member - Bernie. (Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 03:56
Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 03:56
Hi Chri(WA)
!!!!!! Look before you leap.!!!!
Thats the whole idea of the colour codes.
It is about giving drivers an indication or degree of difficulty of the tracks.
1500 Klm offroad in 10 days at
Easter
3 High country trips - with some scarey stuff if you dont know the area.
What do I do walk up ever
hill to see whats on the other side ???
as Truckster said if it gets wet it can be worse.
any how thats my 2 cents
Prado TD Auto
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 17:16
Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 17:16
How often are the tracks reviewed???
Who will accept responsibility if the track has degraded to "impassible" and a vehicle becomes stuck when the
sign at the start said it was an "easy" track. (Insurance Companies perfect "out")
Legal minefield. Will not happen...................
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2004 at 23:55
Tuesday, Jan 06, 2004 at 23:55
Our club has been working with parks, and association for ages, we actually 'look after' the tracks around the club property, and when tracks need
clearing, we attend workin bees with them.
It's not new with the clubs thing, but the color coordination thing could be a danger... You can see the insurance companies now saying you are allowed on blue green but NOT red, and
orange, pink, lime, and brown... And then does the color change with the weather?? I know some of the
Deep Creek tracks round
walhalla would change from easy to extreme with a 10 min rain shower...
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Follow Up By: landie - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 08:46
Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 08:46
A very good point. It all comes down to individual assessment when you are on the track.
Landie
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Follow Up By: volvofh12 - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:05
Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:05
There goes !*uckster going on with his conspiraracy theories again
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Follow Up By: Old Soldier - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:51
Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:51
Volvofh12,
What IS your bloody problem mate????
This was an intelligent thread until you arrived with your normal brainless comment.
If you ever contribute 1% of what Truckster and blokes like him have contributed to this
forum you will be doing
well.
But I don't suppose you have the IQ to make an intelligent post
It must be sad to be a wanker and try posting on here. You just don't know where to put your hands next.
I should imagine it would be very confusing to your tiny little mind.
Whatever is bugging you - get over it
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Follow Up By: Member - Des Lexik(SA) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 10:45
Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 10:45
I don't always agree with truckster's opinions either but "oldsoldier" your right. Volvo get a life.Dare to Lead not to Follow
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Follow Up By: volvofh12 - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 12:50
Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 12:50
Des Lexik(SA),Old Soldier (AKA Toy Soldier) you both stand to support a bigget and grouch, that is your choice good on ya.......The fact is what i did contribute is intelligent but because it doesnt fall into the old school but actually dares to take new steps i get criticised for it. I doubt seriously if either of you and including truckster have even been off road....you seem to spend all your time reflecting on the old days .....I have a life and so do you....its just about time the three of you upgrade and start living in this century. If you have a problem with comments contact me directly on volvofh12h@hotmail.com
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Follow Up By: Member - Des Lexik(SA) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 14:10
Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 14:10
Volvo, and come down into the sewer at your level. No thanksDare to Lead not to Follow
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Follow Up By: Old Soldier - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 15:04
Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 15:04
Hey volvofh12,
At least us old bastards of the "old school" who have "never been off road" learned how to spell at school.
What is a "bigget" ?
Anything like a bigot??
Q: What were volvof12's hardest 5 years at school??
A: Grade One
:) :) :) :) :)
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 17:23
Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 17:23
Having met Truckster on several occasions, I have indeed found him to be opinionated and very blunt. I have also found him to be one of the most genuine and helpful people around, you know exactly where you stand with him, and that is not a bad thing at all.
"Bloody Volvo Drivers........"
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 23:02
Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 23:02
Save ya breath people, its school holidays again.. he will go back soon enough.
He has a problem with people having their own opinions.
Just ignore it, it will go away.
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Follow Up By: volvofh12 - Thursday, Jan 08, 2004 at 00:43
Thursday, Jan 08, 2004 at 00:43
$%uckster have no problem with people having their own opinions, just people like you who think yours is the only one that counts. Good to see you have got your toy solidier, wizard of oz and dislexix come rushing to your aid.
And no i wont go away...funny how you crumble when confronted with someone who will stand up to you.
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Follow Up By: volvofh12 - Thursday, Jan 08, 2004 at 00:49
Thursday, Jan 08, 2004 at 00:49
$%uckster have no problem with people having their own opinions, just people like you who think yours is the only one that counts. Good to see you have got your toy solidier, wizard of oz and dislexix come rushing to your aid.
And no i wont go away...funny how you crumble when confronted with someone who will stand up to you.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jan 08, 2004 at 01:10
Thursday, Jan 08, 2004 at 01:10
My opinion is the only one that counts to me... Yours isnt worth a pinch of bleep ... Your the one crying that I have blinkers on and not listening to your opinion.. Note not many others are listening to yours?
Rushing to my aid? Go back to school little one.
But Noting you dislike them having an opinion that is different to yours?? pist that nobody is in your pocket?
Notice nobody rushing to yours, get the hint?
Crumble?? LMAO! You have much to learn fool.
Anyway Im crumbling to pieces here.. Oh woe is me.
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Follow Up By: volvofh12 - Thursday, Jan 08, 2004 at 11:22
Thursday, Jan 08, 2004 at 11:22
Notice nobody rushing to yours, get the hint? Maybe you should read the post #41763.
No I dont really care that I dont have people in my pocket as I can stand alone not like you.
Your obvioulsy getting worked up or you wouldnt keep replying.
Good day.
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Reply By: Will - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 13:57
Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 13:57
I personally think its at waste of time. Like some said many tracks level of difficulty can change dramatically throughout the year, particularly in areas subject to seasonal flooding.....which leads to another issue....what if life is lost because a track marked as easy or intermediate actually turns out to be impassable due to a recent
weather event etc? Also I dont think all the thousands of tracks can be adequately covered. I think that we have to accept responsibility ourselves, do the research and be well equipped when tackling any journey. The sad fact is that sometimes danger will be encountered, and life may occassionally be lost but I for one think that this is all part of life and a little risk is what makes it an adventure.
I agree with your closing comments Williem.
All the best for the new year everyone.
Will.
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Reply By: Moose - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 14:35
Wednesday, Jan 07, 2004 at 14:35
Unfortunately Willem your closing comment is spot on.
I reckon the ANFWDC would be leaving themselves wide open to litigation if they go ahead with this. There is no way they can accurately grade every track for the reasons already mentioned by others. Track grading is tied to driver ability - what someone from ANFWDC condisers say an easy track may well be difficult to some people. It's a mine field they are best to stay away from.
And let's all keep to the subject matter with constructive comments and give all the crap of criticism of others a miss. This is a great
forum that's often spoiled by that rubbish. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and just because one doesn't agree one doesn't need to become abusive.
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Reply By: Member - Bernie. (Vic) - Thursday, Jan 08, 2004 at 00:43
Thursday, Jan 08, 2004 at 00:43
Hi Willem & Forumites
Have just gone back to the Victorian 4wd Assoc. site,
www.vafwdc.org.au/tracks%20ratings.htm (Sorry cant do links)
Worth reading as it may clear up some issue's raised here ( I dont read the
4wd magazines)
in part it says "to enable drivers to EVALUATE the difficulty of a track before driving it. This is designed more for the non club member."
4 catagories in brief
1 All wheel drive , road
tyres
2 High Range , road
tyres
3 Low range A/T
tyres
4 Low range M/T
tyres winch etc
At the end of the day as ' Landie' said
IT all comes down to INDIVIDUAL assessment when you are on the track.
Where did the INSURANCE issue come into this ???
Cheers & See you on a track one day (coded or not).
Prado TD Auto
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