What should the B/inlaw buy to tow his Van?, Cart before the horse thing.

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The B/inlaw has purchased a Jayco heritage van, about 24 ft, he says it weighs in at around 2.2 ton, i'm thinking more, its a 05 model and like brand new hence the purchase, got it for a incredible cheap price, Trouble is the tow vehicle, a 1995 jeep with 345,000 ks 4.0l pedo. Ive told him no way!! You definetley need a diesel as long distance running is on his agenda, The trouble is his budget is around twenty grand if he has to change vehicles ,not a cent more, so i'm thinking of a 80s factory turbo Toyo or the first of the 100s, it got to be auto as well, as i say its the cart before the horse situation but to his credit the van was the best buy ive seen in a long time! what do you think ?, might be pot luck to get something with reasonable ks to tow this thing comfortably on that budget,as i say its got to be auto as well.

Cheers Axle.

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Reply By: disco driver - Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 20:01

Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 20:01
Axle,
Here's a list of possibles or perhaps's.
Ford Territory
Nissan 4.2d or TD (not 3 ltr)
Cruiser 80/100 series
Landrover Discovery TD5 02 on
Landrover Disco 3
Falcon late BA or later (must have tow pack
Commodore VX or later (must have tow pack)
Any F trucks or Chev Silverado's
Pajero late models (maybe)

All of these will tow 2.2t with a reasonable amount in reserve.

A Landrover 130 would be ideal but they don't come in auto.

Disco.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 20:10

Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 20:10
Hi Disco,... Disco 3 would be ideal in my books.. But two problems

Talking him into landrover


Would you get a disco 3 for twenty grand?


This thing maybe not massive in weight but its long!! and looks over powering to smaller 4bys, Forget Cars, And as i say he has got to stick to that budget.

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 22:44

Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 22:44
Quote "All of these will tow 2.2t with a reasonable amount in reserve."

That 2.2 tonnes is only the tare weight. The ATM will be around 2,700 kg. The Fords, Holden and Pajero are not rated for near that weight.


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Follow Up By: disco driver - Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 23:59

Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 23:59
Territory and Falcons with the correct tow pack are legal at 2.7t.
The Holden Commode stops at 2.5t again with the correct tow pack.
The pajero was only a maybe and/or a perhaps.
Whatever it is, in order to tow something that big the tug should be a heavy vehicle with a longish wheelbase.
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Follow Up By: ozjohn0 - Monday, May 21, 2012 at 09:31

Monday, May 21, 2012 at 09:31
disco driver,
Where did you get your towing figures?
Max tow weight for Falcon is 2300Kg.(With heavy duty tow pack and WDH)
Holden Commodore is 2100Kg. .(With heavy duty tow pack and WDH)
For the Territory it's 2300Kg for all models except the new AWD Diesel which is 2700Kg. (All with heavy duty tow pack and WDH).
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Reply By: Horacehighroller - Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 21:16

Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 21:16
The weight of the van is not relevant - It's the weight of the legally loaded van that we need to know.

What is the plated GVM?
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 22:46

Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 22:46
The figure you look for on the compliance plate is ATM.


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Reply By: splits - Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 22:11

Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 22:11
"and looks over powering to smaller 4bys"
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Axle

A van of that size can easily overpower even the big 4bs as indicated by the endless number of jack-knifes that occur each year.

Don't make the mistake of looking only at van weight and car towing capacity for a van that long. There is a lot more to it than that. Get him to read through every word of this very carefully before he buys anything.http://www.caravanandmotorhomebooks.com/pdf/vehicle_dynamics_complete.pdf
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Reply By: hamo - Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 08:23

Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 08:23
You would be lucky to find a turbo diesel landcriuser in ether the 80 series or 100 series in good condition for 20g.

I wouldnt part with my 80 series for anything less than 30g.

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Reply By: GT Campers - Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 09:15

Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 09:15
Well it's very lucky he got it so "cheap" because he's got more to spend... Just about the only thing that will carry that with any competence and be close to his budget will be an early V8 100 series Cruiser. It will be petrol...







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Reply By: ozjohn0 - Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 09:30

Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 09:30
I'll bet a 24' Jayco weighs more than 2200Kg when loaded.
The maximum legal weight is the ATM as stamped on the vans Compliance Plate.
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Follow Up By: Caravan & RV World - Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 13:45

Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 13:45
Agreed OJ check the ATM weight and that changes the ball game. I'd be looking in 3 tonne towing capacity territory!

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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 14:03

Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 14:03
Hi Axle,

I recently bought a 23foot Sterling which weighs very close to the B in Laws new van. I would think they go close to 2.5 tonne loaded.

I had previously bought a 2003 petrol V8 cruiser and it towed the van very easily and the van was not telling the cruiser what to do, if you get my meaning.

With the petrol cruiser I did not have to worry about diesel exhaust gas temperatures climbing through the roof while climbing the Moonbi Range so the whole experience was very relaxing and the V8 pulls the load with consummate ease.

I was up and down Moonbi a couple of times and also went down and back up Mt Ousley near Woollongong. It was a breeze mate.

The Landcruiser is a perfect match for these types of vans and the V8 are getting cheaper all the time.

Just had a month away with ours and loved every minute of it. Could have stayed out there another couple of months it was that good.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 14:07

Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 14:07
Just an after thought

I paid $22500 for the 03 cruiser which has the 5 speed auto.
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 20:05

Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 20:05
G'day Axle,

I'm having some similar discussions with a neighbour and I felt that there is really no chance of getting a vehicle that is over qualified! To place this into some perspective, she stated clearly that she will only ever tow two tonnes but a couple of vans she looked at were already slightly over so she is now looking at a new triton that will tow 3500Kg for the benefit of the extra margin it provides. So I'm suggesting that your BIL do the same for his vehicle - get one that tows 3500Kg which still includes some you have mentioned.

Personally and a little biased I've seen some cheap 4.8 patrols - yes I know it's petrol but they make a good tug.

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Follow Up By: GT Campers - Tuesday, May 22, 2012 at 08:33

Tuesday, May 22, 2012 at 08:33
Beatit - get your mate to look at the rear chassis rails and dampers on a Triton...then a Cruiser, then come back and tell us what is up to the task of shouldering 3500kg!!

yes 4.8 petrol is a good tow car...but with beam axle both ends, not quite as good as 100 series IFS
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