LPG & Gas bottles too

Totally agree Peter, they are too smart for their own good these politicians.

Julia blew any chance she had of credability when she did the high five with Swan in parliament when the carbon tax bill passed through.

LPG for vehicle is nudging $1.00 a litre and at that price it is totally unviable as an alternate fuel source. As you say, better for the environment so one wonders why the entire commonwealth fleet is not running on gas as it would be cheaper for the Govt. and better for the environment. Have the greens gone to sleep or are have they become drunk with power.
None of them are worth voting for.

Cheers, Bruce,

As far as I knew LPG was always going to start being taxed early this year or next depending on sources. This tax was going to increase each year.

Up until then it had no or at least very little tax.

Was not widely advertised this was going to happen, but will still be cheaper than petrol/diesel.

As for bottles they have always varied depending on region and season. Each place seems to set their own price at times.

I'm sure if you used 500000 tons of gas a year you to could buy it cheaper....

LPG is manufactured when they refine crude oil, what goes overseas or used in commercial quantities is CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) or LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas)..... these are natural occurring gasses.

LPG is made up of parts butane, propane with a few other things thrown in for good measure.

CNG and LNG are methane based.

When you get a gas bottle field you are paying a little for the LPG and the rest in handling chargers....... most businesses charge staff out at between $80 to $100 per hour, so if it takes them 15 minutes to fill your gas bottle your paying for the LPG and a $25 handling fee..... there would be other hidden costs associated with it including Haz Chem, OH&S and training.

Nobody complains that a Lt of beer is 3 times the price of a Lt. of petrol and 4 times the price of a Lt. of LPG.

Yes taxes are a funny thing.

The tax/ excise on LPG was introduced by John Howard. It increases a few percent each year for a few more years yet until it reaches parity with petrol.
So, point the finger at the correct pollies. Howard and the LNP.

Yes the tax increases were scheduled many years ago - but the present price for LPG hurts!

I do 50+Kkm a year on LPG (EFI) with my Hilux V6 and LPG is still a far cheaper way to drive

Ironman,
I agree, The fuel pricing problem is not the fault of the local fuel seller. He/she is as much of a hostage in these circumstances as the people they sells to.

At around 5 cents per litre margin these guys are not doing all that well unless they have a big turnover. By the time you take into account rent on the service station, or rates etc if they are the owners, local and federal govt. charges etc. etc, the list goes on and on, there is not much left over to cover wages etc..

So the next time anyone is thinking about ripping it up some poor coot behind the counter, think, that poor bugger is probably even worse off than you because they cannot winge to anybody and they are probably getting less money than most.

Cheers, Bruce

G'day Peter, a couple of Saturdays ago I came thru Roma, no one would refill a 9kg bottle so I had to accept a Swap-N-Go at $38, at least the attendant gave me the keys to the cage and I could pick a newish bottle to replace my near new one. Shafted is right.

rr

Once again, a post started and inflamed by ill-informed ranters who can't even do their research properly before they post.

The INTENTION for a road tax on LPG for road use was introduced in the 2003/2004 by Peter Costello, and was a move by the Howard Govt to ensure that road users of LPG "made their proper contribution" to road upkeep, via road taxes.

The road tax on LPG was not LEGISLATED until May 2011. Four bills were introduced under the current Labor Govt to apply road tax to LPG, LNG, and CNG (that are used in transport).
These bills were approved and passed, and are now law.
There were no objections to the taxing of alternative fuels by the Liberal Party, as it was INITIATED by the Liberal Party.

http://www.ato.gov.au/taxprofessionals/content.aspx?doc=/content/00244543.htm

The LPG tax commenced at 2.5c per litre in December 2011, goes to 5c per litre in July 2012, and increases 2.5c per litre every 6 mths thereafter, until it reaches 12.5c a litre on 1st July 2015.

There's a very interesting factor coming out of this. The tax is only applied to LPG used in road use. Tax-free LPG is still available for forklift use, and for domestic use - and when LPG is delivered in road tankers, it is invoiced in two separate invoices - one for taxed fuel going into tanks supplying Auto LPG, and one for untaxed LPG going into tanks supplying domestic gas.

Here's the kicker. It is illegal (from 1st December 2011) to use domestic LPG in road vehicles or to sell untaxed LPG as Auto LPG. Severe penalties apply for avoiding road taxes.

http://www.ato.gov.au/content/00298947.htm

The kick in the nuts for the Govt here, is that there is no way of knowing if someone using LPG, isn't buying (untaxed) domestic LPG, and then transferring the domestic LPG into their vehicle tanks! (easy to do).
The liquid fuels can have dye added to enable tax inspectors to check on whether the fuel is taxed or untaxed (there's huge penalties in the U.K. and U.S. for those found with undyed or untaxed fuel in their vehicles fuel tanks) - but how can taxed or untaxed LPG be indentified??
I can see a lot of people using domestic LPG in vehicles, very shortly.

The LPG market in Australia is very complex, and involves a lot of horse trading. LPG is both exported and imported. The amounts of local propane and butane available often alter substantially, because both are sourced from Natural Gas (LNG) as by-products of the refining of LNG - and they are also sourced as by-products of oil refining.

When there is a shortfall in local supply of LPG, or an increase in local LPG demand, LPG is imported to make up the shortfall. It's not a matter of just redirecting LPG from the NW Shelf processing plants, as the likes of the NW Shelf partners have contracts for export LPG to fulfill, as well as LNG.

The wholesale price of LPG in Australia is basically set by the Saudis, who essentially control world LPG prices, via the Saudi Aramco Contract Price - which is set on the first day of every month, and which stays at that price for the entire month.

http://www.raa.com.au/page.aspx?TerID=1144

Ah TAX on fuel

the never ending debate !!! and nothing we can do about it !!

What annoys me more however is every time i put fuel in the boat ( and we can easily use 100-150 lts a day ) i still have to pay ROAD TAX levies, yep i know i tow the boat on a trailer on the road but that should be taken care of by my trailer rego and the tax on the fuel in my car that i use to tow it with

i should be able to buy a dedicated boat fuel from a boat shed or the like that doesn't include the road levies

OK my bitch over

peter

Oh what a can of worms I opened up.
I'm sorry I didn't do my research more carefully, thank you for doing it for me.
Maybe I should have questioned the high cost of fuel & LPG in country Australia.
I know cities like Melbourne & Sydney have the population and deserve to have some advantages over the country people who don't have bumper to bumper traffic & smog but have to pay a huge freight compnent (+ GST) on every thing they buy.
When I was a lad (a long time ago) there was an equel priceing policy on fuel but unfortunately that meant the major population centres were paying a fee to other Australians. So that had to go too.
Anyway you all have a great day, now you hear.
Stay safe & stay happy
PeteM