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The 3rd(aux) battery in the 100 series is dying and I'm going nuts trying to find the right replacement. Auto elecs (2) say rather than a dedicated deep cycle to go to a Supercharge Allrounder or Exide Extreme with CCA capabilty because of their better recharging characteristics. Had a gel battery but have since learned that they don't like the heat under the bonnet. I want to run Engel and some camp lights for 1-2 days between travels.Suggestions- Dedicated deep cycle or the allrounder?
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2012 at 21:24

Tuesday, Jun 19, 2012 at 21:24
I have a pair of Exide Extreme batteries and are 3 years old and still going strong.I have them in parallel to run my thirsty fridge and they don't seem to suffer much from draining them from time to time! They are made for offroad use and appear to do the job! MIchael




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Reply By: member - mazcan - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2012 at 21:57

Tuesday, Jun 19, 2012 at 21:57
hi marc h1
sounds like the heat under your bonnet would fry a chicken have you considered putting an air scoop on the bonnet near where the battery is
when i turboed my mazda bravo back in 1998 my auxillary battery was that hot it was boiling and no way could i put my hand on the side of it
so i searched and found a guy in perth making bonnet scoops cost me $60 i cut a
hole and fitted it just forward of the turbo and battery so the air went in and past the turbo and took the heat down past the firewall
this cured the problem and the auxillary batterys last 4-5yrs now the mazda is 1997 model and im still driving it around and never had any more cooked batteries
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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2012 at 22:16

Tuesday, Jun 19, 2012 at 22:16
Some flooded wet cell deep cycle batteries, AGM’s and some other non-maintainable batteries don’t like the heat under a bonnet. The heat in the rear battery, under the bonnet location, in my V8 Troop destroyed a top quality USA made lead antimony deep cycle battery due to internal cell temperatures in excess of 60 degrees centigrade. I am having much better run out of a pair of Century N70ZZ 4WD batteries. I have disconnected the battery isolator and they are hard wired in parallel. The outlets suppling my fridges are then protected by a simple undervoltage relay. I have a voltmeter permanently connected and I keep a close watch to see that the batteries never drop below 11.5 volts.
These batteries have had a lot of use and are in thier 3rd year with no sign of dying.
When they do die I will replace them with 2 Century flooded Marine Batteries as I think they will be more suited to my type of use. AGM’s are good and I have a 5 year old Fullriver in my caravan but most AGM’s aren't warranted for the tempuratures under my bonnet.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2012 at 22:20

Tuesday, Jun 19, 2012 at 22:20
Forgot to mention I run a 40 litre Engel and a Waeco CF 40 in the back of the Troopy with 2 x 130 Watt Solar Panels on top.
The caravan is supplied from the Troopy via a DC/DC battery charger.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 20, 2012 at 07:38

Wednesday, Jun 20, 2012 at 07:38
Yes, heat will affect Gel and AGM batteries if mounted under the bonnet.

An AGM deep cycle battery is still the best choice for running a fridge, etc. and the best place for the battery is in the rear of your wagon.

Derek Bester from Sidewinder has a great solution which I employed.
For $395 you can purchase a "Flyer" which is a box to contain a battery up to 120Ah, plus the cable's, etc to connect to the starting battery. The Flyer has a built-in isolator to keep the two batteries separated from each other, but maintains the ability for charging by the vehicle alternator.
The Flyer also has a status display and a secure 12v plug to connect the fridge.

One other addition to consider is a low voltage cutout device also available from Derek. This will stop the auxiliary from being irriversably drained by the Engel as the voltage drops below a certain level.

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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 20, 2012 at 08:48

Wednesday, Jun 20, 2012 at 08:48
Skip the Allrounder, but the Exide Extreme or a Century Overlander are good choices.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Wednesday, Jun 20, 2012 at 15:58

Wednesday, Jun 20, 2012 at 15:58
I bought a Century flooded deep cycle for mine about 6 months back (quite ok so far) - Century advise a void warranty for AGM's and Gels if you put them under the bonnet. Flooded is not as robust as the others it seems but I'm not into bush bashing or thrashing on corrugations.
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Reply By: Marc H1 - Thursday, Jun 21, 2012 at 06:44

Thursday, Jun 21, 2012 at 06:44
Thanks for the input everyone
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