Birth of the Holden

Submitted: Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 11:45
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This topic may not be "Off-road" although plenty of Holdens did so, and certainly enabled many people to Explore Oz. However this video clip from the ABC's celebration of it's 80th birthday features Laurence Hartnett discussing the birth of the Holden and, for me at least, the surprising revelation that it was not "all Aussie" but wholly American in design.

See the video here.

The complete video of the ABC's 80th birthday bears viewing too.

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Reply By: Mikee5 - Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 12:27

Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 12:27
I took my FB Holden places where now you'have to have' a lift, big wheels and a snorkel. We got bogged and pushed, sometimes building tracks with rocks. Lost a few exhaust systems, but that added to the fun (noise). There was no internet forum to ask questions, we just went. How things change!!!
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Reply By: Ross M - Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 12:40

Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 12:40
You surely didn't believe that Holden was "Australian" did you?
When Crummydoors were introduced as the the next all Australian design way back in the 70"s most Aussies just believed it, but almost exactly the same car had been in use in Germany for 10 years prior. It wasn't our design at all. We just fitted it with locally made inferior electrics, switch gear and engine. We just used a different engine.

While many car makers look around. Oldhen has always picked the cheapest option they can get away with. Cars from Spain, Taiwan, etc etc.
Why have most Oldhens gone from the road before the Japanese cars made at the same time just start blowing tail light globes?

It doesn't matter what car they have as the next model the profits have always gone off shore to Yankee Land. The car industry we have here is just enough to stagger along and designed to bleed the country dry. They don't care about us.

PS. most companies do the same. Ford too.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 12:59

Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 12:59
Well Ross, I had believed that there was some Australian influence in the design of the first Holdens but it would appear now to be not so.

Despite your cynicism, the early Holdens did a fair job. I hammered an FJ ute around the Woomera tracks in 1954/55 until they decided that I should have a Landrover which I felt to be far inferior.

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Follow Up By: Hairy (WA) - Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 13:04

Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 13:04
So what do all the hundreds of GMH workers actually do, nothing?
I thought Holden have been building cars in Australia for years..... I thought vehicles like the ute were built in Australia for Australian conditions?
"Crummydoors" How many have been made and how long have they been produced for?.........jeez there must be a hell of a lot of stupid people in Australia!
And all those years Ive been following the V8 supercars.......I feel used!
Bugger......must of just imagined it all. LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 13:08

Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 13:08
Forgot to take his medicine today, perhaps.
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Follow Up By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 14:02

Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 14:02
I think he is saying the Aussie "Red Motor" is inferior to the German "Opel" engine of the time. Bwa ha ha ha.
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Follow Up By: Hairy (WA) - Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 14:54

Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 14:54
Yeah... those opals were a great example of German engineering excellence! LOL
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 16:21

Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 16:21
Most vehicles of the time were used to get around OZ. Austins too.
The Opal engine wasn't much either. But is basically GMH Germany, doing the same to Germans as they do to us.
The Commodore was raced around Australia and each car, to maintain reliability of the front end had all suspension replaced every night. 11 days I think and every car used every spare suspension. That is 33 sets of suspension in 11 days for 3 cars. Friend of mine worked on the vehicles, he was very disillusioned.

Peugeot also raced at the same time and suffered one flat tyre only. Its suspension lasted and didn't need replacing.
Ever seen the suspension compliance and travel on a Peugeot compared to a Commodore of the time?
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Follow Up By: GT Campers - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 10:45

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 10:45
What Holden was/is made inTaiwan, Ross? My old HQ Holden is still cruising the streets of Sydney, 13 years after I cosmetically restored it.. when it was already 25+ years old.. what was that about tail light globes?
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Reply By: Michael A (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 13:16

Sunday, Jul 01, 2012 at 13:16
From memory this documtary, Wide Open Road, does a pretty good job on the history. Keep an eye out, it is pret interesting.http://www.abc.net.au/wideopenroad/
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Monday, Jul 02, 2012 at 00:36

Monday, Jul 02, 2012 at 00:36
Try some historywith this site.


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Reply By: GT Campers - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 09:50

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 09:50
Allan B you are a legend, I had a VHS of that Quantum ABC Hartnett interview which I needed yesterday for some research into an article I'm doing... but cannot find. And you link that Quantum program... thanks!!
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 10:18

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 10:18
Glad to have helped Glenn, even if I was not aware of it. LOL
But a real legend was Sir Laurence Hartnett.


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