good manners on the road.
Submitted: Monday, Jul 02, 2012 at 21:47
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Madfisher
Sal and I just did a quick trip up to
Toowoomba and back to pick up a vehicle. One thing that impressed me going up the newel highway thru the Pillga, was trucks warning following cars of oncoming cars by giving a left blink.
What a good idea, a lot of theses trucks are very hard to see around and you have to put your nose out to have a look.
It would be wonderfull if all drivers towing large vehicles would take this up. I ran it by a policeman last night and he had not heard of it but through it was a good idea as long as people dont get confused.
Cheers Pete
Reply By: GT Campers - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 09:17
Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 09:17
This courtesy can be nice but it is also a legal and moral minefield.
I remember just the other side of Tamwroth, heading North with a mate, a track carrying half a house at about 30-40km/h flicked his indicators just before the crest of a
hill. Driver's arm came out the window, finger pointed, and I made eye contact with him in the mirror, you bewdy, I thought, he can see ahead and I can pass...
wrong
I will never forget he whites of the eyes of the car (a 1970s Toyota Crown) coming the other way as I squeezed between him and the truck mid-overtake
The truck was turning right
That was 20 years ago and one of the biggest lessons of my life
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 09:55
Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 09:55
Have to agree with you, GT - the possibilities of confusion and misunderstanding are very real.
I thought (could be wrong tho) that many years ago it was decreed illegal to use indicators for any purpose other than to signal a turn (by the vehicle doing the signalling) for just that reason. As this thread already demonstrates some people think a left flash is a good idea in a given situation, while others think a right flash would convey the same message. Surely a recipe for disaster.
Cheers,
Val
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Follow Up By: PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 22:07
Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 22:07
I wonder about this one.
I prefer to wait until I can see. There are legal and insurance dfficulties with it. Who pays for my life long full time care if I prang?
If it happens, I wait and wave to the driver with the indicators to say thanks. Or thank him on the radio.
I also will not wave others through for the same reason.
Don't take me wrong. It's good to help others and be friendly but there are risks that must be understood before blindly accepting that help.
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Reply By: mountainman - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 18:49
Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 18:49
we were heading to brissy, from albury, two car convoy.
hand held uhfs.
we were behind a semi, i called him up as i kind of know the lingo.........
we wanted to get the all clear, next thing the semi pulls out, and tries to overtake the semi infront. didnt know of the other.
HOLY CRAP...... he got back in and i never tried doing that again.
misunderstanding is soo easy, he could have been driving 8hrs, and missread my message, or understand it.
we do use the uhfs in convoy to overtake though, yup a car could come off a side road, but we use it on the dirt mostly, try and keep the speed up, or dust, rocks down when passing.
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Follow Up By: Andrew & Jen - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 19:22
Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 19:22
At sea, there is are instances of what are called "radar assisted collisions", where one ship, having seen another on the radar on a collision course, THINKS it is conversing with it on the radio where in fact a different ship is answering. They agree to a certain course of action and start implementing it, only to find that the other ship they thought they were talking to either carries on as before or sometimes even worse, turns into danger.
Given that ships maneouvering at sea are about as agile as tortoises mating, collisions often result!
Fortunately there is now a system called AIS where each ship regularly transmitts a signal on VHF giving its position, course, speed and rate of turn, etc and so instead of just a blip on the radar, there is now this information overlayed on the radar and hence more certainty about who you are talking with.
Clearly, with vehicles this is a long way off, if ever.
Cheers
Andrew
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Follow Up By: PJR (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 09:20
Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 09:20
Having used radios for decades I am familiar with the problem so I always use something off the truck to help make contact and to be sure that I am talking to the correct one. Maybe a company name or the type of load etc. Anything that I think is unique and that he is aware of. Number plates are no good. They often change trailers.
I used to do a shuttle run to Tarcutta of a weekend to help ends meet. Then swap trailers with a truck from
Melbourne and straight back
home.
I know some of the language as
well but I don't use it much. It doesn't hurt to let them know you are not a "truckie". Using too much and making a mistake can make you look like a real tool.
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Reply By: Les - PK Ranger - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 19:02
Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 19:02
Yep have to agree it is a practice that could work, but with no 'rules' as such, it is fraught with danger.
If I come out of a corner to a nice straight clear stretch of road, and there is a car behind wanting to overtake, I have generally thought it ok to give 2 blinks on the right to let them know it's safe to stick their nose out and have a look.
Pity a system can't be established . . . normal daylight isn't too bad to rely on good ol' drivers vision, but have you ever been stuck behind a truck doing 80 on the blacktop in light to moderate rain ?
The road spray is absolutely impossible to see through, even if all vehicles are sensible and have their headlights on.
I have used, and seen others using, indicators at night too, as a warning for roos.
One left or right blink to warn a car behind where the animal is.
At night I expect this might be less of a danger, because it is generally far easier overtaking at night.
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Reply By: mountainman - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 21:17
Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 21:17
i would never reccomend using indicators other than that of what your doing.
and the usual truck flashing you "in the clear"
too many different meanings, some think roos, ok to pass and so on.
this is the unknown language, does the other driver know what you mean.
are they thinking straight? do they have the power to overtake?, and have some in reserve in an emergency, to really get moving.
i dont, i just wait it out, yup sometimes we all lose it about the time thing, soo much in a hurry but what is 5mins, or half an hour to the average lifespan 80?
wait untill it is safe to overtake.
they catch you at the next town anyway, or traffic lights.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 21:31
Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 21:31
I agree in part with what you are saying, but the piont of my thread was truckies warning of approaching vehicles, which I could not see. I was pulling out to overtake when he gave me a left blink, and I knew straight away that was a warning to stay put.
Cheers Pete
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