Help-Advice Needed Re Wiring Diagram

I need to wire up my 4WD vehicle for towing a caravan and was wondering how to go about it when I came across a 4WD in my travels with a towing plug/s setup that looked just the ducks guts for my requirements.

I waited awhile for the owner to return to find out what 'secret stuff' they had used etc etc, however they didn't return by the time I had to leave , so I took a picture of it for future reference..



Problem now is that I can't make head nor tail of whats what and where all the wires go.

Is there somewhere I can get a wiring diagram for this setup, or perhaps someone can advise on it.

Thanks in advance

DD
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 19:51

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 19:51
Looks like those wires below are utilising the flux enhancement or "corona effect" of electricity which emanates around the cut ends of wires and works kind of like bluetooth except that it tramnsmits DC not comms. The 7 pin plug is angled carefully so that it will "well" electricity and allow it to add to the corona effect of the other wires. Let me know if you sus it out I am keen to enhance my connections in a like manner.
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Follow Up By: Dust-Devil - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 19:58

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 19:58
Mr Bonz

I have absolutely no idea about the intricacies of electrical engineering and can't help you with those things you mentioned, I just need a simple wiring diagram so I know where all the wires go.

Next door neighbour thinks they are available with numbers and colours showing what goes where type of thing.
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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 21:17

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 21:17
Gday DD and Bonz
DD, to get the rite "corona ' effect, you need to have the plug or recepticle at 45 deg not 43 deg as Bonz has led you to believe. The slightly higher degree will give a better magnetic field and allow the electricity to flow easier or more freely as us in the business would say.The fiction of the electricity in the copper pipes will slow the flow at 43 deg so much you will need to go up to 24 volts to make the LED 's to light. I realy don't think that Bonz bloke knows what he is on about with electricity and the way it flows through the pipes.

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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 20:11

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 20:11
DD nice cast but anyone who thinks that setup is "the ducks guts" needs to go to an auto elect ;-))
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Follow Up By: Member - wicket - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 12:25

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 12:25
looks more like the dog's breakfast
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 20:27

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 20:27
You'll find a useful article on trailer wiring and connectors here on Exploroz.

Not too sure what your photo is showing, but there seem to be a lot of wires going nowhere. I assume the big plug housing is a standard heavy duty connector. Check out the above link.

I don't always agree with Crackles, but.....

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Follow Up By: Dust-Devil - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 20:35

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 20:35
Thank you for that.

If I see this vehicle again I'll have another go at talking to the owner .
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 21:01

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 21:01
Waste of time..........
It's doubtful that the owner speaks any form of coherent english.

That mess is really scary..... read the earlier thread on vehicle/rooftop fire.

Go with John and Crackle's advice.

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 21:17

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 21:17
Pretty sure he does Allan, but it is a bit of a mess
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Reply By: Dust-Devil - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 00:02

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 00:02
Everybody

Well! from the above I have drawn the following two assumptions

(1) I have not blundered upon a lost 'Renoir' of the autoelec world, and
(2) I really should consult a Auto Electrician.

Thank you all for your advice but one thing that still has me tricked is how that bracket thingy has to be at a precise angle to obtain what you call the 'corona effect flow'. What is that by the way and do you really have to have it. I'll ask the Auto Electrician and see what he has to say.

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 16:38

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 16:38
Not a Renoir, but a Ren-wire I think.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 07:24

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 07:24
DD,

Don't worry about the Corona Effect mate, Bonz is "having a lend of you".

The flat connector on the left is an Anderson connector of 50 amp rating and is the most common form of getting a heavy duty circuit to your caravan to charge remote batteries of the run.
This circuit is connected to the starting battery and protected by a fuse but requires heavy cable to limit voltage drop.

If you are not familiar with 12v electics your best bet is to visit and auto electrician and tell him what you wish to achieve.

As has been said, there is an excellent description of wiring up a vehicle in the articles
section, or click on the reference at the top right of your post.

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 07:26

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 07:26
Whoops, I notice no reference appears.

Click on this Vehicle Electrics

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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 11:30

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 11:30
Dusty, you have been around here long enough to realise that there are some, and me sometimes included, who practice their sense of humour on others! Bonz and Muzbry are off in their own pseudoscientific orbit wearing "coronas" and having fun. Just ignore them.....it has nothing to do with "coronas and flux enhancement".

That wiring you photographed has actually been installed using the technique of random systemisation using autodynamics and Lorentz transformations.

Hope that helps.

PS. A "corona" is actually a bunch of tobacco leaves that you put in your mouth and set fire to.

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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 12:12

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 12:12
Gday Allan
Or mexican beer,,
I think i can say that Bonz and I stand by our explanation of the problem DD has.

DD. I think you and bonz and I are going to have to sit and work this out over a glass or two of Mull wine.



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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 16:43

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 16:43
This is the corona I was mentioning:

In electricity, a corona discharge is an electrical discharge brought on by the ionization of a fluid surrounding a conductor that is electrically energized. The discharge will occur when the strength (potential gradient) of the electric field around the conductor is high enough to form a conductive region, but not high enough to cause electrical breakdown or arcing to nearby objects. It is often seen as a bluish (or other color) glow in the air adjacent to pointed metal conductors carrying voltages. Spontaneous corona discharges are undesirable where they waste power in voltage systems or where the high chemical activity in a corona discharge creates objectionable or hazardous compounds, such as ozone.

hence the bluetooth effect surroudning the wire ends
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Follow Up By: Dust-Devil - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 18:10

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 18:10
I don't understand a word or that, but is that bluetooth effect you mention something like a phone.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 18:29

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 18:29
Stop it Bonz, you'll drive DD mad!!!!

Knowledge is knowing what a corona is; Wisdom is not lifting it verbatim from Wkipedia. lol

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 20:49

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 20:49
Thats correct Allan, corona is the effect of ionising the air around the end of a cble that makes the air semi conductive. Its also difficult to see, and yes I know not to use it in a salad
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:45

Thursday, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:45
Hi Allan,

I think Bonz and Muzbry are not wearing coronas so much as smoking them and I don't think there is much tobacco in them either. LOL.

Certainly off with the pixies I think. LOL
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Reply By: Clive Pnz - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 16:37

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 16:37
Giday, DD
Yep the flat plug is indeed an anderson plug and the round one is a 7 pin plug to operate the trailer systems. The rest looks positively dangerous..... do not try to copy it (or talk to the owner if he did it) It may be only 12 or 24 volts but it can still catch fire if short circuited Find a good Auto electrician.
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Follow Up By: Dust-Devil - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 18:13

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 18:13
Clive

Thanks for answering. All I wanted was a wiring diagram and now my head is spinning.

Will do as you and others suggested and have a chat with a Auto Electrician specialist as I can't tell whether that corona bluetooth angle thing they are talking about is on my vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 18:31

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 18:31
Now who is pulling whose chain?

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Reply By: Rosss- Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 21:23

Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 21:23
I think you guys have got it all wrong, the voltage of the corona depends on the angle of the HEXICLE JACK SHAFT in the alternator
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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:51

Thursday, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:51
Hi DD,

I have one of those large trailer plugs you are looking for on my desks here beside me.

I got it off ebay as a plug and socket. Can't remember whether they came as a unit or I bought then seperately.

Large Trailer Socket

Large Trailer Plug

As I recall I got them from that mob as well

I assume that was what you wanted to know.

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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 05, 2012 at 13:08

Thursday, Jul 05, 2012 at 13:08
Just occured to me you may need the wiring configuration as well.

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Note that this is for the utilux 12 pin flat plug but the first 7 locations are what you need I guess.

The large plug and socket are numbered as well so it is straight forward.
Stick to this standard coding and you can't go wrong.

If you need any further advice don't hesitate to ask.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 05, 2012 at 13:32

Thursday, Jul 05, 2012 at 13:32
I noticed the pic is a little obscure so I am adding the following

Trailer Plug Wiring Code

1 Left Turn Signal Yellow

2 Reverse Lights Black

3 Earth Return White

4 Right Turn Signal Green

5 Electric Brake Wire Blue

6 Stop Lights Red

7 Tail Lights Brown

Note this applies to both the socket and plug as they are numbered correspondingly.

It is best to wire AUX power to the van via an Anderson type plug as a greater current can be supplied that way.

In some instances the reverse connector is used to power the 12 volt aux supply to the van fridge when moving if reverse lights are not fitted. This is a poor solution as reverse lights are required on some trailers so the socket becomes a one trick pony as it were.

Hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: Dust-Devil - Friday, Jul 06, 2012 at 11:55

Friday, Jul 06, 2012 at 11:55
Bruce

Thanks for that, just wish you had been the first to reply.

An Auto Electrician checked it out this morning and I'll place his advice as a new Reply below.

DD
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Reply By: Dust-Devil - Friday, Jul 06, 2012 at 12:16

Friday, Jul 06, 2012 at 12:16
Had a Auto Electrician look at my vehicle and that picture I posted this morning.

He said he had never seen a setup quite like it and double checked with his guys in the workshop. He said it was pretty agricultural and most probably done by a farmer who uses fencing wire to keep stuff together. Also the picture was no help either.

Anyway after looking at the vehicle he said he could set it up for towing with pretty much the same plugs in the picture for $350.

Also asked him about that corona and blue flare thing and showed him what was said about it. He just said he would fix that as well.

$350 sounded pretty good to me so booked it in for next week.

Thanks again

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Friday, Jul 06, 2012 at 13:09

Friday, Jul 06, 2012 at 13:09
Hi DD,

Forget that crap about coronas and blue tooth and blue flares, the guys were having a giggle like a couple of school girls. Either that or they were on the whacky weed.

They were actually having a shot at the rough wiring job.

The large plugs are often fitted to large trailers and were all the go for trucks years ago, may still be the case today, I am unsure.. Definitely used in agriculture but that is only due to their robustness.

They mainly come in die cast but I have also seen them black in plastic, even on ebay.

If you are happy with that quote then all is well. You will be happy with the outcome and lack of worry in the knowledge that it was proffessionally done.

I use the Narve or Utilux 7 pin flat plug as they are the most common these days on caravans. That way I can hook on to anybodys van if they are in trouble out on the road and anybody could likewise get me out of trouble should the need arise. The large round ones are not common these days.

Happy to help DD.

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Jul 07, 2012 at 10:43

Saturday, Jul 07, 2012 at 10:43
$350 is cheap to sort out those corona problems DD and if he sorts out your connections too then youre on a winner
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