HZJ78R
Submitted: Friday, Jul 27, 2012 at 19:35
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Old dog
G'day guys, just found a Troopie HZJ78R just down the road from where I live in
Launceston (it's only 80mins away) I know I was talking 100 series wagon but this has 155,000 k on it and looks good on the net at least. We are going tomorrow for a good look, this guy sounds like a real honest country boy and wants $27,500 for it. It has bull bar, outback roller draws, long range tank (180 liters), roof rack and tow bar, it's 2001.
Question: what do you guys think? What do you reckon it's worth? What are they like?
Reply By: madfisher - Friday, Jul 27, 2012 at 22:28
Friday, Jul 27, 2012 at 22:28
Mate jump on car sales. com then go to valuations, put in the model and it will give you tradein valuations plus private sale valuations.
Soundfs good to me if it has a good service history.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 07:54
Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 07:54
Thanks for the good advise mate, never thought it would be so easy to find that out. Will do.
Enjoy, old dog
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 08:43
Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 08:43
Not far away mate, I just travelled 900ks one way to pick up a pristine 03 Jack se, but I wanted a white 03 SE man with B/bar and low ks, once you get that picky you have to be prepared to travel. Only reason I wanted a man is the diff in fuel economy. plus its seems to be a very strong box.
Let us know how you go.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 14:07
Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 14:07
I just had a look myself, and it does seem a little dear, as it seems the top tradein price is about $20000. But the ks are very good, and I have found its cheaper in the long run to pay a bit extra for a good one. Offer him $25000, and be prepared to go to $26000. I think he already knows this is what its worth.
On my recently acquired Jack the asking price was to high , but he would not budge on price, so I let him stew for a few days then emailed him my top price. To my surprise they excepted it.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 16:12
Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 16:12
Thanks Pete, good advise, you wouldn't believe it but this fella wants our rig (Honda CRV) it's great because I don't have to stuff around trying to get rid of it, now it's do to who can negotiate the best. This Troopie needs tyres bad so that's $1200 to knock off the top.
Thanks again Pete
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 18:01
Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 18:01
Gee your on a winner their mate, wish I had that opputunity.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 19:14
Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 19:14
G'day Pete, I got onto the LCOOL site and one of the guys was saying that the gearboxes are a bit suss do you know anything about this? A few guys have said not to tow in 5th gear but other than that??
Any thoughts?
Old Dog
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 08:16
Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 08:16
Not towing in 5th is pretty standard fare, although I slip into 5th on long slight down
hill gradients. When I was
young I was forever replacing g/boxs and motors. Now I have not replaced either in 30 years, I wonder if it had something to do with how I drove. LOL
Mate I am not and expert on this, but the box would have been designed for the the available torque from the 1HZ, so as long as you do not turbo it I can not see a problem.
IF it goes then I would start looking for a replacement.
Good luck with it Pete
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Reply By: mountainman - Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 19:49
Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 19:49
YES i know a bit.
the NA diesels have the crap gearbox behind them.
the factory turbo have the better box behind them.
h 150/h151 are both strong boxes.
r151 are behind the petrol engines, and handle the power fine.
whats behind a Na engine dont know.
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 20:11
Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 20:11
G'day mate, do you know the fix if any for this box?
Thanks. Old Dog
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 13:59
Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 13:59
The r151 box that is behind the 1hz started life in a turbo supra, then made it intop the v6 forrunner, then the prado, and now the troupy, there is no known cure for it, but a gearbox out of astandard van 80 series will fit and no more problems.
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Reply By: mountainman - Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 20:26
Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 20:26
tried searching lcool, outerlimits.
no luck.
ring a reputable wreckers, gearbox place, even toyota dealership....... if you can find a decent guy with knowledge on them, should sort you out.
idealy the gearbox place will tell you everything you want to know, they work on them alot... as its all they do, gearboxes..
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 20:40
Saturday, Jul 28, 2012 at 20:40
Thanks mate, will do
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 08:22
Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 08:22
Old Dog,
There are two problems that will affect a 2001 HZJ78.
One is the splines on the shaft that transfers power from the gearbox to the transfer. They can strip and leave you stranded. This was identified as a problem early on and Toyota dealers warned owners of the problem (without doing a recall). A modified shaft was fitted to post 2002 models and can be retrofitted at a modest cost. The modified shafts are readily available from aftermarket suppliers such as Don Kyatts as
well. Chances are that at 155,000k, this has been fixed already.
Second issue is the gearbox itself. It the R151F which is the small standard gearbox put behind the Hilux and early Prados. It is built for the low power/torque motors and if you resist the urge to fit a turbo you'll get a good run out of them. If you decide to upgrade the motor or fit a turbo, the gearbox cannot handle the extra torque. Rather than recondition the old boxes, it is probably better to just buy a new one - Toyota were selling them for about $2500 a few years back.
All Landcruisers with factory turbodiesel or petrol motors had the H150F or H151F boxes which were the strongest gearboxes. If you want the best model troopie, search for the 2001-2006 HDJ78R - the HDJ bit refers to the factory turbo (1HD-FTE motor). They are very hard to get hold of.
IMO $27,500 is a bit steep - spend a few more $$ and get the factory TD model.
cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 09:42
Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 09:42
G'day Phil, thanks for spending the time and letting me know this stuff. I am feeling a little hesitant right now. Better to be informed in order to make a decision though.
Thanks again.
Old Dog
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Follow Up By: ReCon - Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 14:38
Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 14:38
Phil G is spot on with his post , and is easy to decipher your tranny in the ol' girl.
As I did , put your mind at ease and look at the trans codes on the compliance plate
[thanks explore oz members for that advice :) ] , and see which box ended up in your troopy !
The price is a little high , especially as 155 thou is not really overly low. If it is a corker and has no rust, plus the interior is absolutely pristine , maybe throw a 24-25k offer in and see what happens. Note , the troopy must be exceptional to pay these sort of $$$.
Performance wise , just make sure all your trips allow plenty of time to arrive at your destination, as you will need it. Upside is that you generally see much more than most other 4wd owners! :P
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Follow Up By: ReCon - Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 14:38
Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 14:38
Phil G is spot on with his post , and is easy to decipher your tranny in the ol' girl.
As I did , put your mind at ease and look at the trans codes on the compliance plate
[thanks explore oz members for that advice :) ] , and see which box ended up in your troopy !
The price is a little high , especially as 155 thou is not really overly low. If it is a corker and has no rust, plus the interior is absolutely pristine , maybe throw a 24-25k offer in and see what happens. Note , the troopy must be exceptional to pay these sort of $$$.
Performance wise , just make sure all your trips allow plenty of time to arrive at your destination, as you will need it. Upside is that you generally see much more than most other 4wd owners! :P
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 18:40
Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 18:40
G'day mate, two things, what kind of numbers am I looking for on the compliance plate??
Secondly, it is in really good nick and we have negotiated and he's come down to 25,0000.
Thanks ReCon, keen to hear what to look for.
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 19:00
Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 19:00
Me again, I think that maybe I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed; Phil told me the numbers of different gearboxes in his advice, so I'm supposing that these are the numbers on the compliance plate I'm meant to look for? Yeah?
Thanks.
Old Dog
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Follow Up By: ReCon - Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 21:24
Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 21:24
Try this pdf Old Dog!
Not sure of compatibility as I use a Mac and am also a bit of a Dill , so hopefully it will work!
Codes will be like J 08 7 ect. The chart will give you the heads up.
Toyota Differential ID Codes.htm
Once you get the code , just google it and it will give you the tranny. This is the slow way , but it worked for me and gave the info of what's inside , ratios ect…
Good Luck with the compatibility of my pasting effort. :)
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 21:44
Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 21:44
Thanks ReCon, I use a Mac too can't see a PDF file though. I'll get the info on Tuesday when I meet this guy again an Google it for sure. Thanks for your help mate.
Just a quick one, I'm really thankful for all you blokes who have responded, really nice to know that help isn't to fat away.
Thanks.
Old Dog
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Follow Up By: ReCon - Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 22:06
Sunday, Jul 29, 2012 at 22:06
OK- I tried to but found the best way eas to copy the link into google.
Then add L to the the htm [so is html]
The search engine has a link about 4 down that is toysport .com
Give that a go mate!
Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Monday, Jul 30, 2012 at 05:44
Monday, Jul 30, 2012 at 05:44
G'day mate, I'm feeling pretty dumb, I don't know what you mean, all your help and I can't use it. How about you just email me direct? stephenkeating7@bigpond.com.au
I hope I haven't broken any of the rules of this
forum.
Thanks.
Old Dlg
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Reply By: get outmore - Monday, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:47
Monday, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:47
$27,500 for an 11 year old vehicle?
tell him hes dreaming
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