Scanning Slides - What do you do?
Submitted: Monday, Aug 06, 2012 at 16:04
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Bob Y. - Qld
Hello Folks,
Have quite a few colour slides that I'd like to scan into my ever increasing My Picture file.
Did have an HP scanner that did a fair job, but it died. We bought one of those scanners off some mail order mob, and while it does the job, the results are VERY disappointing. Read in an electronic mag where a bloke had similar problems,with his scanner, and ended using a screen, and slide projector, to put up an image, which he then phtographed. Bit like running an inverter to charge a 12v item.
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The above photo, colour rendition is ordinary, and the left side of photo is poorly focused.
Have seen a couple of scanners on internet. One screws onto the 52mm lens of camera, and a photo taken. Cost $115. The others actually scan the slide, and transport it to PC via USB. They're $400 & $700.
Anyone got any other methods they'd like to share.
Thanks,
Bob.
Reply By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Aug 06, 2012 at 16:37
Monday, Aug 06, 2012 at 16:37
Hi Bob,
We rigged up a homemade "thingy" which worked a treat for the relatively few slides that we needed to scan. Found a plastic lid of the right size to just slip onto the front of the lens, (admittedly we were using a mount that came with some other lenses) cut a slide shaped hole in it and slots to hold the slide, put the camera on macro setting, point the camera at a uniform light source eg
bright overcast sky (not blue sky) - and that was it.
Some of our slides had deteriorated and we were able to correct this a bit by using our standard photo editor (XnView - free to download). We also cropped off the edges of the slide mount etc this way.
We use the cameras for most scanning tasks these days, including copying colour prints - easier than a scanner and good resolution.
Cheers,
Val
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Aug 06, 2012 at 16:53
Monday, Aug 06, 2012 at 16:53
Hi Bob,
Just to give you some idea of what you can do by playing around with photo editors. Image Could Not Be Found. Of course I dont know what your original slide was like but with just a few minutes of experimenting it was possible to at least get a slightly more natural looking result.
Cheers,
Val
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Aug 06, 2012 at 22:15
Monday, Aug 06, 2012 at 22:15
This is a copy done with our "
home made" set-up from a half frame slide which was not good quality to start with. Taken at
Old Sydney Town in mid 70s, copied 2007.
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Val
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 09:10
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 09:10
Many thanks for your responses, Val.
For such a simple gadget, your "scanner" certainly does a good job. Bit time poor at the moment, to make anything, and as for a
bright, overcast sky, we are short of those too. Western Qld winter has been
bright blue skies for some weeks.
Like what you did with my old slide too, shows some promise, though I don't think it was a quality film, to start with.
Bob.
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 09:45
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 09:45
Bob,
Bright overcast sky is good, but light from a lightbulb is ok too. Best to set your camera to the incandescent light setting. Flourescent lighting isn't so good because the flourescent "white" is in fact usually too green,
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Wednesday, Aug 08, 2012 at 07:49
Wednesday, Aug 08, 2012 at 07:49
Thanks for advice re lighting,
John.
Didn't know about flouro lights, so that's a plus. No chance of overcast weather in
Winton today, clear, blue sky, that comes down to your feet.
Thanks,
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Reply By: Member - Phil 'n Jill (WA) - Monday, Aug 06, 2012 at 16:45
Monday, Aug 06, 2012 at 16:45
Hi Bob - I think the quality of the outcome depends on the quality of Slide.
I purchased a very economical 'QPix' digital scanner from Officeworks and scanned my slides and negatives (4 at a time) with mixed results - but those in good condition are great in reproduction.
Keep in mind that batches of Kodak negs were quite varied in colour back in the 70's - some varied from emphasis on reds to greens - I figure depending on how often the solutions were changed - bit like changing the cooking oil for fish 'n chips I guess.
The product came with little in the way of instruction, but after a bit of experimentation, I found the gadget quite useful.
Have over a hundred odd scans turning over on the screen saver these days and quite enjoy them.
Your
pic appears to be on Carlton or Ivanhoe - if that is Carlton
Hill in the background. Great country.
Good luck.
Regards - Phil
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 09:21
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 09:21
Judging by the slides I've viewed recently, I may have some varied results, Phil. Always preferred Kodak film, but sometimes ventured into some lesser quality stuff.
At this stage, really only want to digitise everything, then work from there, with the better ones, or the ones have real "value". Can remember the often artifical colours of some Kodak stuff, but they seem to have stood up better than other brands.
Well, you're nearly right about the photo, Phil. Would have been on Auvergne Station, either 72 or 73. Think it's over near the West Baines River, that's why the cattle are so quiet. Anywhere else, and any photos of cattle usually consisted of a cloud of rapidly moving dust, heading off through the timber!!!
Thanks for you suggestions,
Bob.
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Reply By: Gnomey - Monday, Aug 06, 2012 at 19:40
Monday, Aug 06, 2012 at 19:40
G'day Bob
I too had/have a bunch of slides to digitise. Did a lot of research and a fair bit of head scratching. Forgetting the top end dedicated slide scanners, most of which aren't made any more, there is still a lot of difference between the bottom end and the middle of the range in price and quality.
There ain't no cheap and easy way to get slashing scans in no time at all. What you need depends on the end quality of the files you want and what you want to do with them. If you just want digital copies you can store and maybe print small versions of, then a basic scanner or multifunction device will do. At the other end of the scale if you want poster size prints then you need a high resolution and high quality flat bed scanner built with photography as a primary rather than incidental concern.
The quality of the outcome will also depend on a bunch of other things like careful setup of each scan, the quality of the scanning software and how much time you are prepared to spend with post scan processing.
FWIW I decided 1) to be very discerning in what I chose to scan 2) to scan at medium/high resolution and 3) to get the best of bunch, the one or two in a roll of film shots, scanned professionally as and when I wanted to print biggies.
With all that in mind I chose an Epson V600, used the proprietary scanning software and Lightroom to post process and manage the files. Your mileage may vary. Managing the files as a database is an important part of the deal. Otherwise you get a large digital mess that is a copy of the analogue jumble.
Cheers
Mark
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 09:44
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 09:44
Thanks for your detailed thoughts, Mark.
Mainly want an easily accessible record at the moment, and then work on the "keepers" at a later date. Though I'm supposed to be retired, am not at
home enough at moment, to devote the time to this. Too many other projects, or more correctly, distractions.
There's a place in
Perth that gives about 4 levels of scanning, including slide cleaning on their top line scans. Might be the way with the keepers.
Bob.
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Reply By: Polaris - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 08:23
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 08:23
Hi Bob Y.
WE use a CanoScan 8800F and achieve great results with mounted 35mm (or half frame) slides, negative filmstrip or any printed images.
Have a look at the
Canon site
It comes with Included Accessories and Software
• USB cable (USB 2.0 Hi-Speed certified type) • AC adaptor • Film guide for 35mm filmstrip • Film guide for 35mm mounted slides • Film guide for 120 roll film • CD-ROM (includes ScanGear CS 10.2, CanoScan Toolbox 4.8, Adobe Acrobat Reader 5.0, and Scanning Guide for Windows and Macintosh; ArcSoft PhotoStudio 5.5, ScanSoft OmniPage SE, and other software for Windows; ArcSoft PhotoStudio 4.3, ScanSoft OmniPage SE 1.0 for Macintosh)
I also have commercially available screw on lens adapters for mounting slides directly in front of digital SLR's - and went to the trouble of constructing a number of different light sources. The results were of varied success, but the Canoscan results are consistently good. Highly recommended.
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Follow Up By: Polaris - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 08:32
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 08:32
PS. Bob, I think that our 8800F is now superceeded and replaced by the CS9000F.
CS9000F linkShop around - you will do better than the Canon advertised price.
Polaris in FNQ
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:00
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:00
Thanks Polaris,
As I've been typing these follow-ups, have remembered all my film strips too, so something like the Canon might be the go. Many of our old photos have deteriorated to some extent, so a chance to improve them too, would be good.
Yeah, wil have to do some research, as most of our purchases are mail order. All food for thought,
Bob.
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Reply By: Brett H - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 13:53
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 13:53
Hi Bob,
I went down this path a couple of years ago and ended up buying a Nikon Coolscan 5000 scanner from the US with a slide feeder. Reason was that I wanted to scan
mine and my dads old slides which add up to around 2500 slides. Buying a scanner that just holds a few of slides was never going to do it (time wise) and getting someone to scan them was going to cost close to the cost of bringing the scanner in.
I now have them all done and will be doing some friends slides soon.
How many slides do you want scanned? This will determine what path you go down. If its not a lot then the canon mentioned earlier will fit the bill. It holds 4 at a time and does the dust and scratch removal. Not sure though if it will restore faded slides though. Some have software that do and some don't.
Some of my scanned slides can be viewed here:
http://bretthampson.smugmug.com/Slidescanning
The old navy ones are from the early 60's I believe and are kodachrome. Dust and scratch removal doesn't work as
well for kodachrome and they need to be treated a little different by the software. So that would be another thing to
check on the scanner if you have kodachrome slides. If you could see what those slides looked like originally you would be amazed at the difference.
Brett
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Wednesday, Aug 08, 2012 at 08:02
Wednesday, Aug 08, 2012 at 08:02
Checked out a lot of your slides, Brett, they came out pretty good.
Especially liked the Blue Mountains(old
home country) and the NT trip ones.
Sounds like a scanner is the go, though not sure just how many slides I have. Probably no more than 1,000, or even less. We'll see how we go.
Thanks,
Bob.
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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 15:38
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 15:38
Hi Bob,
Jaycar have some film scanners which are usb gizmos.
They are $45 at the moment
Jaycar scanner
I have seen one recently for around $140 but I cannot remember where it was. It was in a flyer that I had but have since sent to the rubbish bin
They have another unit there also which is dearer.
Cannot give any advice on these units as I have not used them.
Like others I have a cannon D 1250 U2F flatbed with slide facility which cost over $300 many years ago.
Cheers, Bruce.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 15:48
Tuesday, Aug 07, 2012 at 15:48
I went back and had a further look at the other scanner that Jaycar have which is
$129. I thought it was much dearer for some reason.???
My prefference would be this dearer scanner as it has many more features like storing your slides direct to a memory card if you are not connected to a computer or directly into the computer when connected, if you wish.
It suggests you can store directly to memory card without being connected to a computer. Handy feature especially if someone else wants you to convert some of their images to digital and they do not have a computer handy.
See here
Jaycar $129 USB scanner
Cheers, Bruce.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Wednesday, Aug 08, 2012 at 08:08
Wednesday, Aug 08, 2012 at 08:08
I'm one of Jaycar's valued customers too, Bruce!!! Ha ha.
Will have to
check these out. As yet undecided as to which way to go. Something for a rainy day, so that gives me 3 - 4 months to think about it.
Have to go back to work today, so any further investigation will have to wait another 10 days.
Thanks,
Bob.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Wednesday, Aug 08, 2012 at 08:15
Wednesday, Aug 08, 2012 at 08:15
Everyone,
Many thanks for the valuable replies & follow-ups, to my post.
There's so much info here now I might have to print the thread out, and reflect on it at my leisure. Thanks for all your thougths, suggestions, and the photos. Especially the photos. There is so much talent within the EO family!!!
I am off this morning, for next 10 days, to drive Garry the
Grader around some beautiful Diamantina country, so will be without phone and internet for that time. Except for the Irridium, to ring the Bride every few days.
Stay safe,
Bob.
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Reply By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Aug 08, 2012 at 13:15
Wednesday, Aug 08, 2012 at 13:15
While there may be many "proper things" to do slide scans, there is absolutly nothing wrong with setting up a projector and photgraphing the image.
There are "propper things" to do film to video conversions, but I know several people who do these professinally ( some major production companies) and they video the image off a screen.
I have done quite a few 16mm to video coppies myself and have had blokes from up the
hill ( commercial television stations) comment that I got better results than their multithousand dollar "propper things"
here are the tricks.
A good quality
bright projector helps
a dark room, pitch black not needed
a reasonable sized screen that is clean and white about 2 feet by a foot and a half is good.....plain white paper or a clean white bed sheet works better than a high gain screen..or simply a flat wall painted mat white.
set up an focus the projector
well and absolutly square on.
set up the camera on a tripod, as close as possible to the line of projection and with the lenses level or the camera slightly forward and frame it up accurately.
white ballance with blank film or an empty slide
Done
well the results can be exceptional.
one reason is that you are working with large images and not trying to scan an image that is 20mm x 30mm.
For many of us this will cost diddly squat.
I know a couple of duplicating houses that had these permanently set up under the stairs or in a cupboard
cheers
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