Trying out new things

Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 22, 2012 at 20:04
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Hi guys

Recently back from another outback loop , this being the first time I have really let our newish auto 4800 Patrol go beyond the city lights and we were determined to try out lots of new things.

Not all worked , but it really is good sometimes to re-evaluate things and just try something new.

Am wondering if others have been surprized by just trying something new and finding it worked better than expected.

We also took a new petrol 200kw Prado and a the new 550nm 3lt V6 diesel Navara so we had 3 near new cars to compare.

The Patrol did seem to have the edge but overall there wasn't much in it and apart from some cosmetic damage to the other cars this edge could have been simply because loaded for bear and even with 250lt of fuel, people and all supplies for 2 weeks no shops , the car still only came in at 2900kg.

Our trip was hard in places as we had to do some cross country mogul driving up around the Madigan line before dropping down for a bit of a Simpson run and then around to Santa Terrsa where much embrassment was had by
almost got bogged on the main road in a super soft bulldust hole.

(Noting another current thread - whilst in the Simpson we called on UHF 10 every 2-3km to warn others and keeping our own chatter to our private channels, this along with a flag seemed to stop most surprizes)

We then had to do the tourist thing and give the girls a climb up the big rock and went through the very scenic Boggy hole track a a few others before running for Melbourne.

Near home a cold front had come through so a quick flick of the wheel east then saw us into the snow to make quite a contrast to the previous 2 weeks which were nothing but sunshine.

Some things we tried for the first time were -


1/ Auto Goop paint on scratch resistant film and we give this a big thumbs up.



2/ 2 of the cars had new Copper ST Maxx tyres and I think it was Jeff at Mt Dare who said they have never had so many side walls punctures since Copper and others put big lugs on the side to catch sticks.
We were blessing him when after only 500m into a burnt out cross country section we staked one.
For not the first time the Tyredogs warned us and all was well and we never took another hit and were quite happy we had these strong tyres during the many later rocky bits.
After this 7000km run we give the ST Maxx the thumbs up also.



3/ One of the guys took a swent (half swag and half tent - I think its already on Ebay.)



4/ I made a car bra out of 70% shade cloth and this worked well to keep out Spinefex which seemed more abundant than usual.
It also worked well in 1/2 meter deep water crossings as well.
This was interesting as the Navaras weak underguard broke under the force of hitting the water whereas the shadecloth had less resistance - (worth investigating further)



5/ Not a fan of the extra complexity and issues of having an auto in our Patrols but overall the petrol use was on a par with our manual 4800 Patrol (16.5lt/100km) thanks to long stretches of highway.

However the Prado was a laugh as one morning the keys were left in a swag which was tied to the roof and this new keyless system allows you to start the car and drive off a little before it squeals and turns off the engine whereupon a hunt for the keys ensures.


Well thats all I can think of for now , except when we arrived home the kids were trying to fit a 4inch dump pipe and huge turbo to our test bed 4800 petrol Patrol claiming 1000nm no sweat.

Just maybe trying out some new things isn't such a good idea.
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Reply By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 22, 2012 at 20:34

Wednesday, Aug 22, 2012 at 20:34
Gday Robin
Sounds like a good time was had . I like the 1000 nm's . That would go well in the old Nissan of mine.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Aug 22, 2012 at 20:40

Wednesday, Aug 22, 2012 at 20:40
I think they are dreaming Muz - although one does exist- but at least they can play without blowing up our daily drivers now !
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Reply By: The Explorer - Wednesday, Aug 22, 2012 at 23:47

Wednesday, Aug 22, 2012 at 23:47
"However the Prado was a laugh..."

He He ...had to be dropped in there somewhere, good work (thank Christ the Prado didnt fall over hitting the cold front :)

Good trip.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 08:11

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 08:11
It was a great car Greg , but this no key start really did cause some laughs with owner up on the roof rack trying to find the key with the engine running.

Apparantly it happens a bit - I was lead to believe that he has left keys in bedroom which is only a few meters away and reversed out the driveway onto the road then the car has shut down - don't know the ins and outs of this maybe some owners of keyless start cars can help out here.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:56

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:56
That's interesting. I have a 200 with keyless start and think it is the ant's pants. Mine won't start unless the key is well and truely inside the vehicle. I have tried it many times. Also once it starts, it will beep at you, but you could drive it across Australia if you wanted. One Lcool member drove Sydney to Canberra without a key from memory.

While it is funny in the beginning to get used to, It is a great system once you get used to it. When camping you can clip it to your belt and you can't lose it unless you lose your pants. :-)
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 13:03

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 13:03
Hi Again BooBook

Sounds like your a happy customer.

I don't know the details of its operation , but I believe the new basic 200 series does not use the keyless system.

Do you think their is some operational reason , maybe lots of mining vehicles close together with many drivers and keys, or do you think it is not used simply to cut costs ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 14:04

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 14:04
Dunno, probably a combination of things. I doubt farmers would like it, and it may have issues in an intrinsically safe type environment. Or as you say it may just be cheaper.

One thing for sure is that Toyota's features and specs are a mystery in Australia.

Eg the Sahara has all the electronics for auto headlights except the $0.30 switch and a $15K Yaris has auto dip headlights but a $110K LC designed with towing in mind doesn't.

Go figure.
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Follow Up By: Member - DingoBlue(WA) - Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:13

Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:13
Just as an aside fellows,
I recently bought two keys for my 100 series (approx $50.00 each) as when I purchased the vehicle it only had one key. I took them to a Toyota dealer to have them programmed and they advised me that I only had a Valet key and not the Master key so they couldn't programme my new keys.
I was told that I needed to buy two electronic gizmos which would cost me $1,200.00 and allow about $300.00 for fitting. Total $1500.00 for two keys!
I rang the local local locksmith who advised that he could programme the keys while I waited. I took the car around there and within 20 mins both keys were programmed - cost $90.00.
I asked him why Toyota couldn't do what he had just done and he said "they can, they have the same equipment that I just used"
Toyota's performance left a pretty sour taste in my mouth. A pity, because they are a great vehicle.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 09:14

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 09:14
Robin,

Always read your threads with some interest, as you are often travelling to places where we haven't been yet, nor, in some cases, are unlikely to get to.

You mentioned the Patrol had 250L of petrol on board. Surely you mean 177.75 Kgs, and the 250L was just a typo....?

Keep the travelling, and the stories going,

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil 'n Jill (WA) - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 09:28

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 09:28
Yes Bob - Robin is usually up to something different - always a great read.

Better than the comparos in the glossy mags....

Cheers all - Phil
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:59

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:59
Well written as usual Robin. Did you do the whole Madigan or turn down the Hay river track? 250L of fuel is not to bad.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:55

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:55
Hi BooBook

I may have mislead you as my note isn't a trip report.

My intention this year was to fill in some gaps in our Madigan line full crossing of last year.

We drove the lower route from Madigan camp 1A below aboriginal land via the "crossing" and down some station bits and the lower Colson track coming out at the french line/Colson crossing.

I hope to write something about this soon as our interntion was to pioneer a new trip.

We used approx 160 of our 250lt on the 670km trip section or roughly 24lt/00km
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 14:06

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 14:06
Oh, Ok got it.


I think your Petrol 4.8 gets about the same as my 4.5 Diesel in those conditions:-)

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Reply By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 17:02

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 17:02
hi Robin,
glad to see you made the return trip ok.
will get an update from you at a later date
we
go into perth for the weekend
heading south now and hit the half way mark( day 50) today.alresady clocked up 12500 troulble free clicks
WA is windy and not hot.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 07:45

Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 07:45
I'm so jealous Howard - but now that I'm semi retired I am getting away more.

Another 50 days to go for you - all the best.
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Reply By: Rockape - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 18:23

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 18:23
Robin,
good story all you have to do now is open that other eye to different vehicles. LOL.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 20:14

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 20:14
Robin,
I have just asked a mate to send me some photos of the conrods of his petrol patrol when he put a big banger turbo on it. Not a pretty result.

When I get them I will post.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 07:51

Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 07:51
My method is a bit more brutal RA

I simply put vehicles up against each other no excuses.

If one is better than the other I will get it - whoevers name is on it.



I suspect we will be in the market for conrods soon - love to see a picky.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 08:59

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Robin,
Hopefully he sends them. He is a rev head and has a 1300 GTI motor in a Cooper S.

He hasn't raced it yet so that should be interesting. I will have another look on our other computer and see if the photos are there.

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Follow Up By: Rockape - Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 16:46

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Robin,
I have sent you the pictures of the old and new conrods plus the explanation of what transpired to your email address as they were in pdf form.

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Reply By: Member - Warrie (NSW) - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 20:01

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 20:01
Hi Robin, enjoyed your report. Have you got a pic of the car bra, and how does 70% figure, what's the other 30%? ... W
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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 06:50

Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 06:50
GdayWarrie
Robin did say it was shade mesh , so the 30% is a series of small holes.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 08:03

Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 08:03
Hi Guys

This picture may help as you can see the car thru the shadecloth.

It wraps right round, and I tried something else new as well - you can't see it properly but the shadecoth is held across the bonnet with suction caps.

This allows me to quickly pull it back to raise the bonnet.

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