Head Gasket

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 13:15
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I have a Ranger 3.0L Turbo Diesel with a blown head gasket. It has done 210,000 K's and I was wondering whether to repair it, or to put a second hand motor in it.
Does any one have any experience of the cost to repair a head gasket?

At this stage, I have not found the actual cause for the blown head gasket (eg radiator, water pump, front fan, hoses, thermostat), so there may be more than just the head.

I have had the CO2 test which confirms that it is the head gasket.

Any suggestions appreciated
Roger
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Reply By: Roughasguts - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 15:53

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 15:53
If it was my vehicle I would put a bottle of head gasket repair in it as a tempory arrangement! Drive it and keep an eye out for what actually failed before repairing the head gasket.

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Follow Up By: Tim - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 16:38

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 16:38
I did this on my prado after a broken radiator eventually led to a crack in the head or gasket. A bottle of copper solution at Cape York got me another 25000 kms before I eventually had to replace it.
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Reply By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 16:31

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 16:31
Gday
Has it blown between two cylinders or into the water jacket..

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Reply By: fisho64 - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 18:47

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 18:47
Id second the above, try Chemiweld. My ute had a cracked head (or maybe a leaking head gasket), alloy head Hilux. There were symptoms but not to bad-missing on startup, loosing a little coolant etc.
I did an oil sample and it showed up on there immediately.
Used Chemiweld exactly as per their instructions-40000km ago.
Ive done 2 samples since and the coolant (phosphorus or potassium from memory) is a complete no show.
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Follow Up By: Roger E - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 18:51

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 18:51
fisho64,
That is remarkable and has made me think again about trying some.
Thank you
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 19:39

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 19:39
certainly suprised me too. I did it as a temporary while I looked at quotes for a replacement head but its been well over 14 months now.

Its not easy to do it as per their instructions but basically its
1/ drain and flush out coolant
2/ fill with clean water
3/ add Chemiweld
4/ start up and run the engine up to a temp hotter than normal running temp, by partially blocking airflow to rad with cardboard for 20 minutes.
5/ let it cool and drop the mixture and flush with water.
6/ Add coolant and check it see if symptoms have gone.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Sunday, Aug 26, 2012 at 04:17

Sunday, Aug 26, 2012 at 04:17
on the flip side i used chemi weld on a cracked head and it didnt do a damn thing except throw chemi weld everywhere as it blew it out the overflow
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Follow Up By: howesy - Sunday, Sep 09, 2012 at 11:15

Sunday, Sep 09, 2012 at 11:15
have used chemi weld a few times over the years, seems to work on some cracks and not others but the ones where I had no sucess I used sealup solution and it worked fine. Same statement applies for sealup they seem to work on different applications
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Reply By: Roger E - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 18:49

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 18:49
Thank you all for your thoughts.

On speaking with a mate, I have decided to do the head gasket myself.

Does anyone know where I might get a service manual for this engine?
I am looking on-line and hoping to be able to download one
Roger
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 19:10

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 19:10
Roge,

I found a manual to suit a Ford Ranger, up to 2009, on quicksales.com.au

They are $14 plus postage, from a bloke in Victoria.

Dunno if they're any good? Pitstop Books in Perth don't have Ranger manuals in stock yet.

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Follow Up By: Roughasguts - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 19:10

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 19:10
But do you know what caused the failure ? If you don't fix that first you will be doing it again!.

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Follow Up By: Roger E - Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 21:42

Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 at 21:42
You are dead right, I am still to find the actual cause of the problem and this needs to be done as the first step.
Tomorrow will be fun!!
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Reply By: dandy - Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 14:41

Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 14:41
Roger, if it is running alright check the egr cooler. I had one leaking te other day. Looked like a headgasket. Tested as headgasket. This bent a conrod and cause other problems. A roe
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Follow Up By: Roger E - Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 18:22

Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 18:22
Dandy,

What is an egr cooler?

I am starting to take everything off the engine
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Reply By: get outmore - Sunday, Aug 26, 2012 at 04:19

Sunday, Aug 26, 2012 at 04:19
what makes you think its a blown head gasket?- far far far more likely to be a cracked head
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Follow Up By: Roger E - Sunday, Aug 26, 2012 at 20:21

Sunday, Aug 26, 2012 at 20:21
I guess I will find out if it is a cracked head tomorrow when it all comes off and I get the head and radiator checked
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Reply By: Roger E - Wednesday, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:51

Wednesday, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:51
Well the head is off and being pressure tested.
I am told that if it is cracked, you cannot fix it.

Any ideas on where I could purchase one, should I need to from the USA and have it shipped here. This should save hundreds of dollars
Regards,
Roger E
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Follow Up By: Roger E - Friday, Sep 07, 2012 at 06:28

Friday, Sep 07, 2012 at 06:28
I just wanted to ppost a follow up to thank you all for your help.

It looks like it was the Oil Cooler that was leaking. As the oil is under a higher pressure than the water, it makes sense that this would get oil in the water.

There is not any water in the oil.

I have all the bits now and am starting to put it all back together today.
Hope I have all the pictures right and don't forget anything.

Thank you once again
Roger
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Reply By: Roger E - Sunday, Sep 09, 2012 at 07:22

Sunday, Sep 09, 2012 at 07:22
Well,
Here I am asking for help again.

It is all back together and will not start.
One thing that I thought that it coould be is the timing belt, despite thinking that we had done this correctly.
The engine just vranks over and does not look like firing.
We did blow a fuse to the glow plugs , this does not happen now after we made sure that the bar connecting them all was not touching anything. I have chacked and they doe get power for about 5 -10 secs to the glow plugs just after you turn on the ignition.
When you first turn on the ignition, there is a whiring sound which then stops. I do not know what this is.

Does anyone have any further ideas on what it could be before I pull the front off to again check the timing belt???

Regardss,
Roger
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Follow Up By: Roger E - Friday, Sep 21, 2012 at 19:40

Friday, Sep 21, 2012 at 19:40
Dear all,

I am beginning to tear my hair out.
Have done the head gasket and put it all back together, but it does not start.
I have sprayed the stuff with the Ether in it into the air filter and it fires, then stops when it runs out of the ether mixture.

I have checked and it is getting fuel to the injectors.
It would appear that there is no signal going to the injectors to tell them to put fuel in.
It might be the crank angle senser and this is the next thing to check, but one of these will cost significant dollars.
I fail to see how I could have done this in all the things we took off to change the head gasket.

Any other ideas from someone with more experience than me would be greatly appreciated

Regards,

Roger
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Reply By: Roger E - Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 17:33

Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 17:33
Hello again,

This goes from bad to worse.

I have done everything that I could, even admitted defeat and took it to the Ford Dealer.

They are now telling me, after about $1500 that it needs a fuel pump.

This is internal to the engine and will cost so much that I am now at the point of sourcing another motor.

If anyone knows where I can get a 3.0L turbo diesel motor for a reasonable price, I would really appreciate it.

Regards,

Roger
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