2.4 TURBO DIESEL SURFS?

Submitted: Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 12:37
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So what can any one tell me about these beasty's, what problems do they have and are they similar in any way to the diesel 4 runner imported "directly" by toyota,

are parts a problem?
are parts costly?
Are parts hard to get?
What's Insurance like, compared with other t/diesel 4wd's?

seen one here in adelaide in the trader for $13'000, is that good or step?
it's an SSR-X

Thanks in advance,
Mik
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Reply By: LBJ - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 13:51

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 13:51
hi mik, 2.4 surfs are actually 2.5's. they have a slightly different bolt pattern throughout the engine. parts look similar but arnt. the main difference between the 2L and 2LT (which is the turbo) is the exaust manifold stud pattern. on the 2L they all go diagonally and on the 2LT they criss cross. i hope that makes a bit of sense!
the only real problem i know about is that the engines do heat up if your working them on the beach and turbo's sh#t themselves fairly frequently. the way to get over the turbo problem is to get it re-worked straight away and change the oil return from the turbo.( make it bigger ). parts arnt to much of a problem. most toyota dealers now have them on partfinder or parts fiche. costs are pretty normal for 4x4 stuff like usuall. insurance is a killer for some reason( dont know why) hope some of this is some help mik................
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Follow Up By: Crazy-Mik - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 14:13

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 14:13
yeah the stud pattern comment, makes sense, I'm a little bit machanically mided, rebuilt 2 bike motors, done almost all of the work on the KE70 corolla for the last 6 years, and the brother in law saw a mechanic.....

but I'll give you the address to check it out....

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/addisplay.asp?State=SA&sMsg=Search&origpage=4
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Follow Up By: Crazy-Mik - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 14:25

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 14:25
yeah the stud pattern comment, makes sense, I'm a little bit machanically mided, rebuilt 2 bike motors, done almost all of the work on the KE70 corolla for the last 6 years, and the brother in law saw a mechanic.....

but I'll give you the address to check it out....

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/addisplay.asp?State=SA&sMsg=Search&origpage=4
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Follow Up By: Crazy-Mik - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 15:33

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 15:33
when you say get hot, only when under heavy stress or normal driving?

so if in sand or hill climbing, muddy track's etc
or normal day to day driving.
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Follow Up By: LBJ - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 16:11

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 16:11
normal day to day driving seems to be ok.. hill climbing, sand work, mud tracks, etc anything that puts the turbo to hard work for more than a couple of minutes is NOT good, unless you've had it re-worked. see the problem with most i've seen is that the return oil line/hose from the turbo is way to small and turbo's like to get the oil in and out as quick as possible. now when you get the oil in nice and quick and cant get it out then you start to push oil through the turbo then through the engine and well you know what happens then! so the best way to get around it seems to be to redirect the oil return directly into the sump with a 1" return hose......................if someone else knows anything i'd like to know too!!!..........see how you go bud..
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Reply By: LBJ - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 13:52

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 13:52
arnt the SSR-X 3.0ltrs???????????????
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Follow Up By: jeff-wa - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 18:32

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 18:32
SSR-X was also 2.4l.
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Reply By: Will - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 16:23

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 16:23
like they said, they overheat and pop turbos among other things. arent these built for cold climates?
will.
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Follow Up By: LBJ - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 17:27

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 17:27
yes definately are will.......they have a cold start up system on them which is a night mare but you can disconnect it all and throw it away. the same with all polltion gear.....oh what a mess!!
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Reply By: jeff-wa - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 16:57

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 16:57
The 2.4's do have more problems than the 3.0l, however they are easy enough to solve and will probally still cost you less than a 3.0l would have, the only difference being less power in the end.
I have a 3.0l Surf and yeah if the cooling system is not 100% and kept that way you will start to get hot fully loaded with camping gear 5 adults and lot of foot flooring in 30c temps, but hey it's far and few between and if you are serious about 4wding you flush your radiator twice a year and service your fan clutch! It's not that bad now is it. However the turbo's on the 2.4s can be a problem, but there is plenty of info on the web of people replacing them with better 3rd party turbos. The beauty I've found about having an import is that there is more information and it's easier to get a hold of than if I had a genuine model. I have picture's off the net of how to get into every single part of my car, instructions on how to do all sorts of mods (turbo timers etc) and all the faults to watch out for and how to solve them are at my finger tips!
Oh yeah and just so everyone knows it *INSURANCE IS NOT EXPENSIVE ON TOYOTA SURFS OR TERRANOS!!!!!!* I have insurance through SGIO and I was scared from what everyone was saying when I bought mine. The guy at SGIO said and I quote "Parts for surf's an terranos are not a problem now days and they are not a performance car so theres no problem insuring them".
Good luck if you decide to go for the surf. Check this site out:
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Follow Up By: LBJ - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 17:31

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 17:31
if your under 25 insurance is $1200.00 through nrma. that too me is a killer!!!!!
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Follow Up By: jeff-wa - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 18:31

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 18:31
Simpe. Don't go through nrma.
I know of plenty of insurance companies that would charge $1200 for any 4by for someone under 25. Depends on your no claim bonus. My insurance was $1900 when I was 24 for a Nissan Bluebird (not an import) because I had no no claim bonus.
Shop around.
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Reply By: wizzer - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 20:13

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 20:13
Mik

Had my 93 2.4 since 1999.

Never had a prob getting parts. All filters, hoses, suspension parts etc easily available from super cheap, repco, toyota. I even bought an oil filter for it from Big W the other day.

Insurance costs me under $500 a year (30 yo). RACWA

What year ssr x are you looking at. I rekon here in WA $11000 - $13000 for a 92 - 93 model would be a fair price.

Mine has overheated a couple of times in hot conditions driving in low range on boggy beaches. I go beach driving approx twice a month so a couple times overheating in 5 yrs is pretty good i think.

I'm gunna look into that larger oil return from the turbo. Anything that makes the car run better can only be good.

wizzer
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Reply By: boof - Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 23:37

Thursday, Jan 15, 2004 at 23:37
mike,
I know of two surfs in the west that are 2L engines with turbos, that have had the cylinder head crack between the precombustion chamber and the water jacket, allowing water to get into the bore and corrode (eat out ) the bore and the head, when the problem was picked up the damage was expensive, dont know how well the vehicles were maintained but this could be a trend. they dont like hard work.
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