Grand Vitarra 2.4l V6 towing

Submitted: Monday, Sep 17, 2012 at 08:53
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Hi everyone,

Has anyone done much towing with the V6 vitara. If so, what did you tow? how much did it weigh? and how much fuel did it use?

currently looking to buy a V6 Vitarra 03 model with airbags and heavy duty rear suspension. I had read about the tow bar ball weight problem of only 75kg but have found a company in Queensland who make a tow package with a stamped ball weight of 140kg.

Any advice would be great

Cheers Sean
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Reply By: Dion - Monday, Sep 17, 2012 at 17:54

Monday, Sep 17, 2012 at 17:54
Sean,
other than stamping a higher towball weight on the tow package, is that within Suzuki OEM requirements?

For example I have two RA Rodeo, a 2003 and a 2005, both only permitted 2t and 200kg ball weight. In 2006 the towing was upgraded to 3t and 300kg ball weight. The Kaymar rear bars I now have on both have the 3t/300kg stamp on them as they fit from 2003 to 2001 RA Rodeo and Colorado, but even with that 3t/300kg stamped, I am only still permitted 2t/200kg that my vehicles were engineered for.

Cheers,
Dion.
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Follow Up By: Justahobby- Monday, Sep 17, 2012 at 18:07

Monday, Sep 17, 2012 at 18:07
Hi Dion,
The book doesn't state a particular weight for the ball weight just states that it cant go over vehicles GVW and axle group weight restrictions. The tow bar on the car states 1850 towing and 75 ball. the new one i found states it fits from 98 to 05 and is rated 1850 towing and 140kg ball.

So I'm guessing it would be permitted to with no clear ruling in the manufactures handbook. If not and something were to happen i would be going after the manufacture for engineering it wrong. The newer model tow system is different.

On a side note, as I'm still very puzzled on what car to buy to tow a camper around Aus for 12 months, not doing much offroad work except GRR. Are your Rodeos diesel? hows your fuel economy? do you tow much, does that change your fuel economy much? had any problems with them? how many km on them now?

Cheers Sean
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Follow Up By: Dion - Monday, Sep 17, 2012 at 22:14

Monday, Sep 17, 2012 at 22:14
hi Sean,
both diesels. When driving at 110km/h, both return about the 10L/100km. Add my boat which is fairly well close to 2t when loaded up to go away for a week and fuel usage is about the 14L/100km when towing at about 95-100km/h. In the '03, at 130000km the gearbox catastrophicaly failed, didn't bother with salvaging anything for a rebuild, outer case was stuffed anyway so had to put a new box in, GMH wanted to know nothing about it apart from supply and fit, that was about $7.5k.
Now the '03 has 215k and the '05 has 143k on them.
Cheers,
Dion.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jorgen S (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 15:05

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 15:05
I had 2005 Gran Vitara with towcap. at 1700 kg ATM and towball ONLY 85 kg
I was towing a 1700 kg van which it did and very well. My towball download was 150 kg, and as such i was illegal.
I contacted Suzuki but they would not change anything so the only choice i had was to reluctantly get an other car not to risk getting into trouble with the police or my insurance co. Bloody shame because we loved the Suzi.
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Follow Up By: Justahobby- Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 16:40

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 16:40
tow bars Australia sell them:

a heavy duty tow bar kit
http://www.towbarsaustralia.com.au/base/cms/shop/product-details.aspx?pid=3996

and a standard tow bar kit
http://www.towbarsaustralia.com.au/base/cms/shop/product-details.aspx?pid=3995

cheers Sean
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 17:18

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 17:18
It doesn't matter what the tow bar rating is if higher than the OEM ballweight. If the tow bar says ball weight is 150kg and the car spec is 75 or 80kg then the car specs apply.

Garry
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Follow Up By: Justahobby- Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 17:27

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 17:27
Hi Garry
As i have previously said. The book doesn't state a particular weight for the ball weight just states that it cant go over vehicles GVM and axle group weight restrictions.

And i believe if it has a plate and you read it and do it and then something happens, the manufacture who put the plate on will be held liable.

The only time i have been checked for towing weight is while driving my dads furniture truck and trailer. The RTA inspectors didn't go to the cab and get the book out, they read the plate on the tow bar that the manufacture put on.

Cheers Sean
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 18:29

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 18:29
The weight plate on the tow bar is the max weight the bar can carry not the load the car can carry and is a legislated requirement - overload the car and you will have no chance of suing the bar manufacturer.

It would seem that the max tow ball weight allowed for your car is 85kg - the numbers may not be listed in your handbook but 85kg does seem to be floating around in cyber space.

Garry
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Follow Up By: Justahobby- Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 19:46

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 19:46
Hi Garry
That's because 85kg is the stamped weight on the non gen and possibly Gen
(never seen a genuine bar system) tow bar. So if its not listed and you read the book, as long as the car doesn't exceed the GVM and axle group load and i have 135kg on the tow bar and the bar is stamped 140kg then I'm still legal to do so.
because the car would not be over weight in the rear axle group.

cheers Sean
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Follow Up By: Dion - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 21:30

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 21:30
Sean,
I'm not sure I agree with your 'legal' reasoning, you probably need to get something in writing from Suzuki on the maximum ballweight for your vehicle.
Although both my Kaymar Bars have 3t/300kg capacity, (as stated they are also made for a later model increased capacity Rodeo) I can still only go 2t/200kg.
If something were to happen and I was found to have exceeded 2t/200kg, I have absolutely no recourse on Kaymar as the manufacturer of the aftermarket part.
You can't blame a manufacturer for making a part to the highest capacity that it could possibly be used on, when it will also bolt onto something that the OEM has specified a lower capacity.
regards,
Dion.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 22:24

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 22:24
Sorry Sean - but I am with Dion on this. You need to get a definitive answer from Suzuki.

Garry
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Follow Up By: Justahobby- Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 22:29

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 at 22:29
So manufacture plates are useless information then..... Id like to know how many people out there read them and obey them right to their limit. If i bought a vitara without a tow bar and ordered a tow bar from this company i would not know any better like most people.

Not going to bother ringing them, decided against the Vitara because of this problem and towed my camper the other day and it was extremely close to the ground when reversing up my driveway and speed humps etc.

So i can rule it out. only another 10 cars to rule out!

Thanx Garry and Dion for wiping this 1 of the list.

Cheers Sean
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