Advice on using a Android HTC ONE XL as a mapping and GPS device

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 21, 2012 at 17:22
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Hi there,
I am enquiring about the possibility of using my mobile phone as a mapping,tracking and GPS unit, similiar to HEMA I6 units.

If possible, how do I go about it.

The GPS inside the phone is of reasonable quality. From my understanding, with preloading maps (ie.Memory maps),you dont need internet connection to make the maps work in real time, just satillite reception. Is this correct??

I have noticed the "memory map" site, but I would like some proven comments to help me out.

Will I need to download something like "GPS over BT" to improve accurcy??

I dont wish to download $200 worth of maps to the phone if they wont work and I will not get the real time tracking once out there.

There seems to be plenty of people using IPADS and the like for navigation, so I was wondering if mobiles could be effectively used. The phone has a 4in screen so would suffice.

If anyone could provide some help with this and simple "walk thru" steps it would be greatly appriciated.


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Reply By: Cravenhaven - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 00:19

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 00:19
there are many people using android phones for GPS mapping.
First of all you need to get the software thats suitable for your requirement. There are basically 2 types of mapping software:
- Street navigation - that tells you every turn you need to make to get from your current location to your destination.
- moving map software - that shows your position on a map, but doesnt tell you how to get from one place to the next.

For moving map style software have a look at the oziexplorer site www.oziexplorer.com. They have an Android version of their very popular software.

Your phone already has a GPS built in so you dont need to bluetooth (GPS over BT) to anything.
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 06:18

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 06:18
mattd, I had a HTC One XL, and Memory Map. I have had memory map on several Android phones and on the PC for several years. The One XL works very well with Memory Map which is the best off road mapping product IMO. It is tons better than Ozi IMO and looks fantastic on the big XL screen.

The only issue is that the One XL has a fixed 32G of Memory ( no micro SD) and you can only use 24G, which is why I took it back. But for most users that should be more than enough and certainly tons for lots of maps.

You have to manually download memory Map from their web site as it isn't on Google Play. It is a bit fiddly as you also have to download an installer program. But they are free and it works like their instructions.

The good news is that you can download Memory for free and then get an account and download any or all of the maps for a free 10 day trial so you can try them for yourself. Same for the PC version. You can also download and keep the 250K topo map which is pretty good.
The way MM licence the products you can get the Mobile version ( 2 x phone) or the PC plus mobile version ( 2 x PC and 2 x phone). I have this as it ia a little extra but is fantastic for planning. You can buy Hema for certain regions or all of Australia, Vic, Qld and NSW 25K, Westprint outback, marine, or as I do import google sat photos, paper, Rooftop etc.

It works very well.

You can also get a trial of Oziexplorer but you would have to get some maps for that, the demo map doesn't show you much. It is worth trying to compare. I recall Ozi is $25 to unlock the demo watermark.



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Follow Up By: Member - Kevin S (QLD) - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 08:13

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 08:13
A good answer Boobook. Very useful information. What phone did you buy to overcome the storage limits if the HCT One?
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 08:51

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 08:51
Kevin. Well erh ahh, that is the $64,000 question that my wife keeps asking.

I loved the One XL because it is blue tick and a large screen, but I have quite a bit of music and maps. So my criteria is
Android, Large screen, Blue tick on Telstra, minimum of an avilable 32G and preferably 64G and / or external SD slot ( which the XL does not support). Currently that phone doesn't exist in Australia :-(

The real issue for me with the One XL was that despite being advertised as 32G has only 23.6G available to the user and is never expandable. The battery doesn't last long either. On the first point, Telstra agreed to let me out of the contract, but only after consumer affairs agreed that it should never have been advertised as 32G.

I bought a Motorola Defy + ( which I noticed Telstra just dropped to $99) as an interim and as my Bush / camping phone. It has a smaller screen and 32G external SD ( though apparently it will take 64G) but it's Next G reception is fantastic.

You can get a Samsung S3 with a whopping 64G internal and additional 64G SD but it has far too many reports and reviews of poor reception in the bush for me.

The HTC One X+ will be released in Australia in the next month or so. It has 64G and reportedly has 80% better battery life. It also has a 4.7" screen. Also Motorola are also about to release 2 - 3 new big screen models before xmas. Hopefully one or more of these will be blue tick.

The release of the Iphone 5 has spurred a bunch of new 4.7" Androids to be released overseas in the last month or so, and fingers crossed one will meet my apparently impossible spec.

In the mean time I am happy to live with the Defy+, it is great for camping being water resistant and quite tough, but it's a bit small and slow for my main use. It also has an unbelievable battery life.

I know there is always something around the corner but the products are now available overseas so it shouldn't be too long a wait........




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Follow Up By: Member - Kevin S (QLD) - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 09:08

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 09:08
Thanks Boobook. I am not surprised at your answer. I had decided to soldier on with my Telstra T165i and get a tablet with GPS and Wifi to use for navigation, books and access to the internet at hot spots or my wifi that travels with us in the van. I had in mind the Google Nexus 7. I had wondered about using a large screen phone to replace the T165i and use for moving map navigation as well. I will watch for new releases as I don't need to do anything until March or April next year. By then there may be a whole bunch of new goodies as you suggest. Like you I will keep watching.
Thanks again.
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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 13:10

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 13:10
Hi Boobook

quote "You can get a Samsung S3 with a whopping 64G internal and additional 64G SD but it has far too many reports and reviews of poor reception in the bush for me. "

I have two S2 and the S3...under the back cover there is a socket you can connect an external antennae to and then the signal reception is as good as any blue tick I have used...and I rely on a good signal because of where I live and travel........with the right antennae I have had 70km as the crow flys in flat terrain

I am very happy with mine in fact with the antennae connected it is as good as the old 411/412 Samsung blue ticks...

I have posted this in the past.... a seach should pull up all that I wrote on this subject

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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 13:38

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 13:38
Thanks Bungarra, I am aware of the antenna socket on the S3, the Motorola Defy+ also has one, however you may or may not be aware that these are actually test ports, not external antenna connectors, and the connector is only designed to be used a small number of times. They are a fragile assembly with components subject to insertion and removal force directly soldered to the main board.

While some may be happy to take the chance, I would prefer to have a phone that is designed to have good reception as, is rather than something that's not fit for purpose or warranted for that use.

I am sure the S3 will have great reception if connected to the antenna and the back removed though.
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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 23, 2012 at 08:57

Tuesday, Oct 23, 2012 at 08:57
Hi Boobook

Thanks and yes I was aware they are test ports and their fragiligity. What I can say is that I have used them extensively...maybe many hundreds of times with care and so far all good and no damage.

I am satisified that although placed there as test ports they are as firm and stable as any external port...but for some reason Samsung dont think their accessibility is a selling point on smart phones

As soon as the manufacturers realise there is a demand for a smart phone/ blue tick/ external port the better but dont hold your breath it is all about the majority rules and the city market with the mentality of "the majority is in good signal range all the time"......

Let's face it if it wasnt for Telstra and their country coverage those of us that live/ work /play outside the large population bases would still have no mobile access...I use Telstra but I hate them for many reasons ...all ongoing issues and attitude..but many of us have no choice because of the coverage they provide



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Reply By: Member - John R (cQld) - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 21:44

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 21:44
Hi Matt
I run Oziexplorer or Androzic with mostly converted 250k scale topo Natmaps (purchased) for moving map navigation away from town, and Google Maps (free app) for street navigation around town where there is phone reception, on my 4" screen Motorola phone. But I only do this with a navigator, as I find the screen is too small to look at and drive. I think Google Maps can do voice navigation, but I haven't bothered trying it.
Phone has to be on a good charger to run the gps and full screen all the time.
Otherwise this works well, and of course you can use the navigation away from the car as well. (It also plays music, runs the Torque app for engine info, etc, even makes phone calls!).

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Reply By: mattd - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 09:54

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 09:54
Thanks for your help guys.

I'll be going the memory maps route with victopo I think. Hems doesn't seem to have the detail around Vic. 250,000 comparet to 25000...

Thanks again..
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Reply By: get outmore - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:52

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:52
ive been using my motorolla phone for a while for navagation using a whole host of maps from 25k maps , geology maps, hema maps and SW WA 50k maps

I use Ozi Explorer

I tried Androzic which was great. In ways more user freindly than Ozi but its issue is it cqant seem to consistantly create a proper track

You go to load the track and it says wrong file format, When ive got it off the phone and tried it with Ozi Ozi cant recognise it either.

Ive had some success getting the data and pasting data with different headers but realy unfortunatly ive given up on it

All i need to do is have my phone on using ozi and I can then email that track to anyone
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Reply By: mattd - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 14:20

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 14:20
Thanks for that, get out there.
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