Jerry Cans On Caravan

Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 13:44
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This has probably been around as many times as me, but does anyone know the legalities of having petol jerry cans on the rear bar of a caravan? I am sure iI saw somewhere that water was ok, but fuel was a no-no in case of a rear shunt from a rubber-necker.

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Reply By: Member - ACD 1 - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 14:45

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 14:45
Hi Macca

There are a heap of threads on the forum relating to this topic. Some include 50892, 90137, 20186, 14646 to give you a start. A good google also comes up with a fair bit of discussion on other forums.

From reading them, it would appear that it is not ok to carry petrol - this relates to it being a 'dangerous good'. Diesel is ok - this relates to it being rated a 'flammable liquid'. (volatility/flash points/ignition sources etc)

One thing that was clear from the posts was that regardless of the ADR's, Licensing Regulations etc etc - posters will recommend what they 'THINK' is correct/safe.

Give the licensing Authority in your neck of the woods a call for the legal answer.

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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 15:05

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 15:05
About a year ago an old caravaner mate of mine investigated this.
He contacted the WA Department of Transport and the Mines Department – they are not illegal in WA.
I’ve done full two loops of Australia through all states, from 2008, with 2 highly visible red Jerry cans and labels warning “Flammable Liquid” on my caravan's rear bar - no police or traffic patrol queried it.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 15:07

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 15:07
Opps that should read "two full" loops
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Follow Up By: SDG - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 18:52

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 18:52
Be similar to fishing rod holders on the bullbar, or spare wheels on the front of the car. Illegal, but probably not worth the effort/paperwork to pull one over for.
Leave all that to the insurance company if needed.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 21:55

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 21:55
Not sure what state you’re in or which state you are referring to mate.
Obviously not here in the Wild West where rod holders on the bull bar are illegal but petrol containers on the rear bumper are not.
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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 16:19

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 16:19
What about a Gennie in one of those crate thingies????,
Where would be the best place to carry fuel when towing a van, fuel for the Gennie I mean.
Just wondering.
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Reply By: Member - peter & dawn m (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 18:56

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 18:56
you will NOT be covered by your insurance company if involved in an accident even if you not at fault ! got that from an insurance company. swampy
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 22:08

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 22:08
After adding the rear bar with the attached genset and Jerrys, plus underslinging the axles – I advised my insurance company of the modifications and had them noted on my insurance contract.
Maybe you should change your insurance company.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 20:15

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 20:15
In addition to flammability in case of a rear end accident, issues to consider at the legal overhang if using a genny box, and most of all, the effect on the stability of the caravan with any weight added to the back. Carry the jerry can on the a frame.

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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 22:02

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 22:02
My genset is permanently fixed to the rear bar – it operates there in an all weather enclosure.
If you engineer it correctly and have your towball weight to specification it doesn’t affect the stability of the van.
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 22:53

Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 at 22:53
I disagree Dennis.
There has been some very informative discussion on the caravanners forum regarding how weight should be distributed around a caravan and your setup would be adding considerable weight at exactly the worst point.
Collyn Rivers is widely respected in this area and his explanations of how added weight acts as a pendulum is very logical. adding weight to a rig has the potential to make that rig more unstable especially when added at the rear of a van like you have done.
In my case with the modifications I am doing to my van I am looking at mounting a dual AGM battery system but I'll locate the batteries centrally around the axle to minimise the potential pendulum effect.
Any Jerry cans I fit will be either in the front boot or on the A frame just as Motherhen suggests.
Regards Andrew.

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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:52

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:52
Thanks for your concern Andrew, and yes the pendulum effect is real.
Truckies call caravans “Wobblies” because of the pendulum effect – more pronounced with large vans and centrally located wheels – more pronounce with single axels – more pronounce without load levellers etc etc.
If you wanted to eliminate this effect you would use a caravan constructed similar to a dog trailer with the wheels at each end.
I have seen many comparable vans fitted with factory bars and greater weights than mine.
If you do it correctly it doesn’t become a problem.
You have to look at the complete setup rather than a blanket “you can’t do this”.
I’ve seen very unstable vans wobbling down the highway without a rear bar at all.
Regards Dennis
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