OZ rules and laws

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hello again, another post regarding the big road trip i'm planning. i just wanted to check a few issues i'm having trouble clarifying. firstly what is the law regarding machete's in OZ, hope to pick one up for use around the camp site. secondly i'm aware i need to check ahead before camping in any national park but what are the rules for beaches, lakes and riverbeds that fall outside or on the outskirts of national parks? obviously we will do the best to get permission from authorities/land owners when possible but its not always easy to find out who they are and how to contact them. what are the rules concerning fishing on the ocean, will a licence be required or can we just go for it? and finally is there any national laws concerning fires or does each state and or national park make its own laws and regulations? sorry for bombarding you but as i said these are all issues that google was less then helpful with.
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Reply By: Member - Ron S (SA) - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 00:16

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 00:16
I suggest that you get Camps Aust Wide. It is extremely useful but not infallible. Vol 6 is the current one but I think vol 7 is due early next year.
You do not have to check ahead for national parks except in Queensland.
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Reply By: equinox - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 00:22

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 00:22
I had a machete once, however it was only used to display my superior Ninja skills around the campfire :-)

Seriously, get yourself a tomahawk or small axe.

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Reply By: Motherhen - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 00:55

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 00:55
Hi Matthew

You could be charged with carrying an offensive weapon unless you have a valid reason for carrying a machete; self defence not included as a valid reason.

Advice has already been given regarding the best publication for finding somewhere to camp for a night or two. If you Google “You get a feel for finding good spots, and books such as Camps Australia Wide help” you will come up with advice on how to find your own spot. Camps Australia Wide can be purchased through the ExplorOz bookshop.

Fishing regulations and licence requirements vary from state to state. Google the following to find links for each state: "Recreational Fishing These links will also direct you to regulations including bag limits and closed seasons."

In a dry country prone to bushfires, fires cannot be lit on agricultural areas during summer, and each Shire will have different closed season which can vary according to seasonal conditions. There will also be complete fire ban and movement of vehicles off road days when conditions are bad. Some National Parks permit fires in designated fire rings whereas others do not. Most National Parks do not permit collection of wood within the park (natural habitats), but some do not allow you to bring wood into the park (disease bio-security). Google the following to will bring up a list of links to the bushfires information websites for each state: “For more information about fire safety and prohibited burning times in each state”

Hoping this helps you

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Follow Up By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 17:28

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 17:28
We actually also publish all the Fishing and Boating regulations in our Article section on ExplorOz - see link here
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Reply By: patsproule - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 07:07

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 07:07
Why would you want a machete? AU isnt the jungle, native plants are protected, and I'd highly doubt it would be any use at all for cutting aussie hardwood. Maybe you need it to whack all our deadly snakes and spiders and dingos and crocs that will be out to kill you :). I carry a small tomahawk as suggested above but use it 90% of the time for tent pegs and perhaps 10% for firewood cutting when fires are permitted or warranted. And I carry a chainsaw for track clearing in certain regions despite legalities.

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Reply By: kidsandall - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 07:20

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 07:20
"before camping in any national park but what are the rules for beaches, lakes and riverbeds".
I would suggest you never camp in a river bed. Even if there is no rain in your area, it could rain further up and you get flooded. Friends of ours had to help some people in the middle of the night as they had camped in a river bed after being told not to cause it flooded. Friends of ours had to pull their van out. 1 1/2 hrs later the river was about 1 1/2 mtrs deep. Camp on the bank but not in the river bed.

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Reply By: Tim - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 07:26

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 07:26
Machetes are a very useful tool if you know how to use them despite what some people have alluded to in their replies.

You can carry a machete legally with no issues provided you have a "lawful excuse", camping would be one. To assist in proving you are carrying it for a lawful reason, it would help not to store it under your seat or in the door pocket, that may be frowned upon and result in some "negative attention". Who needs a machete at their finger tips while they are driving? Crooks do. Just keep it in the back with the rest of your luggage and it's not an issue.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 13:00

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 13:00
My dad used to bring his sheathed machete when I took him camping, a carryover from his service days bivouacking. Only use I ever saw him put it to was digging in sand. What would you use one for in the bush Tim? Didge making?
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Follow Up By: Tim - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 14:36

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 14:36
The options are only limited by you. They are a cutting device obviously, so let's start with cutting timber/trees, so when do you cut things in the bush? Let's start with 4x4 related, stuck in the mud and and want some branches under your wheels? Fire wood? A good sharp tool will go through anything, we have gidgee wood out here and it chips it away nicely. The close end of the blade can be used for more controlled cutting like splitting branches for kindling. They can be used for digging and moving the hot embers from your fire onto your camp oven because it is so much smaller then a shovel. In PNG they are the tool of choice for any job you can think of including digging channels around your tent for the rain, something I would suggest you could also do in Aus.
I think they are a very versatile tool and always have one in the back when I go away, obviously you disagree.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 14:58

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 14:58
I cant think of one use youve mentiond there that would be neccessary or a better at hand tool you would have anyway
- Branches when bogged, much quicker to snap them off, if thier too thick to easily snap theres no way youll get through them with a machette anytime soon

- firewood? - Ive had far too many fires out bush to count and never cut a single log or twig

- kindling?- never had asn issue getting stuff to start a fire just loose round the ground

- moving embers? - just use the shovel no way should you have a campfire without a shovel out and ready anyweay in case its needed with the fire getting away no matter how unlikely

not saying you couldnt use one but its just an extra thing to carry when youve alredy got everything covered
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 16:15

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 16:15
No, don't disagree Tim, but by their nature they can be a dangerous tool, especially if there are kids in the camp. I think my discomfort with them probably stems from the horrific uses they are put to in some other countries.
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 09:27

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 09:27
Hi Matthew and welcome to the site.

Australian hardwood, when it is dry enough to burn, can be extremely hard. Suggest get yourself a decent axe - Fiskars brand is good and comes with a case around the haed for safety while travelling.

There was a thread on here in the last week - 10 days regarding the law about access to riverbeds/waterways. It varies state by state (as do most things). Australia does not have the kind of access across agricultural/grazing land as you do in England.

Camping on beaches varies, and in many cases will not be possible unless you have a permit to drive on the beach - and on many beaches it is not permissable (and sometimes not possible) to drive.

Please be very careful when lighting fires, especially if its hot and/or windy. Aussie vegetation dries out very quickly and is very flammable, so just one spark can cause a bushfire. As Motherhen says, there are strict fire ban times when you must not light ANY fire (not even a gas BBQ). If you do have a fire please make sure that you put it out completely before you leave your campsite. Do another google search on how to safely put out a campfire.

Have a great trip,

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Reply By: wizzer73 - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:19

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:19
In West Aus you don't need a fishing licence to fish in the ocean. However you do need one to fish inland waters
wa fish zones

With chopping firewood, I have always found it handy to carry a bag of wood (if you can fit it in). Just remember whatever you are chopping or picking up is some critters home or a living tree.

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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 15:09

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 15:09
Hi Matthew,

All the above is very good advice and following that advice is the mark of a good bushman.

Respect for your environment, without going overboard, and respect for others, is a self preservation thing whereby if you come back to the same spot next week or next year it is unlikely to see where you have been. This also keeps the authorities from having to bring in new regulation, to stop us enjoying what the bush has to offer, because some fool has done the wrong thing.

A good little chainsaw, a good axe and a good attitude will work for you rather than against you. This is basic camping bushcraft. You seem to have the right attitude as you are asking advice.

Only people fed on too much Rambo mess with machete's. Makes one look like an idiot.

Most States have their own regulations but the basic ones apply across the board mainly.

Enjoy mate.
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Reply By: SDG - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 18:21

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 18:21
I carry a machete when camping. Have done for years. I find I have more control over it, than an axe/tomahawk.
It is illegal, unless you have a valid excuse. ie camping.
All knives in NSW at least, are illegal without a valid excuse, including items such as leathermans type multitools.
Care must be taken when transporting any knife. I remember one bloke here got fined because he had a knife in his tackle box. He was not fishing, nor was he going out fishing. He just stored a rod and tackle box in his car for when he had the spare half hour to wet a line.

I have a stanely knife in my tool boxes both in the car and on the bike. Used them a few times. Both illegal as the excuse, "just in case" is not valid.

Many times it would be up to the officer that finds them, as to wether he wants to charge you or not.
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Reply By: matthew h - Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 20:43

Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 at 20:43
will most likely be using an axe and a a machete as ive always found the knife to be easier when splitting smaller bits of wood for kindling and things. id imagine its fairly easy to get away with lugging a wood cutting axe around with a car full of camp gear but i wasn't sure if large knifs were a bit harder to justify. thanks for all the help with this one guys, will have to do a lot more research by the looks of things.
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