100 series mag wheels strength & weight
Submitted: Monday, Nov 05, 2012 at 15:18
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Member - Keith Berg
Hi all,
I am building a little off road caravan with all the bells and whistles. Unfortunately, bells and whistles can be rather heavy and I'm trying to watch every kilo
It will have a GVM of
well over 2,000 kg when all the tanks are full and will be on a heavy single axle using standard 100 Series steel rims with light truck all terrain tyres. It will also carry two spares, which means there's a lot of weight just in wheels and tyres.
So I have two questions:
1. Does anyone have any idea how much weight I will save per wheel if I go with standard 100 Series Landcruiser mags, rather than the standard steel rims?
2. Are the mags up to it? I've seen plenty of bent steel rims, which are mostly repairable, but do the mags have a tendency to crack under heavy loads and rough roads?
Any help would be appreciated.
Keith
Reply By: baz&pud (Tassie) - Monday, Nov 05, 2012 at 17:13
Monday, Nov 05, 2012 at 17:13
G'day Keith,
We have a 100 series Landcruiser with alloy wheels, have no idea what they weigh, other than to say when you have to change one they are bloody heavy.
In relation to them standing up to a bit of torture, don't think you would have a problem, ours have been on some of the rougher tracks and we haven't had a problem, yet.
Hope this helps you with your decision.
Cheers
Baz
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Reply By: rumpig - Monday, Nov 05, 2012 at 17:24
Monday, Nov 05, 2012 at 17:24
my alloys have been on my vehicle since 2005. the vehicle has been to
Cape York, across the
Simpson Desert and up through the Gulf in that time frame aswell as many
places inbetween. having encountered thousands of klms of corrogations along the way they have suffered no problems what so ever, so i can't see it being a problem having them on the van.
having towed a camper trailer aswell at stages on the above trips, the GVM would have been right up there, so i reckon at times i've gone over the weight you are talking about and still no ill efffects.
cheers
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Reply By: Flighty ( WA ) - Monday, Nov 05, 2012 at 17:39
Monday, Nov 05, 2012 at 17:39
Keith
Took my 79 series up the CSR last year with alloy mags fitted,( already on when I bought the vehicle) and asked the same question with everyone saying they would not make the distance.
Vehicle loaded and yes on the heavy side like most others.
Never had one issue with tyres or rims so, if you fitted alloy to your van I believe that if looked after and you travel in your means, there should be no reason for them to let you down.
As far as the weight difference goes I can't help you on that.
Cheers
Paul
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Reply By: Andrew(WA) - Monday, Nov 05, 2012 at 22:03
Monday, Nov 05, 2012 at 22:03
The car weighs around 3 tonne so I don't recon they would be a drama on a trailer... how heavy are you expecting the trailer to end up?
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith Berg - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2012 at 11:04
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2012 at 11:04
Unloaded about 1300-1400 kg. Loaded about 2000kg with full
water tanks - possibly more for long stays.
Looks like the mags will be fine for the load. I might have to strip a tyre off and weigh a mag rim to see whether the weight saving would be worth the cost and effort.
If I could save 20kg over the four rims I'd probably go for the mags.
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith Berg - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2012 at 12:33
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2012 at 12:33
Not being interested in horse races and having a bit of time on my hands, I just weighed a couple of rims:
100 series steel is 18.6kg
200 series mag is 11.1 kg
I guess the 100 series mag would be similar or a bit heavier. This means I can save about 28kg or so on my camper with four mags instead of steel rims. Looks like they'll be strong enough too.
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Follow Up By: Charlie B2 - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2012 at 13:30
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2012 at 13:30
Hi Keith,
If you do decide on 100 series factory alloys, just don't choke on the price!
When I was looking for a second spare for my 100 series a year or so ago, Mr Toyota wanted over $1100 each for them, rim only! If you're only running a single axle and one spare, that might not work out too bad, but if tandem, with four for the van and two spares, there are people out there who might not want to pay that for an entire van! :-)
My problem was that I didn't want to go to steel for the second spare and couldn't locate anything else in the alloy aftermarket scene that had a high enough load rating (yeah, I'm running heavy, too, just like most on here), so considered myself fortunate to get hold of a secondhand factory rim and centre at a better price than that. And it did look pretty smick.
Of course, if you happen to have a cheap source of 100 series rims, ignore the above and let me know! There might be a few others over here who are looking for them!
Regards,
Charlie
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith Berg - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2012 at 13:52
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2012 at 13:52
Charlie,
Anything from Toyota seems to cost a motzer these days. I'm early in the build so I'll put the word out among the wreckers. At least we have some steel ones in the shed.
At the prices you were quoted four mags would cost $4,400 for a 28 kg saving, which amounts to $157 a kilo. I could have built the chassis out of unobtanium for that!
Keith
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Follow Up By: Lyn W3 - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2012 at 17:13
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2012 at 17:13
I have a set of 16x8 ROH mags on my 2002 105 which are stamped
"MAX LOAD 970KG" Have another set of genuine Togo mags which are not stamped. Might pay to check the ratings on the genuine if you are loading in excess of 1000kg per wheel.
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith Berg - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2012 at 17:29
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2012 at 17:29
Thanks Lyn,
I'll need the genuine Toyota ones because I'll try to register the van with a much higher GVM and will need about 1400 kg or so per wheel.
They'd also need to be 5 stud to suit the 100 series with IFS in order to be interchangeable with that's on the tow.
Please feel free to call me on 040 302 4091
Keith
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Reply By: Member - michael H (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 07:49
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 07:49
Hi Keith I reckon if it carries the car it will carry the van
heres one I built for Quads and bikes/Small car[img]
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Cheers Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith Berg - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 09:24
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 09:24
Nice Job Michael.
I hope
mine looks that good. At the moment, my project looks more like a triumph of good design over poor workmanship.
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Follow Up By: Member - michael H (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 11:32
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 11:32
This Rig as is weighs 830kg
I'm building a 4.0m long
trundle tray under it out of aluminium unistrut with rollers and light weight aluminium chequer plate to store our tents and
camping equipment in.
The void measures 1120 x 250 x 4100 so our Oztents and
camp chairs all fit quite nicely under it.
I have screwed a piece of 2400 x 1120 MDF sheet floor as a temporary job and it works
well so the extra 1600 will be very useful
The rollers will be the same as what is on the Van[img]
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Cheers Michael
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Reply By: garrycol - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 12:06
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 12:06
You basically asked 2 questions - what are the weight of Lc wheels and what is their load ratimg. You have the answer to the first but not the second and unfortunately I cannot give an answer to the second but it will be around 1000kg. Looking at your problem you might want to consider Performance Wheels Industrial Range - these have high load ratings and could be used on your vehicle if needed in some sort of urgency.
Here is a link to them - they do have a 1400kg rating.
Performance Industrial Wheels
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith Berg - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 14:42
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 14:42
Just weighed at Standard 100 series at the wreckers, who said they were made in Australia by ROH. And, sure enough, ROH is stamped on the inside of the rim. Mags are 7.5kg lighter than steel.
Thanks for the link. I'll have a good look at these.
Keith
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 15:45
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 15:45
The last time I priced the TX 1 in about the size you are looking at they were $180 ea but without wheel nuts.
Isn't the load rating of the wheels you weighed cast into the inside of the wheel? Certainly they are on my Landrover wheels.
Garry
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith Berg - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 20:32
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 20:32
They look like good wheels, Garry, and lighter too.
100 Series mags from the wreckers are $165 each, complete with dings, and no nuts.
These new ones might be the way to go. But I have the steel ones for the time being, while I build the body.
If I end up with a 200 series as the tow, I'll need different wheels again, so we'll wait and see what happens. But I'll hang onto this link and thank you for it.
Keith
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Reply By: Member - Alan John C (WA) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 16:09
Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 16:09
Keith two tonne on single axle would be illegal in most states that alone overload the tyres
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith Berg - Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 16:41
Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 16:41
Thanks Alan,
Trucks are allowed up to 6 tonnes on a single axle in NSW and 9 tonnes on duals.
There are plenty of off road trailers with a GVM over two tonnes on a single axle.
I think as long as you can prove that axle,
suspension components, wheels and tyres are up to the job, you're OK. But I may stand corrected on that one.
I'm running 100 x 9 RHS for the axle with machined bosses to take a standard 100 series front end. Springs are 2,900 Kg Firestone air bags with standard landcruiser trailing arms and a custom panhard rod. Dual Landcruiser shockers both sides. Tyres will be 285's with a 122 rating for 1,500 Kg each.
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Reply By: Member - Richard W (NSW) - Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 18:13
Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 18:13
Keith,
I had alloys fitted to my TD100 when I bought it in 2005.
Since then I have done the Simpson twice.
Cape York twice.
The Anne Beadell, Great Central, Tanami & CSR amongst others.
Had to have two repaired about 12 months ago as they had fractures.
Marginally cheaper than new rims.
No towing on these trips but right up on GVM.
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith Berg - Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 19:13
Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 19:13
Thanks Richard,
What were the alloys?
Keith
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Follow Up By: Member - Richard W (NSW) - Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 08:04
Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 08:04
Keith,
They are the standard Toyota alloys fitted by the dealer at the time.
Not sure who makes them but I have included a better photo in my profile.
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith Berg - Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 18:11
Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 18:11
Richard
These are the ROH ones
Many thanks
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith Berg - Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 19:28
Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 19:28
Just got an email from ROH saying that their 16x6 Impact wheel configured for a 100 Series Landcruiser (which is the same as original equipment fitted locally by Toyota) are rated at 1250kg.
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