cruise control

Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 14:56
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We want to put cruise control on toyota landcruiser 1996 80 series fitted with a turbo and need to know where we get a vacuum suppressor or regulator in order to install it..can we do it ourselves or do we need to get it done elsewhere..Thank you...Jule
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Reply By: prado95 - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 15:03

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 15:03
Typically the lower cost units use a vacuum activation. Its cheap but has issues when towing a load up hills (on petrols). This should not be an issue with a diesel as they have seperate vacuum pumps that operate while the engine is running.

The electrically activated units (as was avail on some model 80 series) tend to work better in that area.

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Reply By: Big Trev - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 15:58

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 15:58
I have been investigating fitting one to my Maverick TD42 (Diesel) All the best info I can gain tells me to NOT fit a vacuum system as the lower exhaust pressures will not allow the cruise to work effectively as stated above, when towing, going up hills etc. It is because the diesel revs significantly lower than a pertrol, particularly under load.

You should be fitting an electronic unti, a good one will cost upwards of $600.00 but well worth the cost. Most suppliers of Cruise Controls Units should steer you away from the vacuum system for a diesel.
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Follow Up By: William - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 17:51

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 17:51
Absolute bull manure
The $180 units which are vacuum from KMart work perfectly on petrol or diesel. On the smaller vehicles Command Auto have a vacuum tank you can purchase for about $30 to be a vacuum accumulator.
There is absolutely nothing wrong at all with a vacuum unit on a diesel.
Buy the KMart AP50 or AP60 and then phone Command Auto in Sydney for any other bits you may need, or any technical advice. Do not listen to these ill informed turkeys that post here.
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Follow Up By: jeff-wa - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 20:15

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 20:15
Steady on Wiliam, personal opinion is the key factor here, everyone has a right to express their opinion weather you think it's right or wrong, there's no need to slag off at people. If you belive someone is wrong then correct them. I was telling of my experiance with an electronic cruise setup and William I'm sure was talking of his experience. He obviously was unware of the vacuum accumulator that is availible. Now he knows about it. That's how you learn things and that's why we read these forums.
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Follow Up By: Big Trev - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 21:31

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 21:31
Nice Follow Up William, you are a class act. I have investigated from about 5 or 6 different sources and they all told me the same thing.

You obviously haven't heard of the phrase "buy cheap, get cheap". Are these the same units that throw magnets off never to be seen again? A rhetorical question William, one I don't expect an answer to.
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Follow Up By: Pradoman - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 22:13

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 22:13
William

While people on this forum appreciate advice from the 4WD community with more knowledge than themselves, they rarely like to have their opinions ground into the dirt. This is the second post I've read of yours on this forum today that has intentionally slandered another user. Maybe you should spend less time criticising others opinions and more time practising "dealing with people 101", then come back and participate with a more light hearted attitude. 4WDing and everything accosiated with it should be an experience to be enjoyed.

Scott
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 22:36

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 22:36
Jeff and others..

ignore it its school holidays still, you usually get the kids bored this time of year,

DONT FEED THE TROLL....
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Follow Up By: Flash - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 23:58

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 23:58
Sorry, Big Trev.
You're getting duff gen, no doubt from someone trying to make more dough out of you!
I have the AP 50 fitted on a TD 42 and it's absolutely faultless.
Have had it fitted now about two years and if an electronic one is better I'd like to know how......
Like I said, can't fault the AP 50 Command system.
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Follow Up By: Viola - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 17:20

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 17:20
Darling I wanted cruise control on my shopping trolley and darling the Toyota dealer thought because I looked like money they would rip me right off.
Darling I am not a fool
Darling I went to my local mechanical man and told me to go down to KMart and buy a unit and he would fit it
Darling I said KMart darling are you for real
Darling he said I am for real they are a vonderful unit
Darling I did as this man told me because over the year he has never led me astray even though he would love to
Darling it works vonderfully on my shopping trolly diesel
Darling I love my KMart cruise control
Darling if I could make my darling husband that smooth every night I would be in heaven
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 22:30

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 22:30
Oziexplorer has returned.... Even with 2 names, talk about desperate.

Someone Checked out some of his files he uploaded, they start in Woodonga, THATS WHERE YOU LIVE AINT IT!!!

Too easy!
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Reply By: jeff-wa - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 16:31

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 16:31
My Surf 3.0lTD had an electronic 3rd party Cruise on it when I bought it and it works better than some of the factory cruises I've had on previous cars. Even fully loaded with camping gear and 5 adults it is very responsive and has no hesitation in sticking the boot in and flooring it up hills if required to keep the speed up.
If it wasn't already installed I would have had no hesitation paying the $600 bucks to get a good setup.
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Reply By: Dave from Fraser Coast 4WD Club - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 21:48

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 21:48
I've just (last weekend) installed an AP60 on my diesel troopy.

Took about three hours, but if i did it again it would take less than an hour.

My vacuum source comes off the idle up for the air con, (just make sure you take it before the solenoid for the idle up) and it works just fine.

As far as throwing magnets, I must admit that does concern me, I have my magnet glued and zip tied and have my fingers crossed, apparently you can get a speedo cable driven sensor of some form, that may be worth exploring if the magnet idea doesn't stick (Ha).

For the time being, I can't move the magnet, regardless of how much force i put on it, so I am reasonably confident.

The unit works brilliantly and the kit came with everything you needed (and somethings you didn't depending on your setup).

$168 well spent, very basic, simple, and sound.
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Reply By: David N. - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 00:14

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 00:14
Jule
Dave's experience is accurate.
I have fitted about four (or is it five??) .....-no SIX! Command AP50 systems to friends diesels and a couple of petrol motors... Mine (a TD 42 Patrol) and also to a Commodore V6 (VN), a VS V6, and three other Diesel Patrols. All cost under $200- some bought on special for as low as $140 !!
Without exception, the unit works like a charm. I would even go as far as to say I can't fault them in any way... There's no need for extra accumulator tanks and such like either!!
Quite simply couldn't be happier. (Dave - none of the vehicles have lost magnets so far, either, for what it's worth!!)
Enough said!

There's some very inaccurate "opinions" flying around here, I think IMHO. Probably people trying to take more of your hard earned dough by selling you a dearer system!
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Big Trev - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 08:06

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 08:06
All my enquiries have gone the same way, I walk into the shop, tell the person I want a cruise control system for my car, they ask me what sort of car, I say a 4WD, they say petrol or diesel, I say diesel, they ALWAYS say, oh, well the vacuum system isn't as good as the electronic system, because of vacuum problems, they are quite happy to sell me the vacuum unit as long as I understand that it has restrictions.
And this from a specialist in this area as well.

I don't believe they are doing the money grab, as they are quite happy to sell me the cheaper unit.

I do live in rural Victoria.
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Follow Up By: David N. - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 08:50

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 08:50
Big Trev,
Trust me, the Command AP50 will work like a charm on your Maverick TD42 if fitted properly.
(I still believe they'd be more than happy to make more money selling you a dearer unit- just like I'd be happier to sell you a BMW rather than a Ford if I was in the car business....)
Cheers
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Reply By: wizzer - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 14:53

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 14:53
I installed an AP50 on me little 2.4 turbo desiel and it works fine. Does stuggle a bit on the hills but thats more to do with the car then the cruise. Also installed one on a 4 cyl camry and it works fine also. Bought them on special at kmart for around $160. Haven't thrown a magnet yet either even the the magnet has been damaged 4wding.

wizzer
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Reply By: sensei - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 14:56

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 14:56
I have a AP50 fitter to my GU Patrol now for 2 years and no problems with it towing the camper trailer or just on a straight run. Agree with everyone else, it all depends on the installation. This is my third AP50 on different vehicles of course and I love them. Cheap and reliable units
I have a manual so I fitted a reed switch to the clutch that I grabbed from Jaycar, to be honest Im lost with out it on my long runs.

Gary
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Reply By: Mad Dog Morgan (Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 18:04

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 18:04
The kMart jigger is a beauty. Fitted one to a vl commodore many years ago, did 350,000k's around the country and it never missed a beat.I may be mad but I'm not crazy
BEAM ME UP SCOTTY

Hooroo
Ray
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Reply By: Jule - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 22:41

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2004 at 22:41
thanks for all the info..command A50 from Km is the unit we have...we shall continue..
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