Replacement Front Speakers For 78 Series Landcruiser

Submitted: Saturday, Nov 17, 2012 at 18:42
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I need to replace the stock speakers in my troopy as the stock ones are very poor. Has anyone found some good 4 inch aftermarket speakers and a fitting kit to enable them to bolt to the metal dashboard. I have trawled the internet but found nothing specific to my 78 series vehicle. any info or links would be really appreciated.
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peter
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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Saturday, Nov 17, 2012 at 19:01

Saturday, Nov 17, 2012 at 19:01
Hi Peter,

The original Troopy speakers are quite small (about 75mm) and poorly mounted for decent reproduction. The aftermarket speakers in my Troopy are in enclosures mounted on the roll bar. They are wide-range with tweeters and produce fair results.

You would be wasting effort to replace the speakers using the original dash location. Far better to use decent 2-way (mid + tweeter) combination speakers of at least 150mm and either door mount them or in enclosures in a convenient location.

Maybe a visit to a car radio specialist would be useful. They may have a solution that is not too expensive. You could save costs by wiring them yourself. If you do extend the existing wiring, use some figure-8 speaker cable and ensure that you maintain the correct polarity. Failure to do so will not damage anything but will impair the sound quality as the speakers will be 'out of phase'.

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Follow Up By: Member - a convict - Saturday, Nov 17, 2012 at 23:00

Saturday, Nov 17, 2012 at 23:00
I'm with Allan on pretty well all counts, as above.

I pulled out left side spkr on mine (2008) and it was lowest in range of the Fujitu TEN series.

..this link may help, start here "http://www.eclipse-web.com/au/products/speakers/"

..or see here "http://www.npsonline.com.au/shop/category/speakers-4-10cm"

..spkr wiring loom in mine is coverred in the 2007 'Cruiser manual available from 'SuperCheap store chain.

..plug out spec here. "http://www.tehnomagazin.com/Auto-radio-car-connector/TOYOTA-Car-Radio-Wiring-Connector.htm"

We all love our wagons but they are 'Blardy noisy. Do yourself and your partner a favor and fix the 'in cabin' noise first.

Rip out the front seats and Dynamat whole inside of front cab, and inside front doors, take your time, its a three day job.

One jumbo pack will do it. Buy the under bonnet kit too, cover all the engine bay areas not coverred by Toyota standard liner.

.. you will be amazed how good the Dynamat material is.

Spkr wireing loom on mine also runs back to rear doors.

..all of that said, to me Alan is on the money IMHO.

( The internal roll bar is a good idea too. I have three steel struts accross in mine, makes that point on cabin very rigid in case you pop the windscreen (or roll it) )

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Sunday, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:34

Sunday, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:34
Thanks Convict, you have given me a bright idea...........

Been looking for a job to do on the Troopy whilst holed-up for the summer and Dynamat in the cab is the answer. Doors, floor & firewall.
Dynamat is pretty exxy but after searching I found it on eBay, in Australia, for around half the price of audio shops.

Just occurred to me that an alternative place to mount speakers in a Troopy is to install an overhead shelf above the windscreen using ply, MDF or similar, covered in vinyl or carpet. Then fit the speakers in each end of the shelf. The only problem will be that one speaker of the pair will be much closer to the ears than the other so will diminish the stereo effect.

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Follow Up By: Member - a convict - Sunday, Nov 18, 2012 at 12:03

Sunday, Nov 18, 2012 at 12:03
Hi Allan

..two cents worth, suspect you will find spkr in doors
are a better local for good/better sound, just like pic below.
Big cavity seems to help.

Dynamat 'Extreme, ..do cab first, everywhere, wot u got
left divide between doors. U do not need to do all the door surface, do strips, like on Dynamat instuctions, it breaks up harmonic 'nodes'.

Too easy to do in door spkrs with door panels off. U can get 'clip together' plastic eyelets off the antenna people
for door-to-dash via way, and thread wire through 'heat
shrink' (ex Jaykar), measured against door in fully open
position, and the lot through eyelets, a touch of the hair drier, job will be solid, and possibly even water proof.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Sunday, Nov 18, 2012 at 13:11

Sunday, Nov 18, 2012 at 13:11
Thanks Convict, I do have a fairly good understanding about speaker enclosures and sound in general. Agreed that speakers in car doors benefit from the door cavity although, unless that cavity is acoustically lined, there can be unwelcome reflections and resonances generated.
Certainly I would place a pad of something like carpet on the door inner surface directly behind the speaker.

Personally I dislike the sound coming from the direction of my feet but it may not bother others.

I have placed an eBay order for enough Dynamat to treat the doors and floor of my Troopy. All up $298 with free shipping. I would comment that this stuff is superior to simple closed-cell foam and similar. Dynamat is composed of butyl rubber which is mass loaded with barium sulphate or similar. It is this mass that absorbs the lower sound frequencies whilst being supported within the pliant rubber reduces retransmissions. Further, being attached to the steel panel it reduces resonant vibration of the panel. Simple foam helps but is nowhere near as effective as this Dynamite (or similar) material.

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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Saturday, Nov 17, 2012 at 23:13

Saturday, Nov 17, 2012 at 23:13
When I had my trayback I had these speakers put in the door.



Sounded good. I changed the head unit to an Alpine as well, that helped.

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Reply By: pete69 - Sunday, Nov 18, 2012 at 09:25

Sunday, Nov 18, 2012 at 09:25
wow, thanks heaps for the replies and the detail you have included in them. definitely going to cancel the idea of replacing the dash speakers, do some more research and get the sounds happening properly. we have a campervan conversion that we have lived in for 4 months and plan to do the same for another year at least. not being able to crank up the tunes we like has been driving us nuts. time to chuck a little money and time at the problem.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Sunday, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:10

Sunday, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:10
Peter,

One of my speakers needed replacing, so bought a pair from Jaycar. Made a blue and ordered 8 ohm ones instead of 4 ohm, but they work okay. Bit of fiddling around, as had to cut 2 tabs off the new ones, and glue on the hard foam surround off the originals. And of course you have to remove the glove box and speedo.
Plan to upgrade the head unit, and speakers before we start travelling.

Agree with the others that the position and performance of original speakers leaves a lot to be desired. Might be difficult to mount a/m ones on the dash, better to place on the doors, or even up high, behind the seats.

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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Nov 18, 2012 at 18:58

Sunday, Nov 18, 2012 at 18:58
Like Bob,
I also replaced the original dash speakers with aftermarket ones - also had to trim off two of the tabs also used thicker speaker wire and you'll probably find you'll need to space the speakers up a little with some washers to stop the centre cone touching the metal grille.
I also added 6" door speakers and hooked them up to the rear circuits.

The overall result is a considerable improvement but still falls well short of a new vehicle with a quiet cab.
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