Big trip in a leased vehicle

Submitted: Friday, Nov 23, 2012 at 13:47
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Hi Folks

Planning a lap (or part of a lap) in a year or two, and wondered if anyone had experience of doing it in a vehicle under a novated lease. I'll be on 6 months long-service when we do the trip, so still earning the same income while away and the lease on my current vehicle expires about a year before planned departure.

Once you've made the necessary pre-tax contributions to satisfy FBT, all additional costs are effectively coming from pre-tax $$, which means there's a 38% saving on fuel, maintenance etc. which can be claimed back with receipts. Obviously the km's will impact the re-sale value, but there would appear to be some big upsides. Modifications are also eligible to come from pre-tax $$. Haven't really considered doping the trip in a new car until this thought came to mind, so any advice or experience would be welcome.

Cheers... Mossman
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Friday, Nov 23, 2012 at 14:51

Friday, Nov 23, 2012 at 14:51
Mossman
Check on the modifications with your accountant, ATO or lease company.
I was told that all mods had to be before handover and included in the purchase price from the dealer by the lease company my employer used.

I had to fight hard to get a roo bar accepted as a deduction post purchase, eventually got it, but could justify it. Don't think I would have had the same luck if trying to claim a 2nd battery install or rear draws post purchase.

Mark
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Follow Up By: Mossman - Friday, Nov 23, 2012 at 15:09

Friday, Nov 23, 2012 at 15:09
Thanks Mark... I think you're right in that having the mods as part of the overall lease cost is much easier than subsequently getting them reimbursed, but my lease company thus far haven't questioned anything where I've sought reimbursement. As long as they keep getting the lease payments from payroll and there's money in the account to reimburse the claims, they're not that concerned.

But I'm yet to ask for something like a set of rear draws!
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Reply By: Member - John - Friday, Nov 23, 2012 at 18:08

Friday, Nov 23, 2012 at 18:08
G'day, not sure you can claim mods, I can only claim replacement parts on my novated lease car. I would get mods done before purchase so they can be included in the lease costs, or check that mods can be claimed. I have travelled for three months with my lease car, no problems at all. Enjoy your trip. John
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Reply By: Alex O - Friday, Nov 23, 2012 at 22:20

Friday, Nov 23, 2012 at 22:20
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Reply By: Member - There Yet - Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 09:04

Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 09:04
Hi Mossman,

Hubbie and I have recently completed a 3 month trip up the centre and west coast in a vehicle on a novated lease. Our lease also has an after tax element to it. We increased our payments prior to trip to help cover fuel expenses. We covered just over 21,000 klm's and the final fuel cost was just over a 5 thousand dollars. Not having to worry about the costs of fuel, maintenance and and any repairs that may have been needed made for a more enjoyable trip.

Whatever modifications you want to the vehicle I would suggest including at the time of purchase.

Cheers

Kerry and Steven
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 09:32

Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 09:32
Hi Mossman,

Have you checked out the new rules for novated lease vehicles? The old 15K, 25K & 40K distance travelled FBT rates have all changed, now its all equivalent to 15K distance :(

My vehicle is currently on the 25K distance FBT rate and it used to be tax effective to buy a vehicle this way. My lease expires next year and I have to move on to the new rules, means there is very little incentive to use a novated lease compared to just buying the vehicle. Usually one can get a much better interest rate direct than the one offered by a leasing company - the tax break made the higher interest rate effective, but now I see very little benefit, especially for any vehicle that is above the luxury tax threshold.

Point being, if you are re-leasing it is best to do your sums carefully as it may not be in your interests to novate lease now. But if the sums still come out in your favour, there certainly are ways to have virtually any expense covered within your lease.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Alan S (WA) - Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 09:53

Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 09:53
Captain

You are right about the reduction in tax benefits and that it may be just as cost effective to buy outright.
There is still the benefit on new vehicles of getting the fleet discount and GST benefits on new costs and operating.


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Follow Up By: Member - There Yet - Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 21:37

Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 21:37
What a bummer,

was going to re release the 4b next year but hubbie has just explained the new rules to me. Going to have to rethink this one..

Kerry.
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:41

Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:41
How do you think I feel being in the >40 000km bracket. Lease companies just didn't understand the higher kms should also reduce the residual value. One reason I am hanging onto my vehickle for longer, the some brands make wonderfully reliable vehicles.

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Reply By: briann532 - Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 08:20

Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 08:20
I'd check with your bean counter and or the ATO.

I'm a tradie and was able to claim after market items.
I needed that inverter to charge my makita batteries.
The fridge keeps my lunch and drinks cold.
Drawers were essential for all my tools.
Roof racks are a necessity.
Mud tyres for dirt road driving and muddy building sites.
etc etc.

I also got out of leasing and use CHP now. No GST.
Some can, some can't.
Depends on your employment status etc etc.
Do some checking first, it could save a lot of money.
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Reply By: Member - Daryl N (NSW) - Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 16:23

Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 16:23
Hi Mossam
Did a 3 month trip a few years back in a novated lease vehicle. The only mnor issue was the lease company we were with only had Caltex or BP fuel cards. Once we were up north they were not common and we had to tax receipts and claim re-imbursments which we did when we got home. I seem to remember we had to claim a couple of thousand at the end.
We we able to do modifications to our car when we first ordered it in 2007 and for a period of time aftewards. In about 2010 the rules changed and we were no longer able to claim any modifications. Suggest you check with lease company
Cheers
Daz
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