Electronics with diesels!!!!!!!

Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 04, 2012 at 21:50
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Iv'e posted before stating how electronics are pretty reliable with the later vehicles,



I've changed my mind!!!, the electronic governor on the injector pump of my excavator has failed,.. Big Bucks!, can only source replacement part from manufacturer in Japan, ...This could be the same deal with the later 4bys.

My thoughts now!......Stuff Electronics!

Cheers Axle
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Reply By: Member - Tony S (WA) - Tuesday, Dec 04, 2012 at 23:28

Tuesday, Dec 04, 2012 at 23:28
Hi Axle,

I agree to a point. Electronics are normally reliable these days however if something does go wrong, as they say, you are up the creek without a paddle. You cannot fix the dam thing yourself!

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Reply By: Ross M - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 00:07

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 00:07
G'day Axle
Yeah. most stuff is reliable, far more reliable than most previous gear But issues can still happen.
If the governor is external on the pump but is working in a very hot environment, then that could be the problem and not the inherent reliability.

From some past experience with failed items, namely full electronic distributors, a friend and I made a vacuum cleaner hose run from cooler site and with a computer fan fed cool air onto the electronics. After that no failures despite the vehicle being used in far hotter situation and working harder.
So, if heat related, cooling the gear may work and prevent the heat being an issue.

If your item uses HALL EFFECT sensors to detect revs then they often suffer heat failure.
The governor may be ok just Hall sensor stuffed. An electronics whiz may be able to fix it for you, as long as they know what it is supposed to do as they may not be mechanically minded to see the application.

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Follow Up By: Axle - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 15:26

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 15:26
G/Day Ross, Its all internal bolted to the <back of the pump,

It has a wiring harness fed in through the top of the housing and into a connecter which then feeds the power to the govenor mechanism.The problem lies in that connecter which is a totally sealed unit, also any wear in the magnetic side of things also renders it useless.

Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Jeff P - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 22:55

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 22:55
Should have bought a Cat best warrenty, best back up ,no I dont work for Cat anymore but the injection hasn,t worn off !!
Jeff
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Reply By: Bush Wanderer - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 01:11

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 01:11
As they say electronics are 1000 times more reliable then their mechanical cousins. When the mechanical cousins fail, they often fail gracefully, whereas electronics failures can be catastrophic.
I hope it works out for you.
BW.
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 06:03

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 06:03
Troll of the week huh Axle?

Why just diesels? Petrols have the same amount of electronics.

People forget how unreliable old cars were. Living in lala land.

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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 06:42

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 06:42
Amen to that. I used to live under my cars when I was young. I think cars have improved out of sight in every way possible. So what if you are outback and a flux capacitor blows? If you worry that much that it's going to happen then you should stay home I reckon. For minimal electronics, ride a camel. They have the same perfomance and comfort as an early diesel. :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 07:15

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 07:15
And since they usually go in single lines, if you fart on a camel you can always blame the one in front just like unleaded cars.

I still have scars from working on my first few cars, though one was a Land Rover, but that might be the subject of a whole different thread (revisited again....)
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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 10:17

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 10:17
I didn't think Diesels had electronics - well you learn something new each day !
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 12:32

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 12:32
The "good' ones don't Scott..hehehe
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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 15:18

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 15:18
pop, can disconnect the battery and she still keeps on running......
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Follow Up By: Axle - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 15:53

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 15:53
BooBook, Are you talking T model fords or what??


I can't remember old Holdens, Fords, Valiants giving to much trouble,.... Not to the point of leaving you in the chit, like a lot of later model Holdens and such do with their sensors and especially commodores and their crank sensors My daughters Subie only goes three days a week average always electrical probs.

Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 20:10

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 20:10
Axle,
I can remember a few little problems with old holdens. Grey motors.

Heads carboned up, stripped lay shafts, slipping clutches, carby jets u/s, carby needle and seats worn out or jammed, dissy caps u/s and rotors broken, ht leads breaking down, spark plugs not lasting a long time, hoses and belts dying, gearshifts jamming, broken rockers, broken valve springs, overheating, stripped timing gears and it goes on. Some even had brakes that worked.

Those engines needed an in frame overhaul before 100000k and a rebuild between 160000 and 200000.

Vehicles have come a long way since then. I can remember swearing at them many times as I barked my knuckles.

Lest we forget,
RA.

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Reply By: Rockape - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 07:15

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 07:15
Hello Axle,
sorry to hear your digger is out of action.

Greatest problem is the price of components and availability rather than them breaking.
A set of electronic injectors for a small engine around 4 to 6K fitted where the old injectors in my case I replaced for $500 and that was 8 top of the line units.

Electronics are very reliable on the whole even when subjected to heat and humidity.

Underground units operate in high heat and high humidity with rock temps at times around 50 degrees and humidity to 100%. Some will say you can't have high temps and high humidity but u/g can.

The greatest problems experienced by the auto sparkies are mechanical damage and fitters that probe the wiring with those spike test lamps. The wiring is the greatest problem. Water in plugs and green death.

Hope it is fixed soon,
RA.

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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 08:26

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 08:26
Have to agree, the availability of parts and cost are over the top in most gear..... It's good to see Caterpillar has reasonable pricing and most parts are available locally or over night.

The biggest issue with parts are Yanmar, Sumitomo, Kawasaki and believe it Komatshu.

And as you said reliability of electronics is very good.

Green death is not to bad if you get to it quickly...... it's when it's eaten the pins you start to worry........ especially if the wiring isn't long enough or in a difficult place to get to...... nothing like a 6 hour cab lift for 40 minutes of work.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 15:35

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 15:35
Thanks RA, Yeah getting the goddamn parts is the frustrating thing.

Its a Sumitomo and my third one, First time for this particular part to fail., But in saying that i waited three wks for a valve retainer to come from Japan for the cruiser.

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 09:13

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 09:13
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Modern electronic devices have become very reliable, however a minor problem in an Engine Management System can render a vehicle immobile.
By far the most common fault in electrics or electronics is water or humidity contamination either within the device or in the associated connectors. This either produces electrical leakage or corrosion.

Some automotive connectors are designed to be "waterproof" but this is usually only reliable for the first few years until the seal deforms. A good strategy is to seal all connectors in the looms and on the devices with self-amalgamating tape or similar. For oddly shaped situations where tape is difficult to apply, a putty-like material such as Coax Seal (Jaycar) can be moulded around the component. These materials can be easily removed if need be. Cured silicon will also do a good job but is difficult to remove if access is required.

Connections in the engine bay and under the vehicle are at most risk particularly if you ford creeks or do any beach driving but even humidity can eventually cause corrosion problems with electrical contacts and connections. Changes in temperature and air pressure cause moisture-laden air to be "pumped" in and out of the enclosures leaving behind moisture to feed corrosion.

So..... Slip, Slop, Slap the waterproofing!



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Reply By: pop2jocem - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 12:30

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 12:30
Even a stone age dinosaur like me would have to agree that todays electronic engine/transmission management systems are pretty reliable. For me the older mechanical system was a little easier to diagnose and sometimes a "bush fix" could get you mobile again. Try arguing with an ECM that doesn't want to play anymore (:-(( Even tried wacking one with a screw driver, still wouldn't cooperate..(insert suitable expletives)

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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 20:19

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 20:19
I guess their is not much you can do about the excavator Axle - but with our cars there is.

The cost of fuel pumps , injectors etc was about 5 or 6 to 1 when I considered the 200 series diesel against the petrol Patrol I bought.

The low cost means I carry some of these vital components now.

Worth considering if one strays far from the main roads.

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