Hayman-Reese WDH Query

Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 07:58
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I have a slightly embarrassing request for assistance.
I am picking up our new Jayco Outback Discovery on Friday. In preparation - I pulled my Hayman-Reese WDH apart to spray it but now realise that I didn't mark which holes it was setup to connect to [the holes on the adjustable vertical section]!!

Does anyone have a similar towing setup and could tell me the height that you set yours to so that I can be at least 'ready' to hookup? Photo would also be helpful. I realise there are a few variables but I just need to have a starting-point. Otherwise - I have to roll up to pick up the van and try and assemble it then - which I prefer not to do - if possible.

Thank you.
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Reply By: ozjohn0 - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 08:11

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 08:11
Garytee,
It probably a good thing that you can't remember which holes you had the WDH set at as with each new van it would need to be reset anyway to match the height of the coupling and the new ball weight.
Ozjohn.
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Reply By: Member - SNOLLYGHOSSTER - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 08:17

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 08:17
Hi Gary


OzJohn is right. Ring Jayco and ask them to measure the height from the ground to the underside of the ball coupler and then set your WDH at that same height. It will not be exact but will be close and could be used as a starting point.

Enjoy the new van.
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Follow Up By: GEMAC Solar and Power - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 08:40

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 08:40
remind me again why if you have the correct tug and matching van do you need a WDH?
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Follow Up By: garytee - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 09:17

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 09:17
You probably don't 'need' one - but it certainly doesn't hurt.
I would rather be over-protected than on the borderline.

Just me I guess.
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 09:40

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 09:40
Had this question to me yesterday from my neighbour who is getting a van and a new car (Lucky person or what) but both suppliers said she didn't "need" one. I asked her why she wouldn't use one as the aim of the device is to distribute the weight to the front so that all the weight isn't just sitting on the towball.

I have no idea how exactly it does this but it does and it makes perfect sense to me to have the weight distrbuted rather than sitting at the most extreme end of the car. It really doesn't matter if this is 150kg or 350 kg it still makes sense to me. However I've been wrong before (the bride will attest to that) and I may be wrong here so please tell me.

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Follow Up By: Bush Wanderer - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 10:59

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 10:59
Gemac solar, this is probably because most Australian trailer manufactures like to have ball weight at around 10% of the trailer weight. That kind of weight for more heavy trailers will make the rear sag generally regardless of tow vehicle, and a wdh hitch will level things out and transfer some of the weight to the front axle.
European trailer manufacturers work on 5%, and there are a few manufacturers in oz now that balance them at 5%....and these are much nicer to tow.
Wdh does come with complications in certain circumstances.
BW.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 18:42

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 18:42
Quote "remind me again why if you have the correct tug and matching van do you need a WDH?"

Well for starters Ford, Holden, Mitsubishi and Toyota either recommend or require WDH to be used, particularly for heavier towing loads.

The tow ball is mounted at a distance of around 50% of the wheelbase behind the rear axle centre. The older Discos are over 60% and the newer ones are a lot less. Working on an overhang of 50%, If you load 300 kg on to the ball you will lighten the front axle by 150 kg. So where does that 150 kg go to, it is transferred to the rear axle. That means we now have 450 kg of loading on the rear axle. Many large vans will have a 300 kg or more ball weight if they are going to be stable.

Now look at a specific vehicle. The Landcruiser 200 series is a particularly popular tug. The various models have a spread of tare weights, lets take an average - 2680 kg. The GVM is 3300 kg, leaving a loading allowance of 630 kg. When loading vehicles very little of the load goes onto the front axle. So we now load the vehicle most of the weight going on the rear axle. A likely load will be 2 x 80 kg driver/passenger (160 kg) 82 litres of fuel (82 x 0.745 = 62 kg) and the 450 kg imposed by the ball weight if we are not using WDH. This makes a total of nearly 670 kg on the rear axle. If the 450 kg was a load distributed in the cab with the rear seats folded a little would be imposed on the front wheels and you would not have that 150 kg removed from the font wheels.

How much is that going to overload the rear axle? If you put any more loading in the tug the rear axle will certainly be overloaded. Every Cruiser 200 with a tinny on top will certainly be overloaded if there is no WDH fitted.

The big exception where WDH is not required is the Patrols. We all know that Nissan says that WDH is not recommended with their tow bars (even though they have WDH as accessories on their USA web sit for the same vehicles.) However they specify GVM reductions for the higher ball loadings. For example, in the GU Y61 wagon the GVM is reduced by 300 kg. Similar GVM reductions should also be applied to other vehicles if you are not using WDH. If you took 300 kg off the Cruiser you would not have much allowance for the fuel and you would have to leave the cook at home.

If you are towing heavy loads you need a WDH to shift the apparent point of your drawbar load further forward than the tow ball.

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Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 09:43

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 09:43
Ring the dealer and ask them what height the tow hitch is! They should be able to get fairly close.
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Reply By: Member - Old Girl - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 10:19

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 10:19
If its new it should be included in buying the van, the set up of the towing hitch that is I thought. With that they should be happy to make sure all is right when you get there. Doesn't take much time to change it. Just as a quick guide though ours is set up with one hole left, its two on our old car 76 series. The tow hitch on the van is recessed in the draw bar which proved to be a pain with hooking up to our 76 series (the jockey wheel wouldn't go high enough) but on our 200 with upgraded suspension it works ok. Now if you have a dual cab this changes the whole thing again. As I said before its probably easier just to get the dealer to help you out.
Enjoy your new van
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Follow Up By: garytee - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 10:38

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 10:38
Thanks OldGirl. Is that one hole from the top or bottom?
I'm sure Page Bros will be happy to help out - just wanted to be 'partly' organised.
Thank you for eveyone's feedback and wishes.
See you 'out there'.

Gary
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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 17:11

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 17:11
Just went and had a look, pardon me for getting it wrong but on the 200 its at it lowest setting. The 76 had one hole spare on the bottom. Hope you can make sence of that. Remember the hitch on our van (basestation) is recessed for some stupid reason not a lot of vans are.
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Reply By: member - mazcan - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 10:57

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 10:57
hi garytee
for starters you have asked a question and havent given anyone the slightest clue as what tow vehicle you will be using
and secondly if the dealer knows how to treat a customer he will make it his business to assist you in setting everything up in respect to a safe towing system and should if he knows his salt be able advise you or have a staff member their to give the required imfo
depending on whether your vehicle is loaded for take off /trip ready-- or whether its an unloaded vehicle will have a very marked affect on what holes and adjustment is required getting these adjustments right is paramount to a safe drivable set up
i always say if its worth doing-- do it right the first time
cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Tricky Dicky (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 11:49

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 11:49
well said
Tricky
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Reply By: Member - Tricky Dicky (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 11:43

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 11:43
Hi Garytee
you don't mention what tow vehicle you have? i have the Patrol and my tow ball height is around 450 mm from the ground to base of ball.
when i bought our jayco sterling the jayco dealer wouldn't let me leave their yard until they were happy that our set up was level and safe I hope your dealer is just as helpful.

Tricky
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Follow Up By: garytee - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 15:50

Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 15:50
Sorry - NT Pajero - nothing in the back.
I'm sure they will be helpful but I just wanted to be 'organised'.

Gary
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