Engel repair Perth

Ross M

could you answer this for me please?...following your test procedure I see you are looking for 20v ac to the compressor

I have never actually thought about whether the Engels, when powered by 240vc are stepped down to 12 vdc.........or the 12v dc is stepped up to ac via an inverter

you mention an inverter so it ...... seems that either power source is converted to an operating 20v ac?

this next query is liitle off topic but ..In the case of a Waeco it is powered by 12v dc in regardless..so what happens in their case..operating voltage wise?

Hope this hasnt hijacked the OP but the answers in the case of the Wngel is relevant for any body testing themselves ..as many of us may be when away from service centers

Thanks

bungarra
The Engel uses 12v to run a power inverter to make around 20 V AC.
In other words the 12v is switched on and off into a transformer and stepped up to 20v.
The power box also uses/can use 240v AC and when use it is dropped to around 20v AC and it runs the compressor.
So Both power sources are modified with either electronics and/or circuitry to match the SO CALLED swing motor.
I might add, there is no swing to it at all. It is an oscillating compressor
which is a solenoid with a operating a piston which pumps gas. It just slides back and forth like a spool vale does in an auto transmission.

Waeoc use a Danfoss 12vDC compressor similar to a house fridge and it needs 12v DC. So the inputs fed to it are either 12vDC od 12vDC via a stepdown transformer/electronic switchmode power supply like a Laptop has. Just different and yes both are electronically controlled and operate the compressor via the thermostat. Some have a soft start action to the electronics too.

What I outlined re test is what I have done years ago to check the situation of the fridge and I fitted electric fans to some long before Engel ever did.
I am not a fridge mechanic I come from an Automotive Technician Technical Engineering background.
Fridges are really simple things but use some complicated physics/electronics and thermodynamics in their design.

Then again I might know bugger all about everything.

Cheers
Ross M

Thanks Ross

much appreciated...now filed in brain for future error trapping ...hopefully never needed

Graeme

Hi
..At a guess more Toyotas in for "repair" at moment compared to say Great Wall. Does this represent valid proof that Great Wall is more reliable or just that far less people have them? Figure there will be more Engels around than Waecos...so even if reliability of both products the same there would be heaps more in for a service.

Cheers
Greg

A mates waecos bleep itself in Alice a while back, it had to be sent back to WA.The place where he was organising this had a stack of said units waiting. This brand never for me.

Heaps more 20 year old Engels than 6 month old Waecos in for repair.....makes sense!

and more people get their engel repaired because the will go for another 10 years....Waecos are throw away items unless they're less than 5 years old.

Gday Grundle,
What shop did your mate take his Waeco to? Not the right one obviously.......repairs can be done in Alice. No need to send it away.......and if needed they will give you a loan fridge while they work on it. And Id be quite supprised if the Waeco agent he sent his fridge to didnt have a heap in for repair, he's a repair agent.........probably find the Engle agent has aheap of Engles too?
LOL

Gday D-Jack,
"More people get their Engels repaired" is hardly a good argument for reliability is it??? LOL
And Im not sure what you base your comment of "Waecos are throw away items unless they're less than 5 years old." on......My Waeco is 7-8 years old now and Im not considering throwing it away????
Neither is a mate who has two it the back of his ute that never get turned off ( one is the same age as mine). Ive used both Engel and Waeco and have a good run out of both in the same conditions. I know people who have wrecked them both in the same conditions.
So many people compare the two and all too often they dont know the history of the fridges..........one may live on the back of a ute and used every day and one may live in the shed and get put in the back of the Sahara twice a year.
I decided to give a Waeco a go because the shape was much more practical than an Engel and a bleep load cheaper at the time, and have convinced me with their reliability and would consider another one when needed.

Cheers

I use both the 40 litre Engel and the CF40 Waeco – whilst the Waeco was about 15% cheaper, it was false economy – the Engel takes 60 cans within the evaporator zone - the Waeco takes about 30. Not really cheaper when you compare useable space per dollar. The inside of a Waeco has a lot of wasted space, outside its evaporator (cooling) zone.

Each to their own I suppose.........Ive never filled my fridges full of cans so everything in my fridge doesnt need to be instantly the same temp. In fact Ive never noticed one area of the fridge much different to another, except of course the butter/ fruit area. Everything goes in cold and seems to come out cold too, and never bothered to physically measure the fridge either.
The main reason I bought a Waeco (60L) was the shape........I wanted to put it in a 80 series. The waeco fits in with one rear seat folded up and the engel need both, which makes a lot of difference. Also the Waeco fits on the fridge draw on Tanami Draws where the Engel wont so it wastes heaps of normaly usable room........then there was the $600 price difference, which I believe isnt as bad any more.

You don’t fill them with cans! – I thought that’s what they were for.
So that’s why the missus keeps trying to squeeze food in between the gaps.

LOL.........I have 2 big eskys for beer, and no food allowed in them!

Gday Hairy,Dont remember the name but i it would have been a Waeco place.It was stuffed and had to be sent back to Perth at his expence. He was bleep of and went and bought a ENGEL.They ended up giving him a new one when we got back, which he then sold.Not a good look for Waeco.

The company is called Engleland and located Unit 3 / 15 Kirke Street, Balcatta. (Just off Halley Road)

Had my old egel repaired there adn bought my new one from them, good people

I've always sourced my Engel parts from this mob in Balcatta - always found them great to deal with

http://www.engeland.com.au/welcome.toy

Unfortunately Trevor didn't provide much info as to the fault re observations about the fridge.
He says it stopped cooling, and like Geoff said it could be a coolant leak IF the compressor is running.
If the compressor isn't running then it won't cool on either 12v or 240v.

I have commented from the point of view of voltage and compressor troubles and, you Geoff, have commented about a possible refridgerant leak/depletion.
If a slightly more involved initial diagnosis/observation was given then we would all be able to focus on what could be the real issue.

Many people seem to ask about theiir troubles without ever thinking much about the problem.
If Trevor's compressor was running, surely he would have heard it and be able to say either yes or no to compressor and then the replies will actually mean something.
As it stands he is forced to seek repair as nothing can be eliminated.