V8 cruiser injector testing - sunshine coast / brisbane

Submitted: Saturday, Jan 05, 2013 at 22:17
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hello to all out there from a newbie to this forum
i know there is a bunch of info ( and some horror stories) in here re the new v8 cruisers and injector knock and or seal failure etc ....
but...
can anyone recommend a good diesel shop on the sunshine coast / nth brissy that they have used to get their squirters tested and generally diagnosed

speaking from experience ( and i am an older school diesel mechanic) the dealers themselves tend to be hit and miss with workmanship and quality, i would rather go to diesel specialist that has history with the common rail toyota engines...

thanks in advance
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Reply By: Ross M - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 00:22

Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 00:22
G'day gmax
Most good diesel shops have electronic scan gear and can use it to drop cylinders during operation to get power balance/isolate noise sources and a number of other pieces of info to help pinpoint issues.
Electronically cracking injector lines I suppose you could call it. Dangerous with CRD engines to crack a pipe nut.

Toyota dealers should have the ability to test this with their stuff it is just hard to find someone at a dealers who knows how to use and interpret the data.
if you have to use a delayer/dealer then you need to be right there with them so you can ask the essential questions and not just rely on there reporting back to you. Lots can be lost in translation.
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 00:24

Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 00:24
Sorry wrong there/their/they're go with the middle one.
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Reply By: The Bantam - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 11:26

Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 11:26
While I understand there is diagnostic software and so forth, I do not believe the equipment exists....at least not commonly...to test individual common rail injectors like it does for the traditional types.

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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 11:35

Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 11:35
Been around for years and common rail has been around since the late 90"s.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 12:28

Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 12:28
Yes... but do they or do they not have the ability to test and calibrate individual common rail injectors like they can old style injectors.

AND if this equipment exists, its it as commonly available as the equipment for conventional injectors.

cheers
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Reply By: olcoolone - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 11:33

Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 11:33
Any Denso certified CRD workshop can and also Toyota, there are set guild lines for testing CRD injectors and it has to be done cold and hot.

Most stuff you read on the net you have to take with a pinch of salt...... two people bitch about their problem and mysteriously it festers into sounding like they all do it.

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Reply By: gke - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 12:29

Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 12:29
Hi gmax, No affiliation, just a happy customer of North Coast Diesel Nambour- 5441 2933.

Cheers, Graham.
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Follow Up By: gmax - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 13:22

Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 13:22
Thanks fellas
Am well aware of the tests that can and can't be done, I am a diesel mech myself for a long time now, just needed a heads up on any recommended workshops people have had dealings with
I too miss the old days if simply changing out a set of nozzles, or spill timing a an old 2H Tojo and getting that satisfaction of being able to do it all myself, but those days are gone ...

Cheers for the new year
G
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Follow Up By: gmax - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 09:22

Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 09:22
thanks Graham !
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Reply By: Ross M - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 13:42

Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 13:42
Gmax
You can do it yourself and having the basic knowledge you have gained from experience in the field you may be open to trying electronic stuff too.

If you give LAUNCH diagnostic, Bill Mahoney at this email address

admin@launchvic.com.au

He will tell you what is possible for your application.
Of course there is a learning curve and if you aren't a tech literate person if may be challenging. Approx cost of the gear is $3000 +

Hanatech diagnostis is another if your interest leans toward this type of gear.

PS although expensive, one tester/diagnostic machine can pay for itself on just one vehicle problem and you then have it for future use and to help repair/diagnose other makes others too.

Check it out, could be a REVelation for you.
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Reply By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 18:49

Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 18:49
Yes you can buy a Denso Toyota Intelligent tester. They can individually shut down any injector, test fuel pressures, scan for faults and reprogram the install of new injectors. Plus a heap of other stuff.

You will need the toyota workshop manual (CD) and a good working knowledge of mechanics.

I bought one of these from this website and it works quite well.
http://www.autoobd2.co.uk/wholesale/toyota-intelligent-tester-it2.html



The newer CRD injectors are not serviceable so either they work or not. Of course they can get out of tolerable allowances and this is the severe precombustion knock that some people talk about. The Denso Intelligent tester will assess which injector is the noisy one and how far out of tolerance the injector has become. Then you can purchase these injectors online (best place) for around the $500 each.

This pricing and type of issue is the same for all new CRD vehicles and not particular to Toyota. Any new Common Rail Diesel injectors will cost the same. A good thing is they should last around 200,000 km unless you use poor quality fuel.

Sorry I can't help with a service centre in Queensland.

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Follow Up By: gmax - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 09:26

Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 09:26
thanks for the heads up serendipity
this certainly looks like a good (last) chrissie present for myself...

does this have the ability to 'short' out individual cylinders or however its done in the ECU ??
( i have used old DDEC systems on industrial sized GMs where u actually do cylinder checks by dropping all cyls out , one by one, and compare rpm drop etc etc )

it certainly looks to be the item i need to be looking into !

appreciated
gmax
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Follow Up By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 09:55

Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 09:55
Hi Gmax
Yes you can shut down one cylinder at a time with this tester hooked up to your ECU using the OBC port located under the dash on the drivers side.

The unit only comes with instructions on how to turn it on and the different menu options. You have to separately purchase the workshop manual CD from Toyota for all the details on what to do with the Denso Intelligent tester and all the fault numbers. Toyota dealerships generally deny the CD exists but if you quote the part number they suddenly seem to be able to find it. Part number SC0582EB - and if they seem to not find it go to another dealer. Also the CD is put together poorly as a compilation of scanned hard copies and new electronic manuals from around 2001 to 2012 models of the 70 series. It takes a bit of getting used to when finding the information. Needs a windows XP running explorer to read. (but there is a workaround for Macs)

Hope that helps.

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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 12:05

Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 12:05
Hello Serendipity,
Do you happen to know if that disgnoistic tool works on the older 78-79 Series Landcruisers with the factory 1HD-FTE TD6?

The computers in the 78-79 are different to the 100 Series of the equivalent years. A scan gauge will not work on the 78-79 1HD-FTE TD6 as they use MOBD protocol (so I'm told) rather than OBD2 like the TDV8 and the 100 Series 1HD-FTE TD6.

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Follow Up By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 12:51

Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 12:51
Hi Geoff

In a way you are lucky as you don't have the CRD system and the injectors are not controlled electronically. A more robust system and almost the same power output with less electronics.

I am not sure just what the computer on your car is controlling. I don't believe the Denso Intelligent tester is compatible with your car.

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