Land Rover Discovery 4 2012/13 models

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Hi all, I am considering a new vehicle purchase and am impressed with the Land Rover Disco 4. My main concern with these vehicles is the electrics and long term durability of the disco in the bush or outback roads. Some say that they may not be as reliable off road as one would like. Does anyone have experience of any negative issues with the Disco 4 late model.
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Reply By: Graeme - Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 16:20

Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 16:20
I have a 2012 D4 3.0l and am thrilled with it. In 12 months I have done 38,000km with no problems.
I have been up through the centre and the west and on such roads as the Chambers Pillar road, Bungles road and to El Questro as well as the Mereenie Loop, all which are very rough roads and have had no problems. All this on 19" Cooper Zeons and I did not get a puncture. I drove to the conditions.
I have had a total average economy since new 11.2l/100 and we are impressed how powerful and comfortable this car is. Overtaking road trains is a breeze.
There will be the others who do not own one who will say they are totally unreliable, as their brother-in-laws third cousin had a battery go flat, or some such thing. In fact I would say with my first hand experience the reliability is on par with any modern CRD diesel. I drive a brand new Hilux at work and to say I am not impressed with its reliability and build quality is an understatement.
Podge, go for it and enjoy driving a fine motor vehicle
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Follow Up By: Member - podge - Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 18:20

Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 18:20
Thank you, that's very helpful in assisting me with deciding whether to go for a 200 series LC or the Disco 4. Will be towing a camper trailer.
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Follow Up By: equinox - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 23:03

Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 23:03
I don't know about Landrovers but I do know that I took my old front wheel drive Toyota Corolla up and down the Mereenie Loop road 5 or 6 times with one blown out tyre the only drama.

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Follow Up By: batwings - Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 06:22

Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 06:22
Hi Folks I have a 2012 3.0lt Disco 4 HSE. Here are my recommendations from my experience

* Buy yourself ZU rims from the UK. Europrestige in Mulgrave NSW 2756 (02) 4577 9584 can get them for you for @$500 a pop. They are Dakar spec and rated to 1450kg and far exceed the specs of the GreenOval specs of @900kg. You can rely on then to get you all bolt ons I've mentioned here. Don't ever go out exploring on the 19" as you'll shred the rims from gravel on long corrugations like the Oodnatta Tk

* Slap on Maxxis BigHorn 275/65/R18

* Make sure the software code for the air suspension unit is up to date (as at 4 May 2013) or the safety built into the system will activate prematurely to drop your height when the compressor pump heats up.

* PSI engine management piggy back will give you 700+Nm of torque

* Economy @11.5-12L/100 depending on which tyres you're running on the day

* 120Lt Long Ranger fuel tank

* Front Runner spare wheel carrier and roof rack

* I have over 40K on the clock with no issues other than the air suspension mentioned earlier but no issues since then

Now you have a bulletproof truck

Enjoy
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Reply By: AlbyNSW - Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 19:09

Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 19:09
I have owned three current model Landrover/Rangerovers over the last 10 ish years and I have found them reliable and a pleasure to own but when I go outback I still take the Toyota, not because it is better because it is not but because there are thousands of Toyotas out there and a big dealer support network and more likelyhood of parts on the shelf if needed etc to get me back on the road quicker.
May not be an issue in your situation though?
I found parts and repair costs in line with Jap makes but you do get flogged a bit on resale values but they are a lovely vehicle to drive.
I recall a thread here about 12 months ago of someone who had a 200 series and a Discovery as a tug for a caravan and the Disco gave better economy. A search may find the thread.
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 19:50

Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 19:50
One huge issue is the 19" rims. There haven't been any LT offroad tyres for 19 inch which is the smallest for the D4 now.
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 21:25

Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 21:25
It's a huge issue all right. :-( Tata love the big rims and seem to be putting them on all Land Rovers. All the concept cars have them too. I don't think anyone goes off road at Land Rover anymore.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bob E (NSW) - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 09:21

Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 09:21
You can purchase 18" after market rims for the Disco 4. These rims are designed to rally standard and allow fitment of LT tyres for those who are doing more serious off road adventures.
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 09:27

Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 09:27
I have a mate who bought a new D4 last year and it has 18" rims. It's a bit poor that you have to go after market to get them now. They wouldn't be cheap, that's for sure.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 09:52

Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 09:52
Of course if you are looking at a new D4 the standard wheel size is 19" but if you are after an older D4 with a 2.7 you will get better size options.
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 09:57

Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 09:57
Hey Garry, you probably know I like Land Rovers...but I do worry about the direction they are moving in.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 10:07

Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 10:07
Gary I don't think the 2.7 is available now and hence no sub 19" options any more.

According to my friend who has a 3.0 ( and this has 'mate of mate' type accuracy, so is worth checking LOL) there are, or at least were, some after market 18" rims available from the UK but they had very tight clearance of about 1 mm to the callipers, and have been withdrawn from sale. I am just going by his comments after he researched 18" rims.

Bob E if you know where to get the after market 18" ones for the 3.0 he would be very interested. Can you please post a make, model and where to get them.


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Follow Up By: garrycol - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 10:55

Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 10:55
Mikehzz,

Yes and no - I have a 07 RRS and a much older vehicle and have had other Discos over the years. The RRS is certainly the most reliable vehicle I have owned but I do wonder the logic of some things - looks like they let the techno nerds loose in the design shed and somethings seem odd - like have the mid - ho spec radios integrated into the Canbus so the radio cannot be changed to an aftermarket model without loosing some functionality. However in other areas the design concepts like the suspension is magnificent.

BooBook - as I mentioned if looking at older D4s they will take 18" and maybe 17" but not sure.

18" rims for 3.0 D4s are available from a Landrover accessory specialist in Aust - while not the cheapest wheel they are still reasonable in price.

See this link for the rims GOE 18" Rims
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 11:04

Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 11:04
Thanks for that Garry, I'll let my firend know, I am sure he will be pleased...until he sees the price LOL, at least he has an option now though.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bob E (NSW) - Thursday, May 09, 2013 at 08:52

Thursday, May 09, 2013 at 08:52
Hi Boobook,

Check out the website www.greenoval experience to see availability of 18" rims.

Cheers
Bob
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, May 09, 2013 at 09:48

Thursday, May 09, 2013 at 09:48
Bob, the only thing I can find on that site is a bunch of internet Ad referrals.

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Follow Up By: garrycol - Thursday, May 09, 2013 at 10:27

Thursday, May 09, 2013 at 10:27
I think the site that Bob was trying to point you to is the same one as I gave you.

the home page is www.greenovalexperience.com

Green Oval Experience
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Follow Up By: Member - Bob E (NSW) - Thursday, May 09, 2013 at 11:08

Thursday, May 09, 2013 at 11:08
Yes, thanks Gary. You are right.

The correct site is www.greenovalexperience.com
I had a space that was not required.

Thanks
Bob
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, May 09, 2013 at 11:44

Thursday, May 09, 2013 at 11:44
Garrycol, I like that suspension option. It turns a negative into a positive. Cheap suspension upgrade too. Thanks
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Saturday, May 11, 2013 at 21:22

Saturday, May 11, 2013 at 21:22
I went out on some tough tracks with a D4 with 19" rims today. He had General Grabber 255/55/19 AT's on and they were superb. He made a couple of lifted and locked Land Cruisers look 2nd rate...and that was their words not mine as he effortlessly crawled up a steep track that pulled them both up. All drivers very experienced. Those tyres around $270 each, pretty good for 19's and quite an aggresive pattern for an AT.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 05:13

Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 05:13
Mike, are you sure they are 19 inch? I was pretty sure General don't make a 19" AT. There is a 255/55R18 which isn't LT though.

I may be wrong but it would surprise me.

A passenger construction 55 profile tyre wouldn't "grab" me compared to a 70 profile muddy in rocky / muddy work I gotta say.

However can you point me to a website with it so I can refer it to my mate.

Thanks
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Follow Up By: Bruce-n-Bundi - Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 06:27

Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 06:27
Been available for nearly two years.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 06:50

Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 06:50
I can't find it on the Australian or US sites.
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Follow Up By: Bruce-n-Bundi - Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 07:15

Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 07:15
Here you go on fleabay

19" General Tire
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 08:23

Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 08:23
I'm absolutely positive they were 19's. He bought them in Australia but told me he got the tyre place to ring Grabber head office in Melbourne. We had quite a long discussion about it as this thread was fresh in my mind.
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 08:38

Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 08:38
About the low profile, I'm not a fan. But after seeing the big tyred Land Cruisers bouncing and spinning, kicking up dust, then conking out and then watching this D4 barely spin a wheel...we were all standing there scratching our heads in wonderment (if that's a word).
I would still be worried about pinching a sidewall in the outback with it though.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 20:06

Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 20:06
Hello Podge

We have had this question before on this site and their are posts with research data showing that the Discovery and Jeeps are the worst performing vehicles on reliability.

This data is usually most relevant on vehicles that are a few years old , as one would expect new cars in the first few years of their life are less likely to develop faults.

I have not examined the diso's since 2010 and their electronics were improved but poor then. Its the field I'm in and I stay away from them both. Almost everything in them requires special equipment and information is limited.

With most of our cars these days we are moving further away from being able to fix issues with them or even to be able to do basic service things.

One has also to be realistic and understand that there are few service facilites for these vehicles as well.

The above isn't such an issue if you plan for it properly as more and more don't actually touch there cars anyway, or really go to where you seriously need to be self-sufficent. Even a servre breakdown across the Simpson can mean just a phone call and 1 or 2 days rest provided you have planned in advance with lots of dollars.

If you take care of things such as insurance, road side care , and good communications then one can survive the odd breakdown pretty well.





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Follow Up By: toffytrailertrash - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 12:29

Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 12:29
General Grabber and Coopers both have 19" tyres for the Disco 4 3.0ltr so it is not a great concern anymore. It no longer matters between Land Rover and Land Cruiser whichever one breaks down in the bush it will be a flat top tow either way, they are no longer user friendly.

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Follow Up By: David16 - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 17:45

Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 17:45
We are in Hawker tonight on our way home to Melbourne after completing the following in my 07 Disco Diesel -
1) Birdsville Track Inc Inside track to Birsdville
2) Simpson Desert -QAA - French Line - MT Dare
3) MT Dare to Alice on Binns Track (old Andado rd)
4) Alice to Ularu via Finke Gorge and Boggy Hole
5) Ularu to Alice via Loop rd
6) Alice to MT Dare via Old Ghan Track
7) MT Dare to Coober Pedy via.Oodnadatta
8) Coober Pedy to William Crk
9) William Crk to Hawker via Oodnadatta Track

We averaged 11.4lt per 100kms and used 75 lts across Simpson fully loaded and no issues carwise at all. The only issue we had was a flat on Loop rd, I am running 18s but would not again if possible as the largest I could run was a 265/60/!18 and got a few nicks on the alloys, next time I will get a set of 17 steel rims and run 275/70 ish.

I looked into updating to a D4 and yes the come out with 19s however you can put 18s on but only if you don't get the more powerful motor as they then upgrade the brakes and smllest you can run is 19s!

David
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Follow Up By: DiscoTourer - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 22:50

Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 22:50
David, 18" Goe rims fit the high output diesel...just tested them on a friends high output SDV6 on MY13. Same as my MY12. Brakes are the same size as the low output...only the 2.7 had the smaller brake setup.

I run 285/60-18's.

After having a 100 series and a patrol, this is without any doubt the best 4WD I have owned. Simply no comparison.

Brett.....
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Follow Up By: batwings - Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 06:14

Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 06:14
Hi Folks I have a 2012 3.0lt Disco 4 HSE. Here are my recommendations from a experience

* Buy yourself ZU rims from the UK. Europrestige in Mulgrave NSW 2756 (02) 4577 9584 can get them for you for @$500 a pop. They are Dakar spec and rated to 1450kg and far exceed the specs of the GreenOval specs of @900kg

* Slap on Maxxis BigHorn 275/65/R18

* Make sure the software code for the air suspension unit is up to date (as at 4 May 2013) or the safety built into the system will activate prematurely to drop your height when the compressor pump heats up.

* PSI engine management piggy back will give you 700+Nm of torque
* Economy @11.5-12L/100 depending on which tyres you're running on the day

Now you have a bulletproof truck

Enjoy

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Follow Up By: DiscoTourer - Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 09:53

Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 09:53
G'day batwings,

With the ZU rims, I tried that size at the wa distributor in Malaga in May 2012....they did not fit, but they said that they did. I gather that they must have now changed them as they fit your 3 litre ?

I went with GOE rims. Load rating exceeds LR spec, so the higher spec made of the ZU did not help as the car can't take that rear wait anyway. GOE rims are 980 I think....I am pretty sure that's what is stamped on mine. They are also made by Dakar rally teams.....the wildcats use this brand but in different size of course. Pretty good calliper clearance too unlike what someone else stated.

Do you have much rubbing with the Maxxis.....other than just the front chassis rail ? I am very happy with my 285/60-18's. So far have given them a hiding and they keep bouncing back. The Maxxis would be outstanding.

Just had a service....might have to check the suspension issue (nothing on Topix about it), but other things can cause it to drop to bump stops, so emergency airup is handy. I have the new compressor AKM on my MY 12 (was lucky as they appear to have changed back again) and so far its never had an overheat issue, unlike what I have heard from the hitachi. Was not aware that if compressor got hot, that it dropped.

Had looked at the piggyback computers.....but she has enough torque for our heavy weight towing.

Brett...



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Follow Up By: DiscoTourer - Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 13:17

Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 13:17
Heh Batwings,

I just checked.....my GOE rims are rated at 950....30 kgs more than the factory rims,

I also had a look at the ZU rims.....just wondering if they have fixed the issue with adding a spacer to the wheel ? If so, looking at the previous offset would make them illegal...If thats what has occured. Can't confirm this through checking their site, but I would be checking if I was to purchase some extras spare for my camper trailer.......just to be sure, then you can satisfy my curiosity.

Brett....
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Follow Up By: DiscoTourer - Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 15:40

Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 15:40
Batwings....me again...sorry mate.

Offset is 36mm for these rims....just spoke to them.

They are not legal as maximum is 25mm....I believe.

Did they tell you about this ?

Regards,

Brett.....
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Follow Up By: batwings - Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 08:34

Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 08:34
Hi Brett thanks for the post.

The offset laws are based on the min/max track of manufacturer's spec and not each rim so a rim with offset of 36mm is still within these guidelines. Hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: DiscoTourer - Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 09:58

Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 09:58
25mm is the maximum offset on each side of my MY2012. That's the research I found when I looked into them May last year.....I don't accept what suppliers tell me.

I will find my correspondence with LR re maximum wheel track and post.

My GOE rims are 22mm offset each side. These ones are 36 mm each side according to the reseller you quoted.

I am in the insurance game so very paranoid about issues like this.

Brett....
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Follow Up By: batwings - Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 12:42

Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 12:42
Hi Brett I probably didn't explain myself all that well, was in a hurry

* Lets say factory spec for each rim is 25mm offset
* You then go out and buy a 36mm offset rim, that is a variance of 11mm.
* Law states the maximum offset allowed across the whole track of the vehicle is 25mm (not each rim) so you have offset by 2 x 11mm = 22mm which falls within the max allowed of the 25mm

Hope this helps
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