Big Red , a fizzogg

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We recently took our van to Birdsville , via the top end and Mt Isa-Winton-Charleville-Windorah-Betoota-Birdsville . We stayed at the caravan park for 3 days .... took the Patrol to Big Red .....is it just me or is it smaller than I thought it would be ... okay the sand was wet from rain and so easy to get up .....I can think of at least three dunes on the CSR that appear to me to be higher .
Anyway left the van in secure lock up at Birdsville caravan park & took ute with slide on camper (C&M campers) down to Innaminka to check out Burkes grave and the Dig Tree .
Had to go via Arrabury road as Cordillo downs rd was closed , and there was some doubt about Walkers crossing ....checked out Haddon corner (wet) on the way ..... camped another night at Deons Lookout on the way back.
Have to say the dirt rds were in good condition .....
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Reply By: David16 - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 09:18

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 09:18
Hi Lizard,

Did you have a go at it from the West, that is the true way to tackle it.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 09:37

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 09:37
Even then, there is a massive difference between wet & hot & dry sand!
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Follow Up By: Member - Justin O (QLD) - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 21:59

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 21:59
Not wrong Shaker. When the detour to BR was along the fence to the south because the regular road was flooded in 2011, I couldn't even get there in the 3L hilux! The third dune stopped me. Tyres on 16 PSI, didn't matter...not enough torque. Next time maybe!
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Reply By: equinox - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 09:29

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 09:29
I saw some mighty, mighty high sandunes in the far distance, south west of Wilson Cliffs in the Sandy, but as far as I know Big Red is the biggest confirmed dune in Oz.


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Follow Up By: Gronk - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 09:39

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 09:39
Is that the biggest dune you can drive over ??

I've seen bigger ones at Stockton beach ??

I know some will say big red is easy, but are they talking about THE big red....and are they talking about the harder track to the left ( looing back toward Birdsville....looking east ) or the easier ones straight up or to the right ???
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Follow Up By: equinox - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:31

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:31
Good question.
Probably the biggest single header in volume perhaps?? Cross sectional area from base to apex to base.

I never made it up anyway - It was dark, I was on my own, and I was thirsty.






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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:43

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:43
...Depends how a "dune" is defined I suppose. Much bigger dunes down the SW of WA - Callcup Hill up from Warren Beach rises from about 10 metres (ASL) at its base to over 200m in 1.5km. These dunes are massive - Big Red is a baby and a name possibly coined by someone who have never actually seen other dunes before. Maybe the biggest dune in that particular area but not in Australia...not even close.

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Follow Up By: Life Member-Doug T NSW - Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 07:09

Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 07:09
There's a blighter on the Vic / SA Border track heading North.

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Reply By: Ross M - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:07

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:07
What is a "fizzogg"????? please explain for all the Pauline's out there.
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Follow Up By: lizard - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:40

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:40
A fizzogg is a firework that doesn't go bang - it just fizzles out ..... well thats what I remember it as ..... it's an old saying
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:45

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:45
Yeah - something that doesn't live up to expectations.

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Follow Up By: Ross M - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:49

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:49
We all know it as a fizzER. Understood what he meant not the OGG bit.

Fizzer as in fizzes out
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Follow Up By: rocco2010 - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 14:09

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 14:09
Maybe it's a state thing ... Fizzogg when I was a kid in WA

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Follow Up By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 15:06

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 15:06
My brother moved to WA (Dampier) when he was 20 and his kids were born and bred there. Some of the things they used to say would blow us away. "Dinkying" meant doubling on a bike. Polomi was plain old Devon meat. There were many others that have drifted out of the memory bank. Bob.
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Follow Up By: rocco2010 - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 15:40

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 15:40
Hey Bob, there are plenty of things you eastern staters say that puzzle us Sandgropers! And I think you mean polony ...
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 15:51

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 15:51
What about potato cakes or potato scallops? Scallops in NSW and cakes in Victoria and SA I think?
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 17:43

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 17:43
When things are "a bit of a bummer" do WA people call it a bumogg????
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 19:40

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 19:40
Poloni and fritz are alternative names for devon (not sure where but I've heard all 3 over the years) and dinkying has been around for yonks. Fizzog is too close to fizgog (face) for mine. I'll stick with fizzer. Canteloupe anyone? Gimme a rock melon anyday.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 23:35

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 23:35
"When things are "a bit of a bummer" do WA people call it a bumogg????"

No.

WA colloquialisms don't need approval from any one east of the border, so I'd get over it. Most of you cant even say simple words such as Coogee or castle right. All part of the fun :)

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Reply By: DiscoTourer - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:48

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:48
Lizard, I don't recall any dunes on the CSR being as tall as big red. Big red is about 40 metres high, whereas the average on the CSR was about 12-16 metres.
I have traversed the big dunes down south of WA, and big red seems a bit of a pimple, but nonetheless it is iconic and if you have the wrong tyre pressures it can be a daunting climb.
Sounds like you had a good trip.

Brett....
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Follow Up By: lizard - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:01

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:01
The dune on the CSR with remains of the motorbike at the bottom appeared to me (from memory - probably failing)to be higher ....
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Reply By: Kris and Kev - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:49

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:49
Shame you did like Big Red. We loved it and had a nice glass of wine on the top while watching the sun set. Like someone has said, you did not get confused with the other hill? A lot of people do. But you are right, it is not that difficult to drive up, as long you have the right vehicle and conditions. Kevin
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Follow Up By: lizard - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:59

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:59
Don't get me wrong , we still enjoyed the trip , and Big Red , just I thought it would be higher
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Reply By: wombat100 - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:11

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:11
Not a bad view from Deons Lookout ??

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Follow Up By: lizard - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 14:39

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 14:39
Very nice view , we stopped in for a look on the in from Betoota , then camped the night in camper a week later on the way back from Innaminka - cold & windy - but clear bright moonlight night - special
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Reply By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:57

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:57
The very first time we visited the Simpson we just "popped" in to see Big Red. Piece of cake and then straight back to dinner at Birdsville. Or what we thought was Big Red.

On the next visit it was from the west. Now that was bigger than before. Strange I am thinking. But we didn't bother going up. No need and it was packed by tourists. We then head down south to go to Birdsville via the "detour" which was the way that we "popped" in to Big Red the last time from the east and Birdsville.

What do we find but a much smaller Big Red???????? Just the same size as the one we "popped" in to see last time. Strange!!

Guess who made a big error. Me.

And I am thinking that you may have done the same thing mate (lizard or whatever you name is) I bet that you didn't even get to see Big Red. Just "Little Red".

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Reply By: Member - Fab72 (Paradise SA) - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:24

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:24
Lizard,
Firstly, I'm assuming it was Big Red and not little Red (same dune but the crossing is about 1km closer to Birdsville). I made the mistake of going over Little Red and high fiving myself thinking it was a walk in the park only to get back to Adelaide to find I was 1km short. So a few months later, I went back to make sure I got the right one.

Anyway, since then, I've crossed and played on Big Red a few times. What I've found is that the load in the car, the time of day (sand temperature) and the chosen track play a huge part in how easy or hard it can be. That's excluding the obvious tyre pressure factor.

Early in the morning, I've crossed in a Captiva with no dramas. My mate got up easily in his Suzuki SX4 too. Later in the day, I've crossed in my Pajero io unloaded on the hardest track with no difficulty what so ever. However, with a full load of gear after crossing the Simpson, the same Pajero wouldn't even look at the difficult track and instead I had to settle for the intermediate track with some degree of difficulty still.

Either way....you made it! And I bet it felt good too. Glad you had fun.

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Follow Up By: Member - Kevin S (QLD) - Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 12:04

Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 12:04
Hi Fab. I have been wondering how your Simpson crossing went in the Io. Did you post a report anywhere?
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Follow Up By: Member - Fab72 (Paradise SA) - Tuesday, Jul 02, 2013 at 14:10

Tuesday, Jul 02, 2013 at 14:10
G'Day Kevin,
It went really well. I used 76 litres of ULP all up and the io performed really well.

The only problems I had were the radiator cap draw back valve played up so I'd have to top up the coolant every morning (while the over flow bottle overflowed) and the el cheapo aluminium roof basket didn't like the corrugations. Given it was it's first big trip, I'd say it was a breeze.

The weather was awesome with nights around 18C and days in the low 30's. I loved it.

Lesson learnt ..... spend more nights in the Simpson.!!!!! I feel it was a bit rushed but time was a huge factor.

Would I do it again? What time do we leave?

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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 13:05

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 13:05
Just to clear up any confusion, at the bottom of this blog is a photo (taken in 2006, a dry year) of Big Red from taken from the western side.

[url=http://www.exploroz.com/Members/61493.375/3/2011/Hay_River_Run__June_2006__Part_1__Canberra_to_Birdsville.aspx]

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Follow Up By: Barbera72 - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 19:48

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 19:48
And this is a video of Big Red (March 2013) climbed from west to east on the central track (second part of video).

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Follow Up By: Gronk - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 20:51

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 20:51
Yeh, but that's not the hard big red......to the left is the hard big red !!
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Follow Up By: lizard - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 22:34

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 22:34
Well now I have some self doubts , my Big Red didn't look exactly like the one in the video ! When we were in Birdsville (stranded by rd closures) we only went for a drive to Big Red as we had nothing else to do , hadn't planned on going there , anyway got to the top of this dune and our Hema/Oziexplorer gps had our arrow on Big Red , so I said to the missus this must be it .....
Apologies for my Fizzogg statement then .
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 07:53

Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 07:53
Sounds like Little Red maybe a couple of kms south but the same dune. From the west, Big Red has at least 3 distinct tracks going up.
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Follow Up By: Barbera72 - Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 08:23

Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 08:23
Yes, in the video you can see three tracks from the bottom of the dune and that's Big Red (easy to spot because the dune is at the end of QAA line): the one on the right is the easiest and sometimes called "chicken track" and the left one is the hard climb and very tough when the sand is dry. Lilttle Red is the same dune but the track goes over it few Km south of Big Red. Some travellers were saying it actually was more difficult to climb than Big Red.
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Reply By: Member - Scoey4 (SA) - Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 19:32

Saturday, Jun 29, 2013 at 19:32
Big Red is what it is - Big Red. It doesn't matter if there are bigger dunes anywhere in Australia - you have driven up BIG RED. If you have driven up it - claim it.

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Reply By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 11:40

Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 11:40
After watching the above video and countless others, I'd say without a doubt that Calcup Hill in the D'Entrecasteaux Nat Pk near the Warren River mouth is by far higher and much longer. It's about 500-600m from bottom to top and about 150m high. 8psi and lower isn't uncommon to get to the top. Advantage though over Big Red is that the approach is about 100m wide so you're not stuck in somebody else's ruts or moguls on the approach.

Another doozy is the one below Yeagarup Dunes that you get to from the track used to get off the beach just West of the Warren River.
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Follow Up By: Barbera72 - Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 13:35

Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 13:35
I have to agree, don't know where Big Red gets this reputation from. A considerably small sandhill that sometimes gets climbed by 2wd too.
The dunes in the Lincols NP and Coffin Bay NP are far higher too.
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 15:34

Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 15:34
I think that Big Red is only claimed to be the biggest dune in the Simpson - not the biggest dune in Australia. I have heard it said that there are bigger dunes in the NE Simpson too, and some on the Canning are pretty awe-inspiring too.

I dont think it matters whether its the tallest or biggest or reddest or whatever - or whether there are dunes in WA that are bigger or longer or taller. Quite simply its an amazing sight looming up as you come east on the QAA line. And on a hot afternoon when the sand has dried out getting over in a fully laden vehicle can be quite a challenge. Which is why a lot of travellers use Little Red.

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Follow Up By: Barbera72 - Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 16:20

Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 16:20
Indeed. That is one special place and who cares how tall it is. Interesting last time I was there, some travellers were coming back to cross Big Red to go back to Birdsville since they all failed to climb Little Red...
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 19:53

Sunday, Jun 30, 2013 at 19:53
Agree wholeheartedly.
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Follow Up By: Big A - Monday, Jul 01, 2013 at 20:53

Monday, Jul 01, 2013 at 20:53
"That is one special place and who cares how tall it is."

Indeed. Big Red is Big Red. It may well be the only part of the Simpson that most of us get to - if it is part of the Simpson!

An easy climb from the east 4WD, High, 2nd gear, to get to the car park. No need to climb it from the west.

With Telstra, you could possibly stream video from there with your smart ass phone. That would make the poor jealous.

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Reply By: Time - Thursday, Jul 04, 2013 at 15:22

Thursday, Jul 04, 2013 at 15:22
Just got back from a 12 day "quick tip" through the corner country and across the French Line East to West. Done it a few times over the years, and yes Big Red is easy enough from east to west or west to east with the right tyre pressures, gear and revs. Encountered some "tougher" dunes on the western half of the track.

A bit off thread, but please, if you are going through dune country use a sand flag and UHF radio. Just missed a head on with a nong who had no radio, no sand flag (and I suspect no idea). Came across another couple who where in the same boat, but traveling alone, no radio, no flag and really no idea (he had trouble getting over lots of dunes, he said, but didn't think lowering his tyre pressures would be of any help). Rolled my eyes and continued on our way.
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