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Hey guys just a heads up. I live in southern Sydney ( sutherland shire...yes..you can all insert your payouts below ) and 9 cruisers have been stolen in the last fortnight just from my local area... My mate got his 70 series ute rolled and was chatting with the cops who mentioned the recent spate of disappearances. They want the 1HDFTE motor and running gear. If you have one keep an eye on it.. Has any one else had this problem?
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Reply By: Ron N - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 11:57

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 11:57
James, spread the word on every forum you can find, it's the best way to bugger up the Lebbo rebirthers.
Maybe an investment in some cheap tracking device would be good if you own a 'Cruiser.

I've read where a cheap smartphone, hidden inside the vehicle, with a geo-location app loaded, is one of the cheapest and most effective tracking tools. Check out "stealth genie".
These car-rebirthing thieves cost us all in the long run, due to higher insurance premiums.

Be aware that most of these re-birthers send the parts or vehicle interstate to prevent detection - because once across a state border, the cops are hit with jurisdictional problems, database access problems, and a raft of other investigation holdups, that make them lose interest.

The W.A. cops caught a gang of rebirthers selling rebirthed East Coast 4WD vehicles in W.A. a couple of months ago. A number of people ended up in deep poo, thinking they had bought a genuine 4WD (Prados, as I recall), and then found they were caught up in ownership issues of vehicles that had swapped VIN plates and swapped components, and they all had major headaches trying to sort it all out.

Caveat emptor if the deal on a 4WD or highly-sought-after parts looks too good to be true. Remember the rebirthers mostly rely on people who have suss morals, that are happy to buy good stuff cheap, without delving into its origins.
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Follow Up By: james 75 - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 12:49

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 12:49

Thanks for your feedback but I would never attribute the thefts to a particular people group. I suggest you remove the reference ASAP.

We have suffered enough at the hands of this type of thinking. I have seen first hand the results of this kind of prejudice. I will fight and have fought to never see it again.

My apologies to anyone who takes exception to the above reference.

Ron i am not accusing you of being like this at all, but please be mindful of the connotations associated with this kind of post.

The people responsible for these thefts are criminals full stop.

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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 13:15

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 13:15
Sorry, I don't and never have, prescribed to the PC camp that says criminals are not allowed to be described by their outstanding racial/cultural features.

The constant nightly gun crime of SW Sydney is 99% related to people of Lebanese origins. Probably 90% of car-rebirthing can be tracked back to Lebanese crime families and Lebanese motorcycle gang members. Yes, they might be "Australian-born", but culturally, ethnically, and racially, they are Lebanese - and they identify themselves as such.

If Malcolm Fraser hadn't purposely overidden Immigration Dept officials that refused entry to the large group of Lebanese criminals that arrived here in 1976-77, as "refugees" from the Lebanese Civil War, then we'd have only a fraction of the gun crime and car-rebirthing crimes, we now currently have.
These people were allowed entry to Australia without criminal background checks, against our Immigration Laws. Malcom Fraser directed them to be allowed in. He refuses to acknowledge he carried out such a treasonous act - but he did, and the proof is in Govt files.

I'm of Anglo-Saxon heritage and proud of it. If someone wants to describe me as a WASP or Anglo-Saxon white male, I have no problem with that. My parents had to submit to extensive criminal background checks to be allowed entry to Australia. I see no reason why this law should be over-ruled on "humanitarian" grounds.

When gang of dark-skinned people bash and rob someone in the street, and they aren't allowed to be identified as "Aboriginal", then I do have a problem with that.

PC talk is all about hiding the fact that various ethnic groups specialise in certain types of crime. No amount of waffle, politico-speak or sidestepping gets around that.
Sorry, that's my point of view and if you're deeply offended - "tough titties" as Ma Sheela was known to say.
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Follow Up By: james 75 - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 13:40

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 13:40
This is a devastating reply....

I'm sorry you feel this way, I recommend you put a mirror at the end of your bed and wake up to yourself.

I consider the negative 'broad brushing' of a particular people group to be the original evil of racism. The same evil that birthed genocide, hatred and violence. All of which you have obviously never seen or understood.

I gave you a chance to distance yourself from this comment, however you chose to teach us all a little about yourself.

I don't know what you are trying to achieve, you comments will only damage. You are a part of the cycle that has devastated humanity for all of history.

Again I am so sorry, to any one who's is connected to this or anyone who views this.
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Follow Up By: Member - mechpete - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 13:51

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 13:51
Ron N, well spoken , your just saying how it is .many people think the same but won,t put their name to it
keep up the good work
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 13:51

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 13:51
"Sorry, I don't and never have, prescribed to the PC camp that says criminals are not allowed to be described by their outstanding racial/cultural features."
But that isn't what you did. You assumed that the criminals were Lebanese. You made a statement that says all Lebanese are criminals. That's stereotyping and that is what racism is built on. And that has nothing to do with PC (I think you meant to say "subscribed" not "prescribed".
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 13:55

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 13:55
Your extrapolation from taking my views, to linking them with Nazi genocide is known as Godwins Law.
An extrapolation that has no logic involved, whatsoever, and I refute it completely.

Because the NSW Police Force has a "Middle Eastern Crime Gang" division, I'm surprised that you haven't run off to your lawyer and launched a lawsuit, stating that you're continually harrassed, because of your Middle Eastern appearance and features.

This naming of a particular cultural and ethnic group and identifying them as being continually linked to crime statistics, is obviously appalling to you.
Perhaps you might like to reflect at length, on why this particular division was so-named??
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Follow Up By: Member - warren G (VIC) - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 13:55

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 13:55
I don't mind having a difference of opinion with someone and sometimes can be quite derogatory in some responses[to my decrement] but whether agree or disagree I will stay clear of this one as there will be no winners or even a draw on this topic. cheers warren
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 14:05

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 14:05
Mfewster - Yes, I did assume the criminals involved in the 'Cruiser thefts were Lebanese. I obviously made a huge error according to Gary and yourself - and hopefully I'll be proved wrong.

However, when the crimes are being carried out in SW Sydney, and Lebanese crime gangs make up the largest majority of criminals involved in car theft, re-birthing, insurance fraud and car-jackings - then the old adage applies - "if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and quacks like a duck ..."

And yes, I did have a Tony Abbot moment and meant to write "subscribed" instead of "prescribed".
I bow to your swift and superior "Grammar Nazi" skills .. oops, there's that word again. LOL
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Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 14:17
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 14:20

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 14:20
Hello Ron. You obviously don't understand Godwin's Law either. Nobody, but nobody mentioned Nazis or Hitler. G's Law refers to people's tendency to reach for a reference to Hitler when arguing. It has nothing to do with whether or not there might be a logical link. The fact that you had G's Law at your fingertips and were so eager to try to use (misuse) it suggests you mix in circles that go down this path regularly. Would you care to share with us some of your other fave websites?
But you still don't get it do you? I am aware that we have Middle Eastern Crime units (and Vietnamese and Chinese crime units etc). Such units have specialists in them who can communicate with those communities. And that is a sensible thing for our law enforcement authorities to do. But that is a very different thing to stereotyping which is the basis of racism and what many of us here took exception to in your post.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 14:39

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 14:39
Sorry Modsquad. I made my last post before your request appeared.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rosss - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 15:15

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 15:15
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Reply By: Tim - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 12:33

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 12:33
I have heard before from reputable sources that the 75/8/9 series cruiser ute has the lowest recovery rate after being stolen. That is, when compared to any other vehicle, the number of stolen cruiser utes which are ever located is extremely low.
I think it comes down to a combination of a good truck, worth good coin and probably on the easier side to steal and once stolen they could easily be used without being registered again whether it be as a single truck or broken down into parts.
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Reply By: allein m - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 14:39

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 14:39
we had a guy at the local swap meet in Thornie in Perth few years back selling hub caps and rear louvers and other car parts some one got suspicious and called the police and they did follow him during the week

what he did was drive around car parks at night stealing items .

I know one of the police officers who caught him and he said he was making a lot of money for very little effort and no tax was paid and he was on the dole .

we need to protect our cars from these type of people .

may of the part taken were often below what your average excess was at the time so the owners had to pay for the items out of there own pockets very few called the police so they had no idea what was going on.
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Reply By: Ron N - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 15:47

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 15:47
O.K. - back onto the initial post, here's a few links for general information.

More than 16 rebirthed 4WD's (mostly Prados) were discovered in the Police swoop in W.A. last year.

Rebirthed Prados discovered - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-30/police-raid-properties-linked-to-rebirthing-vehicles/4341990

It's interesting to note that the only reason the W.A. Police discovered the Prado rebirthing ring was because one of the new owners took their Prado to a Toyota dealer for servicing.
It appears the service manager checked the vehicle VIN against the other numbers on the vehicle according to the (worldwide) Toyota vehicle ID database - and they didn't match, so the Police were notified.

Chop-shop cars - can you spot the difference? - http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/-20120718-22a1r.html

The techniques used by the re-birthers are devious and cunning, and it often takes a very skilled and knowledge person with trade experience to pick them up.

I can recall looking at a nice, very low km used Camry a number of years ago, when looking for a replacement for the missus' car - and very careful inspection showed up some small odd marks in the body structure up near the exterior door mirrors.

I'm knowledgeable enough to realise these were chain marks from a body aligner. Further intense investigation found the vehicle had been written off, purchased by a used car yard manager, and rebuilt. He was selling it off from home and making out it was his wifes car.

Fortunately, rules have been tightened since back then and all written-off vehicles go on the WOV register. However, that still doesn't stop scumbags from trying to circumvent the system.

An interesting discussion about stolen vehicle experiences on Whirlpool forum ..

Stolen vehicles discussion - http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1687295

A website where you can list your car as being stolen ..


If you have an expensive 4WD and you're concerned about it being stolen, then I's suggest DataDot is probably a very worthwhile investment. Remember that a large proportion of vehicles thefts today, are carried out via thieves breaking into houses, stealing the vehicle keys and easily making off with the vehicle.

Therefore, in todays world, key protection is essential, so a small safe for keys is probably also a good investment.

My stepdaughters house was burgled earlier this year, the thief merely kicked in the front door when no-one was home (I was stunned at how easily, even top-brand, front door locks are broken), and the thief got away with around $35,000 worth of goods.
She has a new Subaru Outback, and thanks to a stroke of luck, we had the car and the keys at our house while she was at work (FIFO) - otherwise the thief would have got the Subaru, and loaded it up as well.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 21:06

Sunday, Sep 01, 2013 at 21:06
Good advice.
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