A plead for editing on this site.

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 07:54
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I know there is a preview section and you can get add ons for browsers but they are both very primitive and don't catch everything. And for whatever reason some errors are not obvious till fully posted.

This site would be greatly improved with an edit function. If editing was disabled as soon as a follow up occurs then there can be no harm surely.

It drives me nuts. Both for my and other's posts.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:07

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:07
Its a hard one Boobook , Sounds obvious but sometimes a reply is made to a post and if that posts context is changed by editing then the reply/follow might look distorted .

I find that it better to write a reply into notepad or something then cut/past into Ex Oz.

This is because many mistakes come from directly typing into a reply fiel.

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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:17

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:17
Yes I understand, that is why some forums allow editing until a follow up is posted, then the previous posts are locked and can't be edited. I think that is a great solution.

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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:52

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:52
It is not a hard one at all.....a simple thing....... a no brainer.

This is the only forum I have ever been on that does not allow people to edit their own posts.

an utterly rediculous situation.

The inability to edit posts and correct mistakes creates more miss-undestanding and bad feeling than people editing after the fact ever could.

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Follow Up By: Freshstart - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:58

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:58
YES PLEASE
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Follow Up By: HKB Electronics - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 09:07

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 09:07
I rarely agree with Boobook but on this subject I do agree for once!

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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 09:42

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 09:42
Yes a pretty basic function which surely the befits out way the drawbacks
Editing does not cause issues on other sites which are far less civilised than the decorum here (MOST OF THE TIME)

There are those who cut and paste from a word document etc but I would think the majority direct respond via their smartphone etc
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:13

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:13
I think the integrity of a post comes first , without this you have nothing and its worth more than a few spelling mistakes , any person who has made a mistake can easily follow with a correction.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:38

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:38
I guess you can do all sorts of unnatural tricks to edit off line but at the end of the day it gets all too hard. Especially with mobile devices. Touch screens on a tablet or phone with their own quirky spelling corrections make it worse. Opening other apps and cutting and pasting is not really user friendly on a tablet while sitting in the sun.

IMHO blocking the ability to edit has done nothing to make EO a well behaved forum. Many other forums with edit facilities are much more restrained and polite. ( maybe there is something to that!).

Surely the situation could be addressed either by blocking edits after subsequent posts, or adding a 'wiki like' button so other users can check previous revisions of posts if they are that way inclined.

I just find that lack of this feature is making me visit and post less all the time on this site ( some would find that to be a benefit).

I'm taking the 'visit less' path, rather than 'edit off line' option and just want to let EO know. Water will find it's own level I guess.

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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:41

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:41
Hey Robin....what's a "reply fiel"? LOL Did you do that on purpose?
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:19

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:19
Oops, the title should be Plea, not plead. Can't edit it though.
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Reply By: Rod W - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:31

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:31
Fully supported hear Boobook. Sorry that should be heer no no here yes no
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Reply By: Member - Rosco from way back - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:38

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:38
Add another YAY vote for editing. Bloody frustrating without!!!
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Reply By: The Landy - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:50

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:50
Perhaps not the ultimate solution, but I always use a Microsoft Word Document for composing anything I write.

I can easily spell check and review prior to “dispatching” it to wherever it is going.

Just a thought…

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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:56

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:56
The number of people who would precompose replies in a word processor would have to be an extreem minority.

The number of people who spell check their posts would also be an extreem minority.

Its an internet forum...a discussion board for goodness sakes.

The real and ultimate solution is like almost every ther internet forum on the web...allow people to edit their posts.

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Follow Up By: The Landy - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 09:20

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 09:20
Hi Bantam

That's why it isn't an "ultimate solution" and "just a thought"

And perhaps if people paid for a membership the owners of the site may be able to better fund some of these changes...

"Just a thought"...

ps; I winged this one straight into the follow-up!
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:25

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:25
ZAP.....KAPOW!!!

Of course there is always the "Preview" feature which actually shows you exactly what your post will look like and allows you to edit before you post it.


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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:28

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:28
Serioulsy..who uses the preview feature?..come on now.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:43

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:43
If mistakes, errors or corrections are an issue for some then perhaps they should make it a priority to use the preview/edit feature.
Would cure the need for yet another edit feature.

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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:43

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:43
I do but if you are too lazy to take that extra step then live with the result.

C'mon guys, we are not translating the Magna Carta into modern English. Ordinary people with ordinary 1st world problems and ordinary 1st world solutions.

Lighten up.

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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:47

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:47
Get with the programme...its an internet forum..a conversational medium......this is the only modern inernet forum that I have encountered that does not provide facilities to edit posts.

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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:51

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:51
Minor addition Bantam, it's one of many internet forums. You have the choice to use or not. Just like we have a choice of many things in our lives.
Pretty simple. Ya don't like this one, pick another.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:53

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:53
At the risk of repeating the story, you do have an edit feature as pointed out, it's your choice to use it or not.

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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:53

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:53
yeh great attitude..thanks.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:01

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:01
No problems :)

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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 17:59

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 17:59
Unlike nearly every other forum on the internet we have no capacty to edit posts after posting........there IS NO edit facility...there is a preview facility that the vast majority will never use......it is a feature so little used most forums do not provide it....they don't have to...they provide an edit facility.

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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 19:46

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 19:46
So basically, if I have a handle on what you are saying, is that rather than hitting a review button, having a read and making whatever changes are needed, you would hit the submit button, realise you have made a big stuff up and re-enter and edit. Have I got the gist of that?

Un bloody believable.

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Follow Up By: The Landy - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 19:53

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 19:53
Bantam


Help me out here because I’m trying to think this through logically.

You won’t use a preview button prior to making a post, but after you’ve made the post, you’ll review it and then edit, if an edit button is available?

So why not just change your process around from “post, review, and edit” to “preview, edit and post”?

What you are suggesting is already available to you, just in a different order…


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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 19:59

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 19:59
Yeah but Baz-Landy, I think we may be missing an important step here.

By following the "submit and be damned" approach and then realising your mistake rather than reviewing it before submitting you get to show all and sundry that you are actually a goose and not a bantam.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 20:04

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 20:04
Or a turkey.
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Follow Up By: Slow one - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 20:57

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 20:57
POP,
behave
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 21:05

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 21:05
Sorry [:=((
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Follow Up By: Slow one - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 21:11

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 21:11
Pop,
6 cuts for you tomorrow, and that is one the bit where the sun has a problem shining.

Bad boy.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 20:41

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 20:41
theres a few gooses here by the looks, or goslings more like.
As you guys have said-if there is an edit feature and YOU dont want to use it, then dont.
Whats so hard about that?
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Reply By: Member - Rosco from way back - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:20

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:20
Merely perusing any number of the preceding posts reveals the need for an edit function ;o)
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:26

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:26
I think most of them are deliberate...:)

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 14:04

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 14:04
Yes Greg, I thaught so too. lol
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Follow Up By: Member - Rosco from way back - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 14:27

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 14:27
As did I. Hence the ;o)
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:47

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:47
Maybe a bit of "making sure the brain is running before putting the mouth (or in this case keyboard) into gear" might just help too.

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Reply By: garrycol - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:48

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:48
The layout of the whole forum needs to be updated and brought into the 21st century bringing in a common layout and facilities similar to most other forums.

Things such as editing, quoting, and sequential list of posts - like 99% of other forums would be good.

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Follow Up By: MactrolPod - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:57

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:57
On the same page Garry, don't use this resource much for the reasons you list.
Latest post to the top would be great.
Seems a lot of support for change but not too much for leaving it as it is.
Some good ideas put forward.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:07

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:07
I don't mind the multi threaded firmat..once you get used to it its different but fine.

but the facilities are pretty ordinary.

There is a very good reason most of the decent forums are running "V bulliten board"

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:24

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:24
"Latest post to the top would be great"

Already available (for years and years)



Select response time in display options and thread with most recent post will be at the top, followed by next most recent etc etc. Threads/posts are also colour coded so you can see which ones are new since your last visit.

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:36

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:36
Oh sorry I think you actually meant new posts in a thread to the top. mmm could be confusing given there are replys and then follow ups. I prefer following a thread from the top downwards.

If it were the other way around, the original post would be way down the bottom and if you came in late (most common scenario) you would have to start at the bottom and work up to follow the conversation which is a bit strange in my book, though I am lead to believe top posting is almost a fundamentalist religion on some forums, not sure why.

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Follow Up By: garrycol - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:53

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:53
Yes you have primary posts in order but then you have followups that in reality tend to be posts in their own right - most modern forums just have a quote function so posts stay in order and what you have as followups are posts with quotes to indicate that it is referencing what someone else has said.

I appreciate that over the years you have tried to address this issue by putting in the colour system for recent posts and followups and it is fine of there are only a couple of entries but when a thread gets quite large it is quite tiring having to scroll down looking for new stuff where on most forums you just go to the bottom and read up.

The other issue with your colour system is that if you go into the forum and read some threads but not all and at a later time you go back in at a later time then all previous posts and followups are effectively marked as read by removing the colours - only the new posts since last being in the foruem are marked as new.

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 13:13

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 13:13
Yeah the colouring system probably isn't perfect but I find it handy.

By the way - scrolling should be seen as good thing. Its about the only exercise I get on some days :)

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Follow Up By: Alan S (WA) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 13:51

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 13:51
In response to Mactrolpod above that little support for the statusquo. I am in support of the current.

And for Garry, I find the layour here easy to use, in fact that is why i dont spent much time on other forums. I find the common layout hard to read wth excessive footers, and quotes confusing the flow of the thread.

The follow up feature here is good as it allows a thread to flow and should a side topic/converstaion develop it is seperated from the main thread.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 14:00

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 14:00
Like you Alan, I prefer the existing format. It is more 'conversational' and less structured than other forums. The existing 'Follow Up' feature eliminates the need for a whole lot of quotes to identify the subject.

And a spell-check feature would still not eliminate the "there", "their", "there's"!!! <:-)O=

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 23:28

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 23:28
Scrolling backwards through many pages to read the original question is rather onerous.
I've never been one to read a book backwards.

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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 23:37

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 23:37
Doh - then you start at the start.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 00:07

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 00:07
See, knew you could work it out.

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Follow Up By: garrycol - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 09:14

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Doh - but most people want to look at what recently has been posted so go to the end (or on most forums you can select to have recent posts at the top). No options like that here.

On this forum to find the most recent entry you have to start at the top or bottom and scroll up or down because the most recent entry might be in the middle of over a hundred entries - like this thread.
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Reply By: John and Regina M - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:54

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:54
Let's not forget the search function straight from the dark ages as well. It's a great forum driven by crap software.
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Reply By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:33

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:33
You are welcome to discuss this but keep in mind that as a result of implementing an "edit' facility, Members would lose the feature that copies the body text of replies/followups that they receive in email.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 13:18

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 13:18
not a problem on any other bulliten board I have ever been on.

In fact most other bulliten boards every user, gets body of text in email notifications.

Every user can post attachments and nobody pays for plain and simple access to the forum with full features.

Fair enough charge for hosting blogs and other services......but in this day and age nobody pays to go on a forum.

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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 13:23

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 13:23
So Bantam what happens when someone edits their post - does this email then get sent again to everyone?
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:19

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:19
No. emails only get sent when the post is first thrown up.

It may be an option in the software.....don't know...I don't administer a BB..... but none of the forums I am or have been on send notifications of edits.

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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:44

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:44
You folk serioulsy run a a web site and forum on a commercial basis and are not aware of what the rest of the industry is doing.

Do you not post on other forums....just to keep in touch with what is going on and how everbody else is doing it.

Go check a few sites.

Start with "woodworkforums" its a big site, with a lot of trafffic...fully featured and it runs like a train...it very very rarely crashes or has problems.....its running "V Bulliten board".
I know the owner and several of the moderators in the flesh.

Ausfish likewise is a big site with a lot of trafffic..it too runs like a train....it runs "V"

4wdaction.....well it does not run "V" and they have been having all sorts of problems for months......I just got back on there in the last couple of days and traffic is way down on what it was...people just cant be bothered dealing with the issues.

all of these sites allow editing of own posts by all users....mostly with no time limit.

Look arround....a hell of a lot of fourms run "V" both large and small.

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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:59

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:59
Never said we were weren't using other Forums. Quite aware of what's used thanks.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:28

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:28
ExplorOz Team - Michelle replied:
"You are welcome to discuss this but keep in mind that as a result of implementing an "edit' facility, Members would lose the feature that copies the body text of replies/followups that they receive in email."

Michelle I think that would be fine and a small price to pay. In fact some forums just send you an email telling you that there's been an update to the thread and you have to click through to the forum to read it.

- That way you are more likely to get the people back to your site rather than them just reading the email replies :-)
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:40

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:40
Edit would be good, but imo only, I think the ability to use italics etc for emphasis would be more useful.

At the moment we only have upper case, and that usually comes over as shouting.

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Reply By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 13:31

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 13:31
To those that are pleading for an edit feature - are you sure that you have looked properly at the current Preview feature?

You type your reply in the box and before you click submit you click the orange PREVIEW button - that it shows you exactly what it will look like on the site (complete with your signature file etc).

PREVIEW mode looks identical to how it looks on the site after you've clicked submit BUT you are still in edit mode.

Once you are looking your post in Preview mode, there are TWO orange buttons giving you the choice to RETURN TO EDIT or SUBMIT so before you submit you have a chance to check it for errors and edit it.

I do wonder if people are rushing their replies and not using this edit feature that is provided within the PREVIEW. This allows you to go back and forth editing and checking as much as you like. Once you are sure, then you submit.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:22

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Hi Michelle,

I do use the Preview feature often, especially when attaching images or wishing to preview my text layout.
My Safari browser also natively provides a spell check function, but in any case I always read my typing before posting. Mind you that would not always help those who do not even recognise the correct spelling of words.

In short, my vote goes to leaving the basic format as is, with David providing regular enhancements as he has been doing.

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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:26

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:26
For the most part people who post on forums do not preview or spell check their posts...just like only a very small minority preformat their posts on a seperate text editor.

It's an internet forum...people don't write speaches when they go for a coffee with friends, likewise they don't compose grammar accurate, spell checked documents when they post on forums.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:34

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:34
But I thaught that some people would learn the correct spelling of a word when it has been pointed out to them. It's not really hard.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:44

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:44
Michelle I think it is about user friendliness. I have used the preview function but you are forced to use it EVERY time to check and you still don't get to see your post in context with others. ( and that function sucks on my tablet). It's not just a spelling issue, it is often grammar and even the way you answer. When you see the result next to say a previous set of posts, yours may not quite be how you meant to contribute.

Also because EVERY other forum I participate in allows editing, they allow the opportunity to clean up after posting, I'm in the habit of just clicking then editing. I am sure if every other forum as as restrictive as this one then I would be more careful bu they aren't. They are all easy to use.

I feel that the fact that I have to pay for this one, and the fact that it is used to generate ad revenue, it should be better, not significantly worse than other forums that are not for profit. It annoys me that my posts are not always what I intended, and reading other people's typos is frustrating too.

I raised this because I honestly think you have to work in a standardized way, or users will leave through frustration. I am seriously considering not renewing. This issue is one major part of that thinking right now.
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:51

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:51
You know you don't have to pay to use the Forum Boobook ;)
If you choose to be a Member, then yes there are also some features in the Forum that you might enjoy more so than if you were not a Member but you definately don't need to pay to use the Forum - never have and never will.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:57

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:57
yeh but if you dont pay , you get a crippled forum that does not do things most other forums provide free of charge......

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Follow Up By: Member - Michael P (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:04

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:04
If it ain't broke!!!!!

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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:21

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:21
Yeah I know I don't have to pay. But the forum does have a lot of great features that I use, features that have value. There is a hell of a lot of work that has gone into the content and I do like to pay for valuable information if it is reasonably priced. I apologise if my post didn't come across correctly.

I guess the point that I was hoping to get across is that given all that, and that I AM paying for it. It would be much better ( IMHO) if it had all that stuff, AND was it easier to use the forum.

Like many users, I ask questions and seek information as well as replying to questions trying to add information. I have done a lot less of the latter lately because I feel that it's harder to get the correct ( edited) point across than it is on other forums. While I am sure I wouldn't be missed by some ( Hi HKB!), if everyone is frustrated and helps less then the forum will suffer.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:26

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:46

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:46
"My Safari browser also natively provides a spell check function.."

Yeah Firefox has well has that as well - works great . All misspellt words are underlined in red so as you type you can see where your mistakes are. I dont use the ExplorOz one, dont have to. Doesn't help with grammar though.



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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 17:51

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 17:51
True Greg. Does your browser also correct grammar, and words that are spelled correctly for other words.

I have too browsers two but both of them don't seam to pick up thinks like these which are all spelt write. It makes know cents at all but every think is ok in my spelt checker in my browsers.

LOL :-)

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:13

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:13
Hi

I was just stating that Firefox also had spell check, nothing more or less.

Anyway - all you are pointing out is that at some stage of the game you are going to have to use your existing knowledge of the English language to finalise a post as you want it (edit or no edit function, spell check or no spell check).

As there is currently no edit function, the only real solution is to sort out your spelling and grammar before you submit (as best you can or care to). Its not that hard, and if a few mistakes remain its not the end of the world.

I have no opinion on whether there should or shouldn't be a edit function.

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Follow Up By: The Landy - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:46

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:46
Does this highlight an emerging first world problem of having a device in our hip pocket that gives us the ability to instantly communicate a point of view?

Perhaps this exposure has led us down the path of comment first, think later; an age old problem I suspect!

Is the need to get a viewpoint out there that quick balance out the need to give more consideration into what we are going to say, or how it might be said? I’m thinking an “edit” button could almost become redundant in a world where we think first, and comment later…

And on spelling and grammatical errors, I can live with those and work my way to the intent of a post if people choose not to use the EO “review” or “spell check” buttons.

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Reply By: Crusier 91 - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 13:48

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 13:48
I often wondered about no editing available after submitting.

My only reasoning to this is.......................more posts.............and we all know what that means in the world of internet and websites......more traffic = more $$$$$
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Reply By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:52

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:52
Exploroz owners.
serioulsy..if you want more traffic and thus more revenue, more payment worthy products and services sold and an easier life in general.

you need to look at a more modern outlook and format..and probably different software.

Go check "V bulliten board"...hell who knows it may even support a multi strand format.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:00

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:00
I don't think you realise how big this forum actually is.
It's site stats kill almost every comparable forum in Australia combined and it's growing!

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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 08:59

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 08:59
Bantam, V bulletin board is not really an option for Exploroz. V bulletin board is php software running on Linux/Unix servers while Exploroz seems like a custom written asp.net site running on a Windows server. The unbelievable complexity involved in correctly transferring the information from one to the other is not even worth contemplating. This site does so much more than V bulletin board.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 20:22

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 20:22
OH come on now.

There are a couple of forums that would have more traffic thru one sub section than this whole forum....and those forums are linked off fairly large full featured web sites supporting many features.

A lot of sites do soo much more than "V"...but they run V for their BB.

Anyway.....most other forums allow edititing and a whole pile of other things this one does not..things that are considered fairly rudimentary for an internet forum.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 23:20

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 23:20
I just checked the site stats, there are 1026 people on this site right this instance that I'm posting this.
LCOOL has around 15 people.

Not sure what other comparable forums there are that match the numbers here.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 21:25

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 21:25
Lcool is hardly a large site......its not realy even a full blown forum

Remember too....there are different ways of expressing statistics....

Is that users on the forum or users on the whole site


look at woodwork forums
as I post

1491 users on line 198 members and 1302 guests
Maximum useres on line at any one time 2469

Threads 163,268....Posts 1,671,261....Members 91,400......
CurrentlyActive Members 6,738

4wd action
Total posts 1598163 • Total topics 115734 • Total members 69521

exploroz
Who's Online Now (1396)
Members 33
Business 0
Visitors 22
Anonymous 1341

so...that is 33 people on line that have the ability to post to the forum.

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 23:25

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 23:25
1026 people right now-I think you will find that while its being accessed by 1026 "entities", many are not people but webcrawlers and bots.
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Reply By: Slow one - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:23

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:23
I can see where you are coming from Boobook but I just live with my mistakes.

I stuff up a bit (mainly due to a drunken stupor) and just post a follow up, which then makes a bit of sense of what I have typed. I think.

I could use the preview which is available, but in that state of off my face I wouldn't be able to find it.

Anyway both sides of the argument are interesting and have merit and that is through my glazed eyes.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:27

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 16:27
You gotta admire a happy drunk. LOL
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Reply By: ModSquad - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 17:20

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 17:20
Actually, of its that bigger stuff-up and one you can't live with, as the poster, you may contact the mods and ask them to edit it for you. We are more than happy to do this although we urge that you use the simple tools that are there to assist you in the first place. In built spell check with your browser OR spell check facility provided AND/OR the "Preview" function prior to submitting the post. In all seriousness, how hard or time consuming can it be for you to simply check what you've written...c'mon now.

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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 17:45

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 17:45
I recall a recent thread where the mod changed the text. When questioned they said I can't be bothered using spell check or words to that effect.

Anyway it is just a suggestion. EO is free to ignore the people that think its a PITA.

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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 17:22

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 17:22
We don't post unless we have something to contribute. There are those here who seem to post mainly to stir the locals using aggressive language that simply encourages most to keep their heads down. That's a far bigger annoyance than the claimed lack of editing facilities.

Too often, in spite of using the preview facility, we'll post then realize we've made an error. It happens but it isn't a big deal. If we had one wish, we'd wish for the "Submit" button to be separated from the "Preview" button - logically submit comes after both preview and spellcheck. Just moving the "Submit" button one slot to the right would cut down on accidental posting which probably causes quite a few errors.

It is important that the subject matter NOT be changed by editing after discussion has commenced - things can get pretty out of hand here without that source of confusion! At the very most, perhaps editing (or totally deleting) might be permitted prior to any responses or followups being posted. There are problems with this too though, as replies being drafted at the time won't take account of the changes and will likely introduce further confusion. Think of the fights we could have if we could retrospectively reverse meanings just by slipping in a "not" here and there, or swap positive for negative in some of the electrical wrangles! North in place of south.... lots of options!

Many of the writing issues on here have little to do with a supposed inability to edit. Rather they stem from people jumping in to make hasty responses; no time to edit, making their point is more important. Other's issues stem from a poor command of spelling, grammar and punctuation; edit functions have only a limited ability to solve those problems.

If there are so many alternative forums out there the disgruntled ones are free to go there.

It's not broke - why "fix" it?

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Follow Up By: garrycol - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:08

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:08
But is broken and out of date.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:54

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:54
Maybe its different better and hence sucessful Garry.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:33

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:33
Is it successful - many, including myself don't think so.
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 17:39

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 17:39
Then why are you here Garry? There are 3.5K members who think the site does provide value. All you seem to think of is the forum yet EO provides a whole suite of tools and information that you simply don't get on other forums. They are simple chat rooms using generic platforms and nothing more. They are often harder to search than this site, offer no added value and are nothing more than chat rooms but...... they do have an edit function. Whoopee!

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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 18:11

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 18:11
Garry, maybe you could give some examples of how the site is broken and out of date.
I agree with Mick, this whole site is much more than just the forum, and like others who are members we are more than happy to contribute to the ongoing life of the site, edit function or no.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 19:05

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 19:05
John and Val - Try reading this thread and you will find out.

Mick O - if everyone on this site thought the forum section has good functionality and layout then this thread would not exist. The issues relate the the forum section not the entire site. Yes you are correct that the site provides a lot of additional information but this thread is talking about the forum section not the site overall.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 06:59

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 06:59
It's not a matter or comparing the size of EO with other forums, or if the site is broken or not. It is a useful site, and so are others. Apples and oranges.

The issue at hand is that some people believe it isn't user friendly w.r.t. editing, and others are ok with it.

It's just a suggestion to improve the site for those who are frustrated with the lack of this feature. If people are happy with not having the edit feature that is ok too. No one would force you to use it if implemented! Some people are dyslexic or have other typing / reading issues. This site sucks for them.

The objection about edits changing the intention of the post are very easily addressed with time / follow up lock outs. One thing is for sure. There seem to be more flare ups on this site than any other that I visit, so the current functionality doesn't exactly make it a well behaved forum.

IF EO chose to change it great. I will participate more. If not that is ok too. I'll just suffer and avoid posting most of the time.

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Reply By: The Bantam - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:03

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:03
Seems this is one of the hottest topics to surface on exploroz in a very long time.

look at the number of posts and followups and the number of veiws in such a short time.

Looks like its a more pressing issue than some want to believe.

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:26

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:26
Don't be fooled by statistics..

I could dream up some interesting thread titles that would get more hits than Anthony Mundine....but subject matter could be totally irrelevant i.e. number of views, replies, followups dont necessarily = "pressing issue".

A high percentage of the posts are by me and I dont think its a "pressing issue" in any shape or form, just a few people proclaiming they who would prefer an edit function.

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:27

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:27
PS

The forum will live on - watch...:)
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Follow Up By: Mike SK - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 20:55

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 20:55
Ha ha bantam too funny! Take out all your posts and it ain't so pressing anymore. If it bugs you, use the preview button. If you don't like the preview, be like Michael Jackson and beat it.
Let market forces will decide what happens
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 21:35

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 21:35
There are some people trying to help improve your business....people who use a service your buiness provides.

A forum that is a promotional tool and brings business to the profit making part of the web site.

If you dont want to listen...that is your problem...if you want to keep running a clunky outdated forum.....go ahead...but don't blame anybody else when it fails to thrive.

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 23:41

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 23:41
...Put your money where your mouth is Bantam and stop using the Forum (and any other section of the website) to illustrate to us all the TRUE SIGNIFICANCE of a lack of an edit function and how, when people such as yourself stop visiting and dont return, it will result in the site "failing to thrive".

If you keep using the "clunky outdated" Forum despite the lack of the super significant edit function then I for one will conclude, with much confidence, that what you have proclaimed above is just a pile of very pungent BS.

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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 09:18

Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 09:18
A simply breath taking attitude.

Good luck in your business.
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Reply By: mikehzz - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 19:05

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 19:05
Hey David, have you written this software yourself from scratch? If so then it must be unique. Well done no matter what the bad spellers say...whether you add an edit button or not. :-)

While we are on first world problems, I would really like to have all the emoticons available from other forum styles. Text smilies are so yesterday. :-0
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 19:40

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 19:40
Now that I would happily vote "YES" for. The emoticons, smilies or whatever you call them.

I guess you can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time but very rarely all of the people all of the time.

(:=))

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 23:41

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 23:41
Mike I'm pretty sure it is.
That allows the forum to be so interactive with other areas of the site.
Highlighted links on certain words etc.

The whole site is quite extraordinary in the way it cross links, makes info so much easier to find.

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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 08:11

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 08:11
Frankly, I don't believe adding an edit feature would be big job at all. There is no need to email alert anyone that a post has been edited. It will make some followups irrelevant but that doesn't matter...plenty are anyway. :-)
At the end of the day, adding an edit feature will please a lot of people and won't make anyone upset if I'm reading this thread correctly. Don't forget about the emoticons...
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Reply By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 21:40

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 21:40
Actually, I'm going to go completely off topic and ask for a search engine that works.

A number of times I've chased the contents of a previous post I've made which has relevance to a later post. Searching for like phrases to topic fails to find it, and searching for name in the posts fails completely. Unless you're the OP, it won't match...
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Reply By: Gramps - Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 22:51

Thursday, Aug 28, 2014 at 22:51
Every year this topic comes up, multiple times some years. Same old arguments get trotted out on both sides. Same end result every time.

Harden up and move on. Nothing more to see here. LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 07:08

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 07:08
Excellent strategy.

Ignore annoying customer feedback - it will eventually go away.

LOL.
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Follow Up By: HKB Electronics - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 08:35

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 08:35
Ignoring the problem doesn't solve it, yes eventually users will give up and either persevere or move on.

Allow editing would simply make it a more enjoyable experience for most, all of the other sites I visit allow editing, I have worked for many companies selling many products and what I can tell you is companies that don't progress and refuse to kept up with the times eventually go out of business, if you won't provide what the user wants someone else will.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 08:55

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 08:55
Or maybe it's that companies that are going out of business are failing to progress??
Chicken or egg?
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 09:48

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 09:48
Gentlemen,

As you may have noticed I could'nt care less whether the site had an edit feature or not. I was just remarking on previous experience over many years on this site.

The owners of the site are obviously happy without this feature as they have resisted all previous attempts to have it implemented. It probably falls into the 'nice to have' category rather than the 'absolutely necessary' one. I tend to agree with them as the lack of this feature has'nt caused me any grief over the years. It probably has'nt hurt the site's popularity much either given the existing Membership, Visitors, etc.

It may be, that implementing this feature simply fails a basic cost benefit analysis to the business.
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Follow Up By: HKB Electronics - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:28

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:28
"Or maybe it's that companies that are going out of business are failing to progress??
Chicken or egg?"

Valid point, I have see companies fail due to seeing the need to progress but unfortunately have jumped on the wrong band wagon, is good to lead the way if the market jumps on board but can be a disaster if you jump one way and everyone else jumps another.

However one thing is sure, if you don't progress with the rest of the masses then you get left behind, a quick look around the web shows most if not all over similar sights allow editing, it would therefore seem this sight is either not keeping up or is leading the field but as no one else seems to have taken the same path it would seem they are jumping the wrong way:)

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Reply By: Member-Heather MG NSW - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:51

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:51
Maybe I am in the minority here, but I am pretty happy with it the way it is. I usually read through and check before I submit though.

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Follow Up By: Member - G.T. - Monday, Sep 01, 2014 at 18:11

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My thoughts too. Regards G.T.
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Reply By: equinox - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:22

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:22
I vote to leave as is.

As others have said, check your post before submitting if you have concerns.

Alan

PS - I wont preview this posting as it is fairly simple and if some errors get through I'm not concerned. If I was starting a thread or was making a detailed reply then I would almost certainly use the preview feature.

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Reply By: garrycol - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:29

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:29
The current size of this thread is an example of how threads become totally hard to follow at they get larger.

For sure if I want to look at the lastest post you just go to the bottom of the thread but we have followups which are really posts in their own right so to look at these you need to go through each post and go to the bottom to look for the last followup "post" - we are now up to 22 posts so is a bit tiresome.

Why not simply have a layout that is common with 95% of other forums.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 23:15

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 23:15
I just scan down to the new posts and follow ups which are now highlighted in colour, pretty easy.

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Reply By: CSeaJay - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 17:32

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 17:32
This is the 100th reply to this thread!!!
And I too say not having an edit function seems not in tune with the wants of the users and not consistent withany other forum I frequent.
And why pay to become a member? Yes it is a commercial forum, just look around at all the banner advertising, what other forum does one pay to be a membe on?

Really?
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 17:54

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 17:54
CJ, you have missed the point somewhat. Actually count up who wants what and you may be surprised. The simple fact that you have posted should indicate that you do not have to pay to use the forum. The forum has always been free. Of course it's a commercial site. It's been that way since day one, built by Michelle and David from scratch. Perhaps though you could show me all these other forums that provide a comprehensive suite of tools information and features ...for free that is. I pay because I find the added benefits of membership well worth it. To host the amount of pages and images in my blogs would cost me a damn site more than membership here does.

If you think that the site doesn't engender a sense of community amongst like minded people then you simply don't get it. EO is a comprehensive travel website of which the forum is but one small component. Having an edit function won't change that one little bit!

P.S. I'm happy the way it is. I'm a big boy now so I can check my own spelling, use the preview function and even use the in system spell check if I need to.
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 18:01

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 18:01
Hi CJ,

Quite clearly you have not needed to pay to use this forum.

And Yes its a commercial forum, that is quite obvious. Do you have a problem with someone making a living and supporting their family through their hard work. That is what the owners of this site do. If its OK for someone to run other sorts of businesses to make a living, why not a website that happens to include a forum - hardly a novelty these days.

Why does this forum need to be consistent with other forums you or anyone else uses? Its not consistent with facebook or twitter either, but no-one seems to complain about that. There are plenty of other online options to discuss the topics covered here, so where is the sense in them all being carbon copies of each other.
Vive la differance!!!

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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 21:46

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 21:46
Why does this forum need to be consistet with other forums.

because other forums have moved on and are providing a total forum experience that brings traffic and customers.

If you have traffic and customers...you can then make money.

It is that simple.

Providing a satisfying user friendly experience is what it is all about...that is how you grow a business and make money.

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Reply By: The Landy - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 17:45

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 17:45
I wonder what Winston Smith from the Ministry of Truth would have to say about the need for all this “historical revisionism”?

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Follow Up By: disco driver - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 19:00

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 19:00
Mr Landy, sir,
I'm left wondering if your post above has been over corrected by the non existent "edit" button

Did you not mean to comment about the "Hysterical revisionism" rather than the what appeared as "Historical Revisionism"....

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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 20:21

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 20:21
There is only one reason that other forums or chat rooms incorporate an edit function and it is a very good reason too......... their contributors are illiterate and need every assistance to communicate.

Fortunately, the contributors to the ExplorOz forum, with one or two glaring exceptions, have a high level of literacy and do not have need of an aid to writing proficiency. On the rare occasion that an EO contributor incurs an error in text composition or grammatical form, the readers are of such comprehension that the oeuvre, or composition, is so obvious that the reader is left in no doubt of its intent or meaning.

Accordingly, even though the denizens of other forums may require such aids, there is no such general need for the ExplorOz community. It is obvious that David and Michelle have been profoundly aware of this from the beginning and so have not encumbered their clients with such a clumsy appurtenance and may it so continue.

As for adding an emoticon function.......... oh, please save me. A simple LOL suffices

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 20:55

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 20:55
How would an illiterate recognise a spelling error?
In fact it is the people that know & care about their spelling & grammar that would wish to put it right.

This whole thread is a typical example as to why this forum is a mere shadow of itself from 10 years ago, when it was a mine of information & not the nit picking & argumentative place that it is today.
It is no wonder that some of the most knowledgable contributors have left to find greener pastures!

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 21:09

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 21:09
Err, Shaker....."How would an illiterate recognise a spelling error?"
I dunno, where does that relate to the above?
Anyway, it was a joke buddy. I had a bet with my wife as to who would be the first to reply....... and I lost!

I didn't know this forum 10 years ago but I do know that "some knowledgable contributors have left" and the forum is the poorer.

But we digress from the subject.
Hang in there mate.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Sep 04, 2014 at 21:59

Thursday, Sep 04, 2014 at 21:59
Read your own reply above ^^^^^^
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 21:16

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 21:16
OK, I am going to go against the grain on this topic.

At times, I have posted, or replied to something which contains something (when reading back) I would have liked to word differently.

But, rather than the ability to edit the original context, isn't it a simple matter of replying to your own post, or reply to another, by adding a reply correcting your own "mistake"?

Personally, I find a more important issue to be the lack of a really good spell check function to be more important issue.
The one on ExplorOz (for some obscure reason) uses an American based spell checker which is an absolutely ridiculous situation for us proper English speaking Countries.
The American language is nothing more than a lazy bastardization of English.

Personally, given time, I tend to copy & paste a draft of my posts and replies into MS Word, which I can set to English English and obtain the correct form of spelling for Australian use, rather than the bastardised American form.

Many folk don't give a tickers toss for accurate spelling of the ENGLISH language we in Australia have adopted. This can be obviously identified by not only the current generation of school students, but by some of their teachers who should know better. but probably were not taught the correct way when they themselves went to school as more importance was spent on the "phonetic" method, rather than the correct form of spelling.

Now, as I write this and use the ExplorOz Spell Check feature to initially identify spelling errors, I get an annoying "Server Check, Parser Error", so the entire context of my rant is probably wasted.
Even the bastardised Amrerican spellcheck feature is not working:-(

Oh, as for the format of this forum, I have got to say it is somewhat unique in what David has produced and I wouldn't like to see it changed at all.

It is so much a superior forum format to any other forum I have looked at.
The posts and the associated followups occur in an excellent logical way and I believe David is on an absolute winner here.

OK, my rant is over and my wine glass is empty. I can only hope there is some remaining in the bottle, otherwise I am going to be really really sad.





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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 21:38

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 21:38
What I do find so interesting is that some on here would like a spell-checking facility, yet if I, or someone else, were to correct their expression, World War lll, lV and V all break out at once. It is as though their very heart has been speared. They have no interest in learning the correct word or spelling, merely in defending there now obvious illiteracy.

If I were to tell them that they are driving on the wrong tyres they would go to some length to debate the subject, but tell them they have used the wrong word and the response is vitriolic. Why are they not appreciative for the assistance?

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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 21:59

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 21:59
their there Allan
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 23:43

Friday, Aug 29, 2014 at 23:43
Not even a hear here, J and V?
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 09:24

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 09:24
Allan,

Correcting their spelling is akin to telling them they can't drive.......arc up big time.

From some of the damage to the King's English that fronts on here at times, I fear a spell/grammar checker would implode within a few days use. :-).

If a preview function isn't enough, can't see how an edit function will be any better?

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:26

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:26
Yes Bob, a comprehensive spell checker on here would probably consume so much of the processor that the site would slow to a crawl. lol

But let me get this straight....... some want to submit their post then read it, and maybe edit it, before leaving it to public view. Isn't previewing it, and possibly editing before submission, the same thing? We already have the function requested.

As you say, how would an edit function be any better? I am concerned that I will read a post then while I am composing a response the author will edit his post, leaving my response looking inappropriate or worse. This actually happened inadvertently just a few days ago when the Moderators chose to correct someone's post heading leaving my reply inapplicable. I had to chase the Moderator to get my reply removed.


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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:56

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:56
Para:2, couldn't agree more, Allan.

I use the preview on every reply/follow-up, except one-liners, because mistakes seem to be more apparent in the bolder font of preview page. Also helps when adding photos to a post.

I'm happy with the current format........get my notification emails, new replies are colour coded..........suppose it's what you get used to after 11 years.

Even feel for Boobook a little.......his Inbox would be bursting at the seams, these past few days. :-)

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Follow Up By: Slow one - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:58

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:58
Bob,
You are have caused a huge problem now. Seeing we haven't had a British king for 60 odd years are we going to use the spell checker from those days. This would cause even more confusion as words have changed their meaning and many words didn't exist then. Imagine some trying to work that lot out.

I think you are making mischief. LOL.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:01

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:01
Yeah Bob, I like Boobook and I can see where he's coming from, but I can only say... 'Be careful of what you wish for'.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:40

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:40
Ha ha, maybe I am, Slow.

Was tossing up whether to use "King" or "Queen", before posting, and felt that, as old as it is, "King's English" just rolls off the tongue easier. Or should that be "more easily"??? And then there was the use of the word "queen", an often derogatory term, in some circles. :-)

Spell checkers from 60 years ago.......think they called 'em a dictionary?

You're dead right about words having their meaning changed, and all the new words.......the mind "boggles". :-)

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Follow Up By: Slow one - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:56

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:56
Bob,
I love it when Fred Hollows talks about doing eye surgery on the prime minister or the king. What an incredible man.

Today don't be happy be gay. Ha.Ha
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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:48

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:48
SCOREBOARD:

Having little better to do, I added up the votes........

For an edit function......... Nine (9)

Leave it as is..................Sixteen (16)

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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:14

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:14
Or more correctly ,the posts are for 'an edit function' or 'I wouldn't use it'.

If the site had an edit function, it wouldn't be compulsory to use it you know.

It's a bit like voting on say leather seats as an option in a car.

If you don't want it, you wouldn't insist that it should not be available as an option to anyone would you?

Same here surely.



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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:23

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:23
Not quite Boobook.

Did you read my Followup just above?..............
"I am concerned that I will read a post then while I am composing a response the author will edit his post, leaving my response looking inappropriate or worse. This actually happened inadvertently just a few days ago when the Moderators chose to correct someone's post heading leaving my reply inapplicable. I had to chase the Moderator to get my reply removed."

At what point in the progress of the thread would you wish to edit?
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 12:28

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 12:28
Allan

I did address this in the OP and several others. Did you read the OP?

LOL

Anyway my suggestion is that any post be editable until the next post is submitted. Given that any new reply must begin with a click of "reply" or "follow up", the edit function could be locked at that point. So no one could ever claim that they are replying to a previous post that has since changed, it can not even change whilst the text is being entered.

So what is the issue with that if it is optional to use?

This works very well on other forums.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 13:36

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 13:36
David could have just added the preview/edit page as a compulsory second step after the original compose.

1. Compose
2. Preview/edit
3. Post

If my memory is correct, he actually canvassed thoughts on this and the consensus was to give people the option, which is how it is now.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 14:16

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 14:16
Yes Boobook, I did see your earlier expressions re "locking" and was just repeating them for those that do not read all posts. LOL again.

If that can be achieved then I have no objection to an Edit function. Still can't see why it is necessary though.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 15:42

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 15:42
I'd hope that anyone that replies to this thread would at least have the common sense to read the original post, where it's spelled out quite clearly about locking the editing function as soon as a follow up or reply happens.

Otherwise people are replying blindly to something never suggested. And reading many of the replies on this thread, that is exactly what has happened.






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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 16:38

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 16:38
Boobook, don't be such a PIA.

Your OP said "If editing was disabled as soon as a follow up occurs".

I did read that and I did note that, accurately. However I do not agree that edit disabling "as soon as a follow up occurs" is adequate.

I pointed out to you what happened to me a few days ago where an edit was performed whilst I was composing a reply, thus having a significant effect upon the significance of my reply.

There is a subtle yet significant difference between "as soon as a followup occurs" and "locking the edit upon the click of reply" and I, and probably others, are concerned with that difference.
In any case, I doubt that it would be technically practical to lock an edit option whenever another user clicks on "Reply" or "Followup".

Why complicate the thing? If you are so keen to edit, use the existing 'Preview' before submitting. Or even simpler, read what you have typed before submitting. I like simple things, and as I said, I like you. Oh, could I edit that please?

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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 16:46

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 16:46
Allan if you don't care about the request why spend so much goddam time on it.

At any rate, to reply on this forum, you have to hit 'reply' or 'follow up', that could easily lock previous posts. Simple.

Anyway I get it you don't want this feature. You can chose to not use it if implemented. Get over it man.
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Follow Up By: deserter - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 20:11

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 20:11
Fine the way it is. I am used to it after all these years.
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Follow Up By: Aussi Traveller - Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 21:35

Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 21:35
Fair dinkum there are people on this forum that would argue with a friggin light post.

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PS I just used the Preview and return to edit function.
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Follow Up By: Slow one - Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:29

Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:29
Aussie. I did argue with a light post once and it broke 2 of my front teeth.

I still have what is left of them to remind me not to do that again.

Would be nice if they made them out of Balsa. LOL.

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Reply By: fisho64 - Thursday, Sep 04, 2014 at 21:14

Thursday, Sep 04, 2014 at 21:14
Exploroz is a great forum and popular I believe not because of the great software it runs on but maybe on its past glories.
The fact that its forum layout is now quite outdated can be amply demonstrated by looking at the other forum which uses the same layout
http://www.triathlonoz.com/Forum/Default.aspx
The contrast in the successes cannot be more stark.
The other has struggled to even get responses, with maybe 20 threads in the last year and most of those by the "birthday fairy" (whoever he is :-) and the site owners.
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