Outback digital maps for Garmin 2597LMT

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What digital maps are recommended in Micro SD version that will cover in detail outback Australian tracks.Is there a one fits all or do i need individual maps.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 17:51

Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 17:51
You can get Garmin Topo maps of Australia on Micro SD card as low as $20 on Ebay! Yes they are genuine! I have one from Ebay and they work perfectly. Regards, Michael
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 17:53

Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 17:53
And yes they fit your Garmin!! Michael
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 17:58

Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 17:58
Genuine pirated copies

Genuine copies costs $229 - TOPO Australia & New Zealand

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Follow Up By: Batt's - Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 20:51

Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 20:51
I've been wondering what to get as well so thanks Michael I just purchased a $20 micro card to see how it goes.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 21:17

Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 21:17
Copies or not , illegal things like that are removed very quickly from EBay, and the sellers are probably prosecuted . I don't know how it works but the sellers must have something going! Topo v3 I bought from the Netherlands for $70 a few years back, new, and it came in Garmin packaging so who knows! They work perfectly! If you want to pay $200, feel free ! Michael
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 21:20

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I think the $229 hobby is a CD, micro SD is cheaper from memory! Michael
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 21:49

Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 21:49
Hi

No its same price for SD/Micro SD, DVD or download



I was reliably informed by a GPS shop owner who sells Garmins that they (Garmin) do not sell any thing on eBay and authorised sellers aren't allowed to either i.e. all Garmin products on eBay are unauthorised sellers. Where they get there stuff from I dont know...but there is no way in the world those maps would sell for $20 if they were "real" as far as I can figure. Why they are not removed I dont know.

Anyway ..I could be wrong...just my understanding of the issue.

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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 22:20

Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 22:20
Greg! I tend to agree but I can't understand why the products are there week after week! Some call themselves map ,,,,, something as a screen name so it's got me beat. You would think Garmin Aust would be onto EBay to shut them down. They definately work so if Garmin don't care, why should anyone else worry!
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 22:31

Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 22:31
...the maps seem to come preloaded on many GPS units without much (any?) additional cost so maybe you are allowed to sell your legitimate copy of the maps...as many times as you like :)

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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:55

Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:55
I enquired of an ebayer regarding the "legitimacy" of these, never heard from him/her again. The reason pirating occurs can in part be put down to Garmin's approach to licensing (and product support in some cases). Iirc you can't even share data between products you own (remove and replace), let alone run them on on Garmin products "simultaneously".

Licensing is a complex issue and pricing is undoubtedly an encouragemnent to pirating but when it boils down to it stealing data/music/video is theft, as much as we like to argue it away.

Garmin topo didn't come pre-loaded on any Garmin GPS sold by the numerous licensed vendors I looked at more than 18 months ago Greg but maybe things have changed for the better?
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 13:11

Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 13:11
...yes I forgot to mention the legitimate version of Garmin's Topo Australia has to be registered to one GPS (via serial number (or alternatively locked to one SD card)) upon purchase..and cant be used on another GPS (even by same owner (locked SD card can but obviously only one unit at a time)). This is not the case with the Ebay versions (I assume with much certainty).

Johnny Appleseed often sells units with "bonus" free Garmin Topo..though it seems to be limited to one model at the moment..(without reviewing all the bloody things :)



..so my use of the words "preloaded on many GPS units " may have been an exaggeration of the facts, though my point was that legitimate copies are supplied "free" sometimes at least. My comment about re-selling them was tongue in cheek.

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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 13:13

Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 13:13
Just read Heith1's comment below. There's another reason for pirating - no cheap upgrade path, you pay full price for every version.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 13:31

Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 13:31
Think we all know why pirating occurs....my original post was simply to point out that calling Ebay sourced Garmin Topo maps "genuine" was probably a bit misleading (but apparently irrelevant to many).

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Follow Up By: Batt's - Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 18:37

Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 18:37
Along the same line I would like to know why when I buy music CD's from an outlet in a shopping centre and put them on my computer sometimes the title of the album is incorrect and they have a completely different list of songs compared to what is actually on the disc. Why is this happening are these big companies pirating as well surely they could have the correct info on them.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 18:53

Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 18:53
You dont live in Bali do you :)

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Follow Up By: Batt's - Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 19:21

Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 19:21
No I'm in Qld
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 19:21

Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 19:21
Long odds on they are genuine Greg - genuinely pirated copies.
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Reply By: The Explorer - Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 18:06

Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 18:06
Hi

Commercial products -

There is GPSOz's - OzTopo V6

Garmin's - TOPO Australia & New Zealand

Free products -

Shonkymaps - unofficial Garmin compatible topographic map (based on 250K data)

Not sure what would be best for you but start with the free one and see how you go.

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Reply By: turbo 1 - Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 18:37

Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 18:37
I also have the copied topo garmin map from ebay for the same gps.
You will also be surprised how many tracks are on the normal road maps supplied with the unit as well.
I also have used copied ones overseas which also work well.
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Reply By: Member - Will 76 Series - Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 18:54

Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 18:54
I run Oztopo Version 6 also on an SD Card and it is excellent for the outback info. It has excellent topographical detail for map to land. Recommended and works well onthe Garmin.

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Reply By: B1B2 - Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 22:02

Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 22:02
W T,
I use shonkymaps with my Garmin Oregon which is legal and a free download. It is really impressive in detail. To run this using your computer I have used 'Mapsource', I bought this with City navigator and Oregon 300. With this setup you can organise your trip on your computer and copy to your gps. The disadvantage of Shonky is that it will only give ' as the crows fly' where the Garmin one will give on road distance.
'Tracks for australia' is another legal unpirated way to get detail with garmin.
I also use an old Garmin program called 'nRoute' and can plug my small gps into the computer and navigate with my vehicle moving on screen.


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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 07:14

Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 07:14
I have recently purchased a copy of Oztopo v6 from Brian at GPSOZ.
It comes on a microSD which fits straight into the Garmin.
This cannot be copied onto another SD so you are restricted to the one licensed copy on one Garmin device.
Also supplied is a copy on a USB card which you can load onto a PC for use with Garmin Basecamp, etc. This is not restricted and can be loaded and run on multiple PC's.

I am still trying to get my head around this new investment, especially using Basecamp (free) for trip planning, but Oztopo comes with the full Camps7 camp locations, amongst other data I have yet to play with.

My research on the free Shonkymaps is that it has not been maintained for several years and would be somewhat dated by now.
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Reply By: heith1 - Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 09:28

Friday, Sep 12, 2014 at 09:28
I have had a few different gps's over the years and used them extensively in the bush. I agree that "shonky" maps are getting a bit dated. For the Garmin, I would recommend the latest genuine Garmin Topo v4. The reason is that the map is "rout able" unlike others. It is easy to switch between Topo and the CN maps. I also have the new HN7 GPS and can tell you that the Hema maps, are not as good to use as the Garmin Topo V4. The Hema maps have more info on them, but the maps cannot be narrowed down like the Garmin.
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Saturday, Sep 13, 2014 at 19:25

Saturday, Sep 13, 2014 at 19:25
Hema are raster, Garmin are vector - that's why.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Sep 13, 2014 at 21:50

Saturday, Sep 13, 2014 at 21:50
...Plus "Hema maps" are not targeting the same audience/niche. They have been created for a different purpose - if you find them "not as good" then you were using the wrong maps for you intended purpose (everyone is different).Hema maps are top notch for target audience...Garmin topo and Oztopo are also pretty flash. My first GPS back in '92 (I think) had no maps..but crikey it was still very handy.
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Reply By: Sigmund - Saturday, Sep 13, 2014 at 21:20

Saturday, Sep 13, 2014 at 21:20
How much detail?
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