Do you know these people.
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Steve in Kakadu
Last night a couple decided to graffiti the
Daly Waters pub, they were caught on CCTV, this is a copy and paste from their Facebook page.
At the
Daly Waters Pub we have a saying some make us happy by arriving and some(just a few) make us even happier by leaving
Yesterday 2 such people booked into the caravan park An Australian female and an Englishman. Car rego U9F901 from West
Geelong Vic,
This morning we discovered where they (mainly the male) had graffiti plastered in the beer-garden: on our down pipes,our tables and even the power box. The CCT footage is very clear and identifies them clearly.
Thank-you We spend a lot of time and wages to keep the old pub looking good A member of staff had to scrub it off
I could name you as we have your registration at
check in
An apology would be appreciated. It is a fine-able offence. So glad that you are a minority most people have more respect for our property.
We have known Lindsay and Robyn for many years they certainly don't deserve this crap, any way if you know them give them grief.
Reply By: Ron N - Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 13:17
Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 13:17
The police point out, after extensive experience and research, that graffiti crimes are a primary link to other crimes.
So if you have a graffiti merchant playing havoc in your area, he will likely be carrying out, or attempting to carry out, theft and other property crimes, and more than likely doing drugs, too.
As a result, you need to come down hard on graffiti artists.
You need to report graffiti artists and the police need to go through them like a dose of salts when they catch them.
It's not just a simple act of boredom - it's a destructive crime against property, it creates community ill-feeling, it drags an area down, and it costs vast sums every year to clean up.
In addition, you will nearly always find a drug link to graffiti. With drugs, as we all know, there comes robberies to feed their expensive habit - and their graffiti requirements.
So you're liable to have a big increase in spray can & texta theft, and car break-ins and monetary theft, where you have a graffiti artist operating.
In
Perth, the W.A. Police have declared war on graffiti artists, and as result of rounding up a swag of these petty crims, they have found that other crimes have reduced as
well.
It pays to make their life unliveable and to ensure they are penalised at every opportunity until they make a decision to do something useful with their lives.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 15:06
Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 15:06
Interesting theory that Ron, can you provide a link to the studies. Seems intuiitive but of course there are a great variety of graffiti types and "perpetrators". Some graffiti is of significant value to the communities and are fabulous urban art, some is straight vandalism with no intrinsic value or redeeming features.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 16:56
Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 16:56
Bazooka - Here's one study ...
Graffiti triggers crime & littering - study
The UNSW has a long study below, trying to make the case for graffiti as an art form.
I think they fail to understand the difference in attitude between those "graffiti artists" who take pride in their graffiti art works - and which is generally attractive - as compared to the mindless, drug-addled morons who use unsightly "tag" graffiti, purely as a destructive urge outlet.
UNSW - Making the case for legal graffiti as art
Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 17:18
Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 17:18
A better study and outline below. The writer points out the distinction in motivation amongst various graffiti artists and styles, and that a few are geniunely proud of their artistry - but later on, states, "Halsey and
Young (2006) found that the majority of graffiti writers had committed, or been involved, in other types of crime."
The simple fact is that virtually all graffiti artists steal all their paint/texta supplies.
Thus, we can immediately identify that they initially suffer from a criminal bent, they fail to appreciate property ownership, and they fail to show respect to both public and private property.
On every measure, they are social misfits, and they produce virtually nothing but angst wherever they travel.
AIC - Key issues in graffiti
The W.A. Police have little tolerance for graffiti and the W.A. Govt has a State Taskforce designed to reduce graffiti to extremely low levels. Seems funny how Singapore has no graffiti!
W.A. Police crack down on graffitiGoodbye Graffiti - W.A.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew & Jen - Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 17:26
Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 17:26
Bazooka
The correlation between the group in society who behave in a generally anti-social manner and crime has been established for some time. For example, in an area that I was interested in at the time, there was a research paper published by ARRB in the early 70s that demonstrated the link between anti-social behaviour - DV, graffiti, petty crime, common assault in public
places, etc - and road incidents. It showed that the anti-social 8% of society were responsible for 70% of road incidents.
Cheers
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 17:32
Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 17:32
Thanks Ron. From what I could tell those series of tests have little to do with graffitists and more to do with everyday human responses to certain conditions. It's hardly rocket science to expect that people will tend to litter less in a pristine environment for example. Can't see much application in real life Australia BUT it seems to me that anyone who would tag trains MIGHT have no compunction in carrying out certain other "petty" crime. I still doubt however that there is much of a link between the two demographics suggested.
Funny though we can all easily rationalise our own behaviour when it pleases and I can imagine a tagger chucking off at shoplifters etc because that's "real" anti-social behaviour. I've travelled above the speed limit and jaywalked many times as have probably 90% of the
population and as we know both can have far more serious implications in certain circumstances than some moronic tag.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 17:44
Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 17:44
Seriously Andrew? "Anti-social" people caused 70% of road accidents? That's a "study" I'd like to read because it sounds like total nonsense to me. I wonder how they determined who was "anti-social". I understand the logic (petty crime leads to more serious crime etc) but I think there are (may be) certain mindsets involved in graffiting which might not transfer to other "crime". I'm always wary of generalisations and anecdote in cases like these.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew & Jen - Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 18:20
Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 18:20
Bazooka
Road incidents, not road accidents.
Incidents would include things such as cutting people off, running red lights, multiple speeding offences, abusing people verbally, etc.
There are clear definitions of anti-social behaviour accepted by professionals working in the area - psychologists, etc. Maybe have a look on the web if you are interested.
The study was undertaken by a senior police officer in Vic and a psychologist if I recall correctly. It was carried out for ARRB (Australian Road Research Board) and was far from "anecdotal" as they had access to official records.
Cheers
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 18:29
Monday, Dec 01, 2014 at 18:29
Can we get back to the topic please, this thread is not about the demographic of these people, if it was I would have asked that question thanks.
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