So at what age is a vehicle classed as old!!.

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You go into spare parts at a Dealer and get a funny look when you ask for something for a vehicle that's hardly six years old, I'm at the other end of the scale
like to buy something good and keep it forever, but that's not what its about anymore that's for sure!!.


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Reply By: vk1dx - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 19:20

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 19:20
I know what you mean. They can't even get a headlight protector, that fits properly, for the Maxima.

Kingswood HK - 16 years
Falcon XD - 22 years.
Maxima ST - 14 years and still purring like a kitten.
100 series - 4 years so far - it will see me out.
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Reply By: fredwho - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 19:36

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 19:36
A car is only as old as it feels

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Reply By: pop2jocem - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 19:56

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 19:56
I could be wrong, and quite often am, but I thought I had seen somewhere that vehicle manufacturers had by regulation or some type of requirement to make available spare parts for vehicles up to 10 years old. After that, good luck.

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Follow Up By: Axle - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:17

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:17
The after market supply seems to carry on after that, so I suppose it all works out in some sort of fashion.

cheers Axle.
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Reply By: cruiser 3 - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 19:56

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 19:56
I've had my 80 series for 18 years and no problems buying spares, not that it has ever needed much.
I see some beautiful 60 series in my town so they obviously get parts ok as well.
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Follow Up By: OBJ - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:19

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:19
Me too. Mine is a 1991 diesel. I needed to buy a new door spring attachment for the fuel filler flap this week. Ordered it Wednesday afternoon and it arrived from Sydney Thursday morning at 10am.
I asked the spare parts guy was it difficult to find and he said there were plenty in Sydney. Never had any dramas with spares. No plans to replace it. Only done 478,000 km. Just run in.
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:19

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:19
My 75 series is 23 years old and I can still chase up parts for it. Certain parts which are common to later models I can get from Toyota. The rest I can get hold of but not ex a Toyota dealer.

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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:26

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:26
OBJ, Snap.

Not planning to get rid of mine anytime soon either. Mine is just a pup. Only 300,000 clocked up just a few weeks ago.

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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 20:04

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 20:04
Cruiser! I have a soft spot for a good 60 series, I love them. I think they were the vehicle that opened the way for the average Joe to buy a more "car like", more drivable, 4x4. Its pleasing to the eye if you see a perfect example driving around. Michael
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Reply By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:01

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:01
Own a 40 series - funny there's still plenty of parts around if you know where to look.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:12

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:12
Are they new ones?
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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 22:44

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 22:44
For the most part
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Reply By: Ron N - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:44

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 20:44
I was reading an article the other day that stated that the average age to vehicle scrapping is now 13 years, down 2 yrs since year 2000.

You will have problems getting trim components after as little as 3 yrs, you will have trouble getting "slow-moving parts" (i.e. parts not often ordered) after as little as 8 years, and by 12 years, many parts are "ex-Japan" (or wherever they are made or kept).
Holden parts are NLA (no longer available) after around 20 yrs, Ford are NLS (no longer serviced) after around 20 yrs - and if you have a Jeep, good luck on getting any parts at all, even for current vehicles! [;-)

Aftermarket suppliers are pretty good at keeping up supplies and basic components for around 30 yrs.
GMB supply water pumps for just about anything still running, and you can still get a good range of aftermarket stuff for old Holdens, Fords, and Toyotas of the 80's.

I found out that Mazda and Toyota have totally wiped any records of vehicles built before 1977, you can't even get any form of parts catalogues for them. Everything for the years before 1977 has been binned, along with any parts older than that, lying in Japanese parts warehouses.

If you have a vehicle for sale, 2002 is the oldest year model that car-buying organisations will consider buying.
It's almost impossible to get finance on any vehicle older than 12 yrs, unless you pay an exorbitant interest rate.

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Follow Up By: SDG - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 21:51

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 21:51
And if you do want parts for something from the 70's or older, your paying through the nose for them. Especially if it a collectable vehicle.
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Reply By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 21:36

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 21:36
G`day Axle.
My old girl, wagon, not the missus, 60 series TD will have it`s 30th birthday in March next.
360,000 something on the clock and it`s still doing outback trips.
A good front door trim has been the only part that was difficult to find.
It`s never had any computer/electronic type problems and that`s why i`m going to keep it. LOL

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Follow Up By: Member - Keith P (NSW) - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 22:10

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 22:10
MY wagon is now 17 years old. Hadda small prang a cuppla weeks back...and all body parts...including stickers...all turned up genuine within 2 weeks. My other car (1984 Peugeot 505 ) is still ok to get parts for...some genuine and some aftermarket. Have only had one thing I haven't been able to buy new in 24 years of ownership so far.

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Follow Up By: Member - 178 - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 08:47

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 08:47
Our old 60 series wagon will be 30 yrs old in January and we went to the kimberley this year and heading back again next year. 250K and never had a problem getting parts. Got a 2011 Mitsubishi and wouldnt even consider taking there.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 22:28

Saturday, Dec 13, 2014 at 22:28
The OKA is 21 next year, so a party will be due, I reckon.
500,000km and going strong.

Margaret's 1987 Mazda 121 will be eligible for classic registration in 3 years.
280,000km. It can't depreciate any more. :)

No plans to sell either. No problems maintaining either.

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Reply By: Member - Norm & Lisa - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 07:12

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 07:12
I wonder how insurance companies are looking at older vehicles as trims and panels become less available. Used to be that insurance got cheaper as the market value decreased but maybe that is no longer the case. I did read somewhere a while ago that Great Wall vehicles were having problems getting replacement panels.
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Follow Up By: baznpud (tassie) - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 09:03

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 09:03
We have a 2002 100 series V8 Cruiser, to us, worth a fortune with all the extras, have a small prang, say, bend the bull bar, and damage the front guard, the insurance company will say the damage is greater than its value, and write it off.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:25

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:25
Norm & Lisa - The insurance companies will write a vehicle off without a second thought, if it poses any problem to repair, as regards cost or availability.
I've seen a lot of good older vehicles with moderate kms written off due to what appeared to be minimal damage.

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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:39

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:39
Re the Great Wally - Mate living on Cocos-Keeling Islands bought a new Great Wally 2WD dual cab in 2008.
It's done 20,000 kms and it's badly rusted out. The metal in them is thin and poorly protected against corrosion under the paint.
He had the brake master cylinder fail and the dealer tried 3 times to send him the right one. Even the 3rd one doesn't fit properly.
He's had it up for sale for $2000 and can't even get a kind look for it.
This is the place where it costs $7000 to freight a vehicle to, from Fremantle.
Ray reckons he's probably going to take the Great Wally up to the tip soon and dump it - as soon as the next major thing goes wrong with it.

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Follow Up By: fredwho - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 14:18

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 14:18
baznpud (tassie) posted:
"We have a 2002 100 series V8 Cruiser, to us, worth a fortune with all the extras, have a small prang, say, bend the bull bar, and damage the front guard, the insurance company will say the damage is greater than its value, and write it off.
baz"


I have a 1999 SR5 and recently T boned someone crossing from a side street they ignoring the Stop sign. Insurance paid out around $13K to repair my car but it must have been line ball for a car that old. I don't think the bullbar being written off is considered part of the vehicle red book value, so in my case, just guessing, taking off $2K or $3K for the bullbar cost would leave say $10K which makes it close to market value but maybe just under. So just saying, dont worry about damage to the bull bar adding to the likelyhood of writing off your car. If they replace the car they also have to compensate for the additional bullbar damage too. That's what I believe anyway.

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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 08:46

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 08:46
Our '87 Troopy is still going strong and rarely needs parts - in fact a real concern is the chance of him being stolen as a source of spares, usually for export to Africa.

On a trip a little while back thought we had a carby problem so we went to a dealer to see if there was anyone who could give it a skilled look - no problem says the pretty young receptionist - err..do you know what a carby is? - well....no, but I'm sure there's someone here who will. Someone did - an older bloke who sent me to the town's expert on such things.

When is a vehicle old? When it's value starts to rise!

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 09:32

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 09:32
"When is a vehicle old? When it's value starts to rise!" Yep. I like that John
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Follow Up By: Life Member-Doug T NSW - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 10:05

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 10:05
Yeh like the Falcon GTHO's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:31

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:31
"When is a vehicle old?"

When people stop you and make offers to buy your vehicle off you.
When you see your model appearing at Shannons Auctions.
When you see people stop and look, and you hear them say, "Gee, I haven't seen one of them for a while!"
When you find your make and model vehicle at "Classic Car Display" days!!

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Follow Up By: Axle - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:57

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:57
Makes you laugh! Ron, ..I was offered a old Chev canvas roof and all good working order,.. Being a young idiot" What the hell am I going to do with that" were my thoughts..lol.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 13:19

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 13:19
Axle, if you're around my age, you'll probably remember when every nearly one of our mates was either an apprentice panel beater or mechanic.

FJ Holdens were a dime a dozen, and good, rust-free FJ's with modest miles could be bought for 50 to 150 quid ($100 to $300).

So every one of our mates bought a good used FJ and promptly chopped it up with modified tail lights, modified headlights, modified wheels and axles and brakes, engine swaps, and wild paint jobs!

As a result, good FJ's practically disappeared by the early 1970's - and all those "modified" ones got thrashed, pranged, and deteriorated very rapidly, until they were scrapped - usually within 5-10 yrs!

Now a good FJ is worth $25,000! I often wonder how many of my mates are kicking themselves!

When I was in the Army and in Sydney in 1970, a mate and I were walking past a car yard, and we spotted a superb FJ sedan for sale.

It had a genuine 21,000 miles (34,00kms) on the clock and it still had perfect, unmarked original floor mats in it!

The car dealer wanted $900 for it!! We laughed and thought the dealer was a dreamer! - you could buy a near new HK Holden for $1300!
I had enough money to buy the FJ, but I didn't want an ancient chariot!
No sir, I went and bought a beaut low-mileage HD Holden, with a hot 179 and automatic, for $1100 instead!! Waaaa-ah!! LOL
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Reply By: Pradobob - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:10

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:10
I live in SA. A few weeks ago I needed a thermostat housing, fan belt and a couple of other bits for my daughter's 85 Celica. Sprint auto parts in Port Adelaide had all the parts in stock.
The local car air-con spare parts distributors were able to sell me the puller for the air-con compressor pulley...also in stock.
Dealers wouldn't carry many parts nowadays that are older than the current model.
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 14:23

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 14:23
Its my understanding that Mercedes stock parts for even preWW2 models, but that after about 20 years they inflate the prices year by year to cover the stocking cost.
I have a friend who is now 90 who bought a 67 Mercedes 280SL new and had it for 25 years.
After about 18 years or so she had a prang which resulted in a broken star in the grille.
The new one cost $1500 back in about 1992. The car is now owned by the Merc Dealership at Maroochydore as a display unit.

Porsche also carry parts for a long time. I had a 1984 924 turbo which had been fitted with a local aircon and overheated. I was at Scuderia Veloce one day in about 2000 and asked if they could get me a 2 fan radiator shroud. No problem 2 weeks from Germany and cost only $125.
Of course the best is probably Land Rover where the pom specialists remake parts for even 48 models and there is still NOS around from various armies. AFAIK you can still get new engines for series 2 and also MOD recod ones .
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Follow Up By: Axle - Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 19:37

Sunday, Dec 14, 2014 at 19:37
Hi Phillip, Its a funny thing with landrover, for a while early defenders ,Discos, were a shocker for part prices and availability,Now! you can get bits at the local butcher, Cheap To, a complete turnaround!

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Monday, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:50

Monday, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:50
on a trip in 2010 I went to toyota in darwin to get a transfer case seal replaced on my 97 80 series.only to be told they didnt work on old vehicles.
when questioned further I was informed they would only service vehicles still under warranty.
they did offer to take the job on and outsource to another workshop at $140per hour.
I asked who they would use and was given a list. then went direct to one of those and got the job done at $100 per hpur.
would be interested if still the same today as methinks the economy may have changed somewhat and perhaps toyota are no longer in a situation to be so picky with the work they take on.
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