Native title granted for two thirds of Eyre Peninsula

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Looks like we will soon need to apply for permits to drive Eyre Peninsula ;)

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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 16:49

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 16:49
Lucky we are all in this together and we are all Australians! How good is that!! Michael
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Follow Up By: tazbaz - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 17:16

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 17:16
Well said Michael! It will put some control on mine development about to rapidly expand and stuff the place.
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Follow Up By: Honky - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 17:45

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 17:45
From what happens in WA I do not think Native title has any effect on mining exploration , more on who gets the royalties.

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Follow Up By: passionfruit - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 17:52

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 17:52
Honky------------your on the money that reply.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 18:20

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 18:20
Tazbaz! I think you missed my point! Michael
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Friday, Jan 23, 2015 at 08:55

Friday, Jan 23, 2015 at 08:55
Our family used to live at Peats Ferry on the Hawkesbury River. We were the original owners of the ferry service that formed part of the highway north from Sydney. There is even a monument to our mob so one would say that my clan were of significant historical importance.

It is right where that big bridge crosses the river.

I wonder how much luck we would have!! Just imagine how the Community Funds would be assisted with the tolls! The Government would save by not having to pay my pension.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:02

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:02
taz baz yours is the kind of il informed and basically unthought comemts i find myself having to debunk all to often
stiuff the EP?
the vast majorty of the EP has been clearfelled and bulldozed and fenced off - how exactly could it get more stuuffed? the result is rising saline water stuffing even more land and resulting the todd resivour dam on the penninsula supplying scheme water becoming posoned by salt and unusable
no one ever complains about agricultuture because minings bad mmkay?
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Follow Up By: tazbaz - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2015 at 12:34

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2015 at 12:34
Get outmode - its people like you the reason that in Australia we have an Australian Labor Party
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 19:33

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 19:33
I guess as tourists/visitors we have the choice to go there or not.

What about the non aboriginal people who live and work in the areas, have done maybe for generations, and maybe own "freehold'' their land and houses?

How does a ruling such as this affect them?

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 20:33

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 20:33
Hi

No expert but 99.9% sure freehold land is typically not "claimable". Also keep in mind aboriginal people (including those not necessarily involved in the "claim") may also own freehold land in the area in question.

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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 22:48

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 22:48
I think I understand where you are coming from Greg. Yes, I should have been more explicit regarding the aboriginal people that may have settled in that area but not of the family groups involved. I do understand that not being from a particular family group either by blood or marriage precludes them to much the same degree as any non aboriginal. This is how it works for Arnhem Land so I am assuming this principle holds true elsewhere, hence the ongoing issues with the Port Augusta area being subject to a counter claim by another family group.
If you have read the article referred to in the link provided by the OP, fine, but if you have not, may I politely suggest you have a read of the paragraphs following the heading "Judgement could set precedent for claims in SA, interstate". The comments are attributed to solicitor Philip Teitzel.

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 23:04

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 23:04
Oh well - we may all start having to pay rent (if you aren't already) :)

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Reply By: equinox - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 20:23

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 20:23
Perhaps....however we really need to read the full judgement, so we can see if all the claims of the Barngarla People have been granted.

Federal Court / Native Title Tribunal will usually publish the determinations within 48 hours.


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Reply By: Crusier 91 - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 21:48

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 21:48
I've done plenty of remote fishing in SA on now "Aboriginal Native Title Land". I'm all for it!!! Keeps those corporate bastard's at bay. I love fishing and camping the way Nature and Aboriginal Ancestor's intended.
To hell with our modern day governments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!they have lost their way!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Crusier 91 - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 21:53

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 21:53
Today's government is the "pits". Our business deals with SA Government. We make good money at the Tax Payer's expense.
If the general public only knew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! of the waste!!!!!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Crusier 91 - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 21:57

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Follow Up By: ModSquad - Friday, Jan 23, 2015 at 07:56

Friday, Jan 23, 2015 at 07:56
And the immediate problem for all is keeping this post on topic. This is a 4x4, travel and camping website. As such the rules ask you to keep it relevant to the core topics of the site. EO is not a site for any political rant or discussion about government/opposition policies.

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Follow Up By: Mick T3 - Friday, Jan 23, 2015 at 19:43

Friday, Jan 23, 2015 at 19:43
Yeow, where are Land Rights going? The effect is to stop most citizens of Australia from travelling in their own country.

And most indigenous people live out of their homelands as life in the towns and communities is less arduous.

Yet those wonderful bush Aboriginals...what can one say?
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Saturday, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:54

Saturday, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:54
No different to driving on large parcels of land owned by people. You cannot enter this land without permission.
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Reply By: ModSquad - Friday, Jan 23, 2015 at 08:01

Friday, Jan 23, 2015 at 08:01
Forumites, this can be an emotive topic and as seen above, can easily run of course. Considered responses in relation to the topic are welcome. Political rants and any abasement of community groups will not be tolerated. This is a travel and camping website, please remember that.

I think equinox has made the right suggestion. Having a read of the determination may go a long way to preventing misinformation.

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Reply By: Kumunara (NT) - Friday, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:03

Friday, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:03
Wicket

You do not need permits on Native Titles Areas.
Permits are relevant to Aboriginal Land such as Arnhem Land in the NT and the AYP Lands in SA.



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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Jan 23, 2015 at 20:37

Friday, Jan 23, 2015 at 20:37
Look at what's happened in other areas of SA. I would interpret this move as a positive, particularly considering the vast majority of this land is pastoral.

The SA sections of the Great Victoria Desert were handed back in recent years and have never had better tourist access. We can now visit Maralinga (when the Commonwealth Govt was in control I had to jump a million hoops in Canberra to get access for my first trip).

Biggest access problems I'd guess are those governed by mining and some pastroral leases.
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Reply By: Member - Fab72 (Paradise SA) - Saturday, Jan 24, 2015 at 09:46

Saturday, Jan 24, 2015 at 09:46
I see very little impact once you read the fine print.

Generally speaking land that is bound by a native title is still accessible by travellers. A little less so if you're planning on setting up a drilling rig.

In fact, you've got more chance of accessing land under a native title than you would land that has been commandeered by the Australian defence force or by Gina Rinehart.

Paying for a permit doesn't faze me either. Having travelled through Europe, I became irate at the tolls, fees, cross border charges I had to pay at what seemed like every few hundred kms. We've, in comparison got it pretty lucky here.

The time it takes for some desk jockey to rubber stamp a permit is more frustrating than the $$$ in most cases but with the internet and a credit card, things are improving.

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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Saturday, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:24

Saturday, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:24
But Fab we can't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Why would you read the whole story ? If you did you would have nothing to off about, I guess that's how forum roll though. Lol
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Follow Up By: Member - Fab72 (Paradise SA) - Sunday, Jan 25, 2015 at 09:47

Sunday, Jan 25, 2015 at 09:47
Exactly Steve. :)
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Reply By: Omaa - Saturday, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:47

Saturday, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:47
Not commenting on any of above. I commented that we had received our permit for travel across the Gary Junction Road this year & was heard by our 12 year old granddaughter. She asked why we need a permit & I said that was the law. Her comment, and I quote "I though this was a free country!"
From a 12 year old.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Saturday, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:55

Saturday, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:55
And did you also explain that you have to get permission to go across privately owned land - no difference.
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Follow Up By: Alan S (WA) - Saturday, Jan 24, 2015 at 15:51

Saturday, Jan 24, 2015 at 15:51
And gary a permit is easy to get for a small fee. Almost no difference to tolls paid on roads an bridges.
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Follow Up By: Omaa - Sunday, Jan 25, 2015 at 10:49

Sunday, Jan 25, 2015 at 10:49
Did not need to explain private land trespassing to her
By the way there is no cost for the permits . They arrive online & you just print out & put in vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Sunday, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:17

Sunday, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:17
If you didn't need to explain private land trespassing to her, why did she ask the question ? because without the permit you are trespassing on private land.
Just sayin.
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