Do we get ripped off?

Submitted: Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 01:21
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I had cause to buy a set of rear leaf springs today for a 20 ton Franna crane.
There are 9 leaves in the pack the the springs are 75 wide 10 mm thick and the whole lot is about 1200 long.

$148.00 each set.

OME rears for my cruiser were 400 od dollare per corner.

Price gouging or have we just been carefully trained to pay through the nose??
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Reply By: Member - Ed. C.- Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 03:07

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 03:07
Totally agree!!! (with your last sentence)....
Perfect example is the recent "hot debate" (or should that be mass-debate???)
about a certain brand of air compressor....
(what should be) a $50 item retailing for $400, & when people get them for $300 or less, they think they "done good".... (Don't wish to offend anyone, but that's my view)...
Many, many other examples abound in the "spare parts & accessories dept."...
I was quoted over $100 recently for a "Genuine Nissan" oil filter (GU 4.2, they have 2 different filters.. the other was $20-odd)... Told them to keep it (or words to that effect), I'll stick with the Ryco's, Thank You Very Much!!!

Have you had a look 'round a "camping store" lately??

I could go on, but I'd better leave it at that......

Regards, Ed. C.
Confucius say.....
"He who lie underneath automobile with tool in hand,
....Not necessarily mechanic!!"

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Follow Up By: Savvas - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 07:25

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 07:25
Ed....

To underline the compressor rip-off, how is it that you can buy just about anywhere now a 240V 2hp or so air compressor with tank and accessories/tools for less than $200?

Yet the smaller 12v jobs are twice as much.

I agree with your view 100%.
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Follow Up By: Rojac - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 07:53

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 07:53
As long as the demand is there and people keep paying these excessive prices, the retailers wont drop them. How many imported items from the states have dropped in price due to the increase of the aussie $$??
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Reply By: Diesel 1 - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 09:35

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 09:35
G'day Brett,
I,m with you 110% on this one mate. I shopped around for a suspension upgrade for my Troopy last year - tried ARB, TJM etc and was quoted the usual 'stick it up the poor bloody motorist' prices. A mate put me on to NT Spring Works who did a pretty good deal on h/d springs, OME shocks and damper, greaseable shackles plus fitting at half the price of the major players. The only thing I didn't get in the deal was an ARB or TJM sticker on the back window.

How many people out there are being ripped off by the 'big name' companies because they believe it is the only way to go.

It really pays to shop around - I saved more than $1500 on the suspension upgrade.

Diesel 1
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Reply By: Member - Brett H (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 10:00

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 10:00
Truck parts are traditionally cheaper.

The local tuck spare parts did an exercise comparing a full brake overhaul/rebuild between a late model Falcon and a single steer, bogey drive International Truck.
The Falcon was $80 more expensive.

Makes you wonder doesn't it??

I was also talking to Truckline and they told me that they are often very very price competitive in suspension. The fellow mentioned that as they buy a lot of springs for trucks and trailers from Carrolls the 4x4 springs are able to be sold at a better price than the 4by stores.

I , however did not ask for a price.

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Follow Up By: robb - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 14:26

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 14:26
Am just wondering out loud here... But I also wonder if you had to have your 4by diesel engine rebuilt if it would be cheaper to get a Truck Diesel Mechanic to do it... Not sure... Just a thought....
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Follow Up By: Member - Brett H (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 18:02

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 18:02
I used to take my International truck in Sydney to an Inter agent and his hourly rate was 48 per hour. (4 years ago) at the time my brother in law was working for SAAB and they were charging 80 bucks per hour.

I also think that truck mechanics are more likley to have more overall skills than a modern day car mechanic as they do repair things and not just relpace........
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Follow Up By: ross - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 20:31

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 20:31
Robb if your getting a rebuilt motor ,the best places to go are proper engine reconditioners that are accredited and rebuild their motors to Austraian Standards.Mechanics can competantly rebuild motors,but you cant do it cheaper than someone who does it all day.
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Reply By: rolande- Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 15:45

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 15:45
I hope you are not all assuming that when you purchase your new pride and joy the manufacturer is charging the lowest $$$$$ they can! Everything is sold at the highest price someone is willing to pay, no sales, price goes down, lots of sales, price goes up, simple economics supply and demand
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Reply By: Bilbo - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 17:23

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 17:23
Yes, we are being ripped off. But we do ask for it don't we ;)

ARB is listed on the Australian Stock Exchange. The prosecution rests it case, m'lud.

Bilbo
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 19:37

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 19:37
"Price gouging or have we just been carefully trained to pay through the nose??"

Probably the oldest rule in business applies here.
"Supply and demand"

Quite simple really...

If you were the suspension mobs, would you drop your prices from $1600 to $148 with people happy to pay $1600??

No, neither would I.
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Follow Up By: Member - Brett H (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:43

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:43
I agree, neither would I.

Isn't it amazing how car and 4x4 owners have been trained to pay through the nose.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:50

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:50
and bike, dont forget motocycles.

for a 180x55x17 inch tire, $300-400.... you may get 8000klms out of it if your lucky...
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Follow Up By: pathfinder - Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 14:15

Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 14:15
ah yes Truckster, but that 8000kms is worth every cent of the $3-400...
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 21:26

Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 21:26
pathy, not when ya did the amount of klms we were doing.. :(
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Reply By: Michael_FNQ - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 20:01

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 20:01
Next time I see a 20 tonne crane doing 120km/h on some of Australias worst corrugations and handling perfectly I will check what brand of springs. Do the OME springs do the job? Have you seen anything that rides and handles better?
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Reply By: Michael_FNQ - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 20:09

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 20:09
Forgot to ask, when you hire your crane do you charge it out at the cheapest possible price you can (just above cost?), or do you try and get the highest rate the market will bear and then some if possible. How do you like operators that buy cheap bleep crane and under cut and work for just wages and then go broke after a couple of years. Hopefully you provide a quality product and service and charge market rate.
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Follow Up By: Member - Brett H (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:41

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:41
I Dry hire cranes only. And we are the most expensive in QLD and proud of it too.

However the basis for the original post was the price difference between the 2 types of product. I , in fact expected to pay about $1000 for the Franna springs as everything else is damn expensive that is crane related, but I was plesantly surprised.
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Reply By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:06

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:06
Franna are made in QLD... Correct me if i am wrong.....So did you buy direct????
I rekon if we could buy the shocks direct and pay what the 4x4 shops pay we would get a huge shock.... (pardon the pun) shock... hehehehe.......
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Follow Up By: Member - Brett H (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:45

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:45
Actually no.
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Follow Up By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 22:30

Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 22:30
I stand corrected then...
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