Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 12:32
Heiner - The answer to your question is; On the extremely rare occasion when someone with a criminal or violent bent decides to attack you, you are allowed to defend yourself with equal force.
If you injure or kill the attacker, then you will end up in court having to explain how the injury or death occurred whilst trying to defend yourself from an unprovoked attack.
You would have to provide evidence the attack was unprovoked.
If you lie about the circumstances, then it's very likely your lies will be exposed, and you will be found guilty of either manslaughter, or causing "grievous bodily harm".
Fortunately, Australia has a fairly good record for personal safety. Most attacks on persons are provoked, it is extremely rare to have an unprovoked attack.
Having said that, drug use IS an increasing problem in Australia, and heavy drug users are often paranaoic or schizoprenic and very unpredictable in their behaviour.
However, it's rare to find heavy drug users in the remote and rural areas. They cluster in the poorer, more violent suburbs of our cities.
I have been attacked twice in my life - both times I "provoked" the offender by trying to stop a violent assault on a woman, in broad daylight, in the street.
One of them was most certainly a very violent drug-using offender, he was much larger than me, and I was lucky to escape him.
As a result I am very wary of trying to actually stop any personal assault. My wife and I just recently witnessed a violent assault by one large male on a smaller male in broad daylight in the middle of
Perth.
The offender was Aboriginal and almost certainly a heavy drug user. Numerous other people tried to stop the assault and they were assaulted themselves.
This offender was very violent, and used anything to hand as a weapon - bar stools, signs, and poles.
You will find that the greatest risk of assault in Australia is from drunk or drug-affected Aboriginals. Be very wary of them, particularly if they outnumber you.
They will nearly always ask for .. A: - cigarettes, B: - money - C: - an alcoholic drink.
Be firm, never give them anything, and be very alert to them getting very angry, very quickly, when you refuse their request.
Be alert to them carrying a weapon such as a piece of wood, a large screwdriver, or a piece of metal.
Be firm in your refusal, and ensure you don't turn your back on them, because they are "dirty fighters" and will attack you from behind and when you are distracted. Their aim is always to bash and rob you.
This does not mean that ALL Aboriginals are dangerous. The largest proportion of Aboriginals are friendly enough, but they have a propensity to violence and destruction if angered.
You can take precautions by learning some basic martial arts moves. My stepson and his lady are top-class Mixed Martial Arts exponents and they have won international competitions.
My stepson has taught me numerous moves that disable an attacker quickly. As a Vietnam Veteran, I was also taught some basic enemy disabling moves in the Army.
Using a leg to kick out at an attackers knee, from the front or side, disables an attacker quickly, because it dislocates the knee.
A kick to the diaphragm disables an attacker as he struggles to breathe. Cutting off air to an attacker is important, if they struggle to breathe, they forget the attack as they try to get air.
If you do end up in close quarters contact, you can carry out a neck lock from the rear.
You place your left arm around the attackers neck, and twist it so the forearm bone is against the "Adams apple" (the thyroid cartilage surrounding the larynx).
You then raise your right arm, with the forearm vertical, and grasp the middle of the right forearm with your left hand (left hand palm against the right arm forearm).
By then pulling your right arm towards you, you develop a vice-like grip on your attackers neck, via your left arm.
Gripping the middle of your right arm increases the leverage, and increases the pressure you can apply with your left arm muscles.
The left forearm bone in great pressure contact with the "Adams apple" causes extreme pain and commences to crush the larynx, thus cutting off the attackers air supply.
This move disables most attackers quickly, as they merely grab your arms and try to remove them, which is nearly impossible to do.
A trained martial arts person, when faced with a neck lock as above (or a headlock), uses their right elbow to punch rearwards into an attackers diaphragm.
You make a fist with your right hand, and smack your fist hard with your open left hand, at the same time as punching hard rearwards with the right arm - thus performing the equivalent of a hammer and punch motion to the attackers diaphragm.
When faced with an attacker holding or swinging a weapon of some type, avoid the weapon swing, then attack as the swing goes past and the attacker is unbalanced.
Kick the arm holding the weapon to try and break it, or utilise the diaphragm or knee kick as above, to bring the attacker down.
If you spend a little time learning some basic martial arts disabling moves, you will be more confident and be able to "handle yourself" if the situation deteriorates.
Always be confident and alert - attackers look for weakness such as fear, reduced defence ability because you are drunk - and they will often try to outnumber you.
Carrying pepper spray in Australia is illegal, as is carrying large knives or machetes - unless you can prove you have a legal use for that item.
Naturally, in the rural and outback areas of Australia, a good size knife is very handy, and an excuse can be, it is a fishing knife or boning knife for cutting up meat. [;-)
Self Defence techniques
Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Lionel A - Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 17:42
Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 17:42
Crikey Ron, between you and your ego I'm surprised there's any room for your wife in the relationship.......lol.
Cheers....Lionel.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 23:35
Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 23:35
Lionel - Ha ha! You ought to see my missus in action! Four of us - BIL (Snr Sgt), BIL's wife, myself, and missus were walking past a nightclub that was on the other side of the street, probably 20 yrs ago - and a huge bouncer came out of the nightclub dragging a patron and pounding him to a pulp!
Us blokes all looked on and thought, "
Well, the p#i$# probably deserved a hiding for trying to smack a bouncer - but before 10 seconds were up, the missus was across the street, and had the bouncer by the collar and was pulling him off the patron, shouting, "That's enough!!"
We all went a bit slack-jawed at this turn of events - and believe it or not, the bouncer let the bloke go, and just turned on his heel and walked back into the club!!
Now, my missus is a big girl (5' 9" in the old figures) and she's a Superintendents daughter - so I guess it was the old policing genes coming through! LOL
We all berated her for taking on the bouncer - but she was right, of course - a lot of bouncers are too brutal. However, there was no way we were going to interfere and collar a bouncer!! But, she's a girl of principles and she wades right in, where angels fear to tread! LOL
Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:59
Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:59
I find these remarks below by Ron N disgusting to say the least, they are racist bigoted and simply not true. You can find this behavior happens in any town city or country for that matter daily by any race colour or creed.
"You will find that the greatest risk of assault in Australia is from drunk or drug-affected Aboriginals. Be very wary of them, particularly if they outnumber you. They will nearly always ask for .. A: - cigarettes, B: - money - C: - an alcoholic drink. Be firm, never give them anything, and be very alert to them getting very angry, very quickly, when you refuse their request. Be alert to them carrying a weapon such as a piece of wood, a large screwdriver, or a piece of metal. Be firm in your refusal, and ensure you don't turn your back on them, because they are "dirty fighters" and will attack you from behind and when you are distracted. Their aim is always to bash and rob you. This does not mean that ALL Aboriginals are dangerous. The largest proportion of Aboriginals are friendly enough, but they have a propensity to violence and destruction if angered."
Ron you should be ashamed of these words, others may not find them offensive but I certainly do.
As for you Ron's special online self defense lesson that was dangerous and laughable, Dangerous because without proper training this could lead someone into a false sense of security, and laughable because you believed you could teach someone self defense in an online
forum in a few sentences.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 13:23
Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 13:23
Steve - The facts refute your claims. There's nothing like rolling out the "racist" and "bigot" card when a particular group of troublemakers is identified.
The facts are, that Aboriginals make up a vastly larger % of people charged with crimes of personal assault, car theft and robbery, than any other group in our nation.
That is something that both you and those calling themselves Aboriginal, can't possibly deny.
Now doubt you'll no come back and complain about the fact that Aboriginals are "victimised" and "are struggling with identity and cultural problems", just as all the Aboriginal apologists do.
When you see
police stationed full time at the exit to the supermarkets in
Alice Springs, just to try and keep theft by Aboriginals to a minimum, then you'd have to admit that the group you are trying to defend, don't have a defense to the fact that a substantial number of that group are basically violent thieves.
I'm not ashamed of anything for calling a spade a spade. What I have seen happen regularly to friends and family who previously were quite tolerant of Aboriginals, is that they are now becoming very hardened and intolerant of Aboriginals. It's not racism, it's just whites becoming sick of violent, thuggish Aboriginals.
My stepdaughter and stepson were tolerant of them until they suffered a break-in by an Aboriginal who got away with $35000 worth of jewellery, money, computers, and personal goods.
Their house was just one of dozens broken into by this thugs crime spree. His modus operandi? Kicking in the front door and helping himself. You should see how little time that pair have for Aboriginals now.
My wife was extremely tolerant of Aboriginals until we visited
Katherine,
Darwin,
Warburton, Yarrabah - and many other
places where Aboriginal violence is common and constant. She now has little time for them. You must travel around with your eyes shut, or live a very blinkered life.
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 14:27
Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 14:27
Ron,
While your observation of the statistics surrounding Aboriginal crime rates may be correct, your attitude will certainly do nothing to improve the situation in the future. Steve in
Kakadu is quite correct calling you out on a pretty offensive post. Calling a spade a spade assumes all the spades are the same and they are not. Luckily there are smart people..err apologists, working on the problem and it will eventually be resolved. I think anyone living in the conditions prevalent in some outback/urban slum communities would react the same. It's a human condition not confined to race.
As for self defence techniques, I believe Harry Potter spells are still legal in Australia.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 14:40
Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 14:40
Michael - My attitude will change when the violent criminal Aboriginals attitude to treating everyone as targets to be bashed and robbed, changes. Isn't the old Zen saying, "change comes from within"?
These people constantly reject every outside attempt to reform their behaviour. When I see some serious attitude change amongst this group to treating everyone property as theirs, and using violence to acquire it, I might be forced to change my attitude. I won't be holding my breath waiting for that.
W.A. Police Chief says "face up to Aboriginal crime".
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 15:14
Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 15:14
Ron your post speaks volumes about your racist and bigoted
views, I am not an aboriginal apologist at all and I too call a spade a spade, that is why I am calling you out on your racist rant.
I have seen most of your posts and you seem to be an expert on everything, so therefore you must have the actual statistics that prove this statement.
"The facts are, that Aboriginals make up a vastly larger % of people charged with crimes of personal assault, car theft and robbery, than any other group in our nation."
But I doubt it, you will come back with some wah wah no answer speech I would expect from a politician but no actual facts.
To qualify my position, I have lived in and around aboriginal communities all my life, from
Kakadu to west Arnhemland, I am considered family in this area and I am heavily involved in the joint management of
Kakadu.
As I speak I have several aboriginal kids running around my house playing with my kid, my wallet is sitting on the table and I am in no fear of it going missing, some of the boys are helping me get the go kart and motor bike ready for some fun at the go kart track tomorrow, I also have a bedroom for my uncle from Gunbalanya (Oenpelli ) he stays here when he is in town, in fact he is the one of 2 people I have employed that were totally reliable.
I lent old man $3000 a few years ago to pursue his painting, he is a
well respected artist in this area and he has been published as
well, He paid me back ever cent without question.
I don't travel around with my eyes shut far from it and I certainly don't live a blinkered life, I can assure you though I have been (visited) many more aboriginal communities than you ever will.
Oh by the way I was in Alice over xmas I was talking to the copper at the Todd tavern and he wasn't there to stop theft he was there to stop those on the alcohol banned list, both black and white people.
There were 2 incidents while we were there, one at the Todd tavern and one at Lasseters casino, both antagonist were taken away by the
police and both were white.
I am not saying that aboriginal people are saints but they are not the only race in this country that commit violent criminal acts, and this is why I am offended by your ill informed comments.
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Follow Up By: Dennis P (Bullaring. WA) - Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 16:42
Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 16:42
Calling a spade a spade!
Ron, you are an racist through and through.
Your comments on this thread and others in the past where you refer to 'abo's', says it all.
I, too, am a Vietnam Veteran. YOU make me ashamed.
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Follow Up By: Lionel A - Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 17:03
Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 17:03
Personally I don't find Ron's comments offensive, probably a little boorish. [Comes with being an old fart I suppose]...lol.
40 years around Maori and 20 years around Aboriginals has taught me to watch my back a little more than around others.
I tend to put a little more stock in life experience than facts, no matter how correct they may be.
Ron,
PC 101: Rule 1.
You may think anything you want so long as you don't say it.
Democracy 101: Rule 1.
You may say anything you want so long as you don't think it.
That's not confusing is it......lol.
Cheers.....Lionel.
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 18:34
Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 18:34
Don't confuse lack of political correctness and rudeness. If you say something that is likely to offend someone, then it is just plain rude. Any large Aboriginal men who may be good blokes, and there ARE plenty, would be highly offended by those comments. Therefore the comments are inappropriate and rightly regarded as offensive. Political correctness has nothing to do with good manners. If you don't believe there are any large Aboriginals who are good blokes then that is racism. Let's talk about blonde Irish women now and see who else we can offend by stereotyping.
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Follow Up By: Lionel A - Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 19:48
Saturday, Mar 14, 2015 at 19:48
Sorry Mike, I really can't see that distinction.
Are you saying that small aboriginal men would not be offended?
Respect your opinion but, it does not sway me from mine.
And I'm not here to defend Ron.
By the way, I love dumb blondes, they're my favourite kind....lol.
Cheers......Lionel.
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