disposable diesel jerries

Hi

get yourself some proper diesel bladder containers, when empty they pack flat, very common with the boat industry.

Cheers

Hi

I have used old oil drums before..



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Greg

Gday
Go to your local earth mover and get a 20 ltr plastic oil drum. after emptying, just put on your evening fire. Dont forget to take the residue of the drum with you next morning.

Why would you have to carry it for thousands of K. If it is your last remaining fuel to get to next pump it would seem logical to leave it there and ask the guy if he can give it to someone else to use.

Also why not fill the tank out of it after the start of the trip, when tank has used more than 20L and burn it the next campfire. Then you dont have to carry it for more than a day

Its only $19 for a 20L plastic one now so use it and chuck it.

Can sell you 2 for $25 ATM

I was told by a plastics manufacturer that the diesel plastic is denser than the water container plastic as the diesel slowly leaches through it
I believe you can use them but will eventually feel greasy on the outside

I have mates that go on long rides in the desert on motor bikes. Some take a fuel bladder that can be rolled up once empty, another popular (cheap) way to get a few more km is to scrounge up a few 5L oil containers. They can be found easily enough, are oil resistant by design and generally are over engineered for the task. 2L coke bottles and 2L wine casks (goon bags) have also been pressed into service.

As said above, a 5, 10 or 20L plastic or steel oil drums will work. Square shapes are easier to pack than a traditional round drum and a plastic one is less likely to damage your other stuff. They also tend to dent, rather than get punctured and split. Smaller containers also mean that you lose less if one springs a leak.

Sounds like a silly idea to me.
One jerry is 20 litres and the need for that extra amount "for one leg" just doesn't compute.

When you look at how much space a couple of Jerry Cans take up, I don't think the space could be classed as all that "valuable" for other uses.
I consider a couple of Jerrycans of diesel as part of careful planning on longer trips between fuel stops.
I don't need longranger fuel tanks for the type of remote traveling I do, but choose a couple of full jerrycans of diesel as a good insurance policy when traveling. I have come across situations where I have been a little short on fuel capacity requirements and an extra half a tank I get from 2 jerries, gets me to my ultimate destination for that leg, without any dramas. It gives me an extra 400-450 km distance.
There may be times when fuel consumption calculations go out the window due to strong head winds, or adverse track conditions.
I don't like the feeling of "will I make it or not" and the potential of sucking up some contamination from the dregs of the fuel tank.

To me, a couple of tanks of fuel are mandatory and I will leave something else home to make way for them if necessary. That of course is extremely unlikely, as I carry the jerrycans in a cradle on the draw bar of my camper.
What else could fit in their place?
A generator in a box?
Nah, we won't go there!

You find room at the start for a full jerrycans but when you tip that into the tank , what has actually jumped into that space when you were tipping it in .

Just buy a diesel suitable bladder...simple as.

Currently I have two 20 lt steel jerry cans with me, I think now I would have been better with 4 x 10 lt plastic cans, to distribute the weight better, and much easier to tip into car, I also think you never know when you may need extra fuel, so I would find space for some, remember what you leave behind to fit them, wasn't really needed anyway:)

3 litre milk containers are HDPE. I have seen diesel carried in them in a one use situation as you describe.

Iza

CSeaJay...HTFU and go buy some diesel fuel suitable jerries, and bring the bastards back.

10L boxed water bladders. Even the Black and Gold brand are near on indestructable. Buy a couple, or three, you could buy three for <$15. Use the water, when empty, pull the cap off and let air out. When dry inside, fill with diesel and cap. You can always put the bladder back in the box which affords a bit more protection. Diesel will actually last quite a while in these bladders. When you use it, the bladder takes up less space than a pack of cards, even less if you can induce a significant chemical change after use.
After one trip using fixed water containers, I've then always used boxed water. It's cheap, the cardboard can be burned, and the bladder, well see above. Although the bladder holds 10L of water, in reality the outside dimensions of the box is 11L in volume, so when used, you then obtain 11L in volume of space.

If you can carry them in.....then you can carry them out

Thanks guys for several good ideas
I did not know of bladders and that sounds like the solution for us.
Notwithstanding some replies implying that one leaves rubbish, that is just, rubbish.
Anyway thank you

I understand your problem exactly! Robin Miller on this site, packs two full plastic jerries in his Patrol and when he has consumed 40 litres of fuel he pours the fuel into the Patrols tank and puts the empty jerries into a purpose made bag, im not sure if vinyl or a fabric, this hangs of the spare wheel just like the rubbish bags you can buy! Michael

I know that technically this is off topic (in full so that mods will see it and decide).

I do not believe that burning is a responsible and environmentally responsible way to dispose of plastic. Unfortunately some still toss all this type of stuff in the fire.

Please don't do it.

If you agree then please just tick the Thank you. Lets not start another topic.

Csejay has a legitimate question and deserves a responsible answer.

We purchased a long range tank so that we would not run short. So far including the CSR all has been well. No need for jerry cans. In fact the jerry can holder is being removed from the car before our Madigan trip. It is obsolete and not needed.

The problem CSeaJay has is that like most people when they leave home, their vehicle is chokablock. So packing and unpacking would be a little easier once the jerries are removed from the inside of the vehicle and getting to things you need is easier. Nothing worse than having things you can't use, cluttering an already tight space. I thought it would have been obvious what the problem was. I had thought of making a light frame between my RRT and the wind deflector for that purpose, when the two jerries are empty, stick them on the roof out of the way. It would be good for the Simpson and trip legs where you just need that safety net if conditions are that you use more fuel than intended and a possibility you may run out of fuel. I think the question was a reasonable one and far more sensible than some of the crap that is posted here! Michael

In part this issue has its genesis in wanting vehicles that suit all requirements, both for day to day travel and for longer range touring.

The reality is that most vehicles have a reasonable amount of space, but that is to allow different configurations rather than the ability to fill every space with pieces of equipment and supplies. Once you put a family of up to five into it the ability to carry sufficient fuel decreases rapidly.

In these cases it almost comes down to modifying your plans to fit the range the vehicle has with the fuel you "can" comfortably carry, take a trailer, or reassess the choice of vehicle.

When I plan for a rip I work out the essentials of what I need to take, the number of people in the vehicle, and back solve for the fuel I can then carry to remain within the vehicle design, axle and GVM limitations. That in turn will dictate the route you can take based on were you can obtain fuel...

I am thinking that if one 20-litre jerry can is critical to comfort than perhaps there is too much already loaded in the vehicle.

But either way, good luck with your deliberations, perhaps once you have used the gerry can you can give it to another traveller along the way - a small expense for the comfort...

Cheers, Baz - The Landy

My thoughts are that you require containers that are compact and robust, CSeaJay?

Using anything other than specific fuel containers puts you at risk of having a diesel leak in your vehicle......kids won't be happy and the Cook will be really p!ss5d!!! Why not take 2-4 x 10L jerrycans, and these can be packed amongst all your other stuff. Or you can tie them up on the roof rack, out of the way, and offering little wind resistance.

May I ask where this "leg" is that requires more than your 2 tanks of fuel? Buying a fuel container just prior to the long leg would reduce space issues for you.

Hope you get something sorted and have an enjoyable trip.

Bob