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I think they should change their name from "4X4Australia Magazine" to "4X4 Mars"......they certainly ain't from this planet.....
June issue of this illustrious publication contains a letter from a poor mongrel who asks whether it is normal that his new 3.0L Patrol......."the oil is very black and has metal shavings in it from the turbo". "I was wondering if that's normal for a new Patrol. I've also heard that the engines blow up in the 3.0 litre Patrols, is this true?"

The reply (and this is the good bit).....

"We're not aware of any 3.0 litre turbo diesel Patrol engines blowing up. Some earlier models had fuel pump problems, but Nissan has since rectified the situation".

Maybe the editor needs to read this Forum occasionally.
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Reply By: Boeing - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 19:09

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 19:09
Roachie, Just my opinion but that particular mag seems to have gone off in the past 12 months or so. The reply just confirms my views....

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 19:35

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 19:35
I've gotta agree Mark,
I stopped my sub a few months ago, but still buy a copy at the N'agent when I see something interesting. I can't complain too much as I won a set of Staun deflators from them a couple of months ago.
I reckon 4WD Monthly is the best of the mag's.
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 06:28

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 06:28
Roachie If you want totaly misleading and incorrect informatiom with the out right promotion of alchole abuse when driving in the bush .
The promotion of stuffing 4x4 tracks and having to drive over any thing that possibly dosent moove.

Then keep buying 4x4 monthly .

I buy 4x4 Australia and overlander they at least give fairly accurate reports on trecks and other.

All the best
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Follow Up By: Davoe - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 12:54

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 12:54
got a good publication over here in the west its called western 4wder and comes out quarterly the vehicle reviews are a bit crap- they should leave that sort of thing form the bigger publications with more dough (circulation) but the trips are very good all tripnoted etc and make a change from the ones you see in the bigger mags (cape, kakadu etc) the last one was norseman to ravensthorpe via peak charles along dunns track the same mob have brought out such books as the holland track and cave hill woodlines, 4wd days in the goldfields worth getting your hans on even if you are from "over there"
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Follow Up By: pathfinder - Monday, May 10, 2004 at 12:57

Monday, May 10, 2004 at 12:57
Eric - you are probably in a better position than me to comment on the accuracy of trek reports in mags. However, one of the most useful potential features of mags such as these is being able to compare vehicles and other products directly against each other so you don't have to rely on the hype of advertising. Choice magazine do this very well; unfortunately they don't often review 4wd products. I think this largely leaves 4WD Monthly which are often brutally honest in their feedback on particular products (including those that are advertised in their mag) whereas Overlander and 4x4 largely act as mealy-mouthed de facto advertisements in their so-called product 'tests'...
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Reply By: tessa_51 - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 19:33

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 19:33
Roachie
I don't read the mag - but are there any full page ads for Nissan?

Tessa
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 12:02

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 12:02
yer theres full page ads for toyota and for Jeep also, whats your point?
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Follow Up By: tessa_51 - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 19:22

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 19:22
Bonz
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 23:24

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 23:24
well actually tessa, yes I would, thats what balanced journalism is about, however, expectation and delivery are two very different things I think
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Reply By: navaraman - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 20:18

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 20:18
They obviousl make more money from Nissan's advertising than readers subscriptions judging by the comment quoted. Why can't they just tell it like it is?
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 20:26

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 20:26
Roachie,

I have to agree with you, very much so. The subscription is a dissapointment and I read that response too. I am hoping the subscriptions manager here will divert elsewhere next time, but she likes the crosswords. Hint, hint

I think there is too much pandering to the advertisers and not enough objectivity.........
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Reply By: Nudenut - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 21:14

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 21:14
I read that today also and I had to think twice about who I use to service my 4by
Thank goodness it aint who ever he is using

Metal shavings in the oil...hell i'd be back at the dealer in a flash trying to get that sorted out....
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Reply By: Andrew & Jen (Melb) - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 21:47

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 21:47
It is a bit of a joke really - they could have read about it in the Melbourne Newspapers or anywhere really. Surely surely surely they must have talked about it at the magazine - makes you think their might be a conspiracy of silence about it as Nissan are great advertisers....

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Reply By: Member - Toonfish - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 00:06

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 00:06
just brought mine this arvo and thats the first bad thing i noticed .
then i read in further!
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Reply By: Member - Brett H (QLD) - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 07:40

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 07:40
Magazines should have to declare their interests.
If car compay A advertise or sponsor the Mag it's employees or paid contributors a footnote at the bottom of a story where one could contrive conflict of interest.
This would allow the average punter to be able to make a decision by being able to measure the impartiality of the author etc.

Does that make sense?
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Reply By: fourstall2000 - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 10:00

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 10:00
Roachie,as a Gu owner myself on the second engine,I have now written to 4x4 monthly requesting info on the engine failure,this to follow the great write up on the 3.0 litre in the June magazine.
Lets see how we go eh.
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Follow Up By: Member -Bob & Lex (Sydney) - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 15:19

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 15:19
Let us all know your response if you get one
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Reply By: seashells - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 11:02

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 11:02
Roachie

Ya better help the poor bugger and tell him about that beaut purple
oil you use to keep your donk going, he must be nissan something between
the ears not to have noticed the problem.

seashells.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 12:25

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 12:25
Is there really any reason you people still fall for buying these propaganda magazines?

IMHO they serve no real purpose, and are just full of who pays the most. IF they would have told the truth about 3.0's beingbleepboxes, Nissan wouldnt give them anymore cars would they? So Honesty goes out the window when $$$ are involved.

Said it before say it again

1 mag has lightforce 240s as best, and the Woolies brand Narva as worse.
other magazine within 2 issues has it around the other way..

Both were followed by full page ads from the respective sellers.

You figure it out.

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Follow Up By: Member - Brett H (QLD) - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 14:25

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 14:25
I totally agree.

One thing which humours me to no end is people who tell me that their driving lights "are so bright that they shine down the road for as far as you can see"

You don't say..........
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Follow Up By: Mrs Diamond - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 14:58

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 14:58
ah but mine shine further than i can see lol
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 17:33

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 17:33
Truckster what a load of crap as for who pays the most. The travell articals are they propaganda and the general news of what is happening to tracks and areas we drive in.
The magazines I read are 4x4 australia and overlander they give a good veiw of most things.
The loan cars they have at the moment are not nissans but you would not no this because you dont buy the propaganda.

Please dont take offence from my first sentance.
But people read what you write and thats your opinion and fair enough as for what is written in magazines is the editors opinion and people can and dont always agree with them.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: robb - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 18:14

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 18:14
So Truckster would I be correct in presuming that you dont watch commercial TV or listen to commercial radio, or watch movies with product placement, or read a newspaper with ads?
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 19:02

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 19:02
Truckster, I think that robb above and Eric from CYC have both taken your post in isolation. You have highlighted before some of the good things from the editor of this magazine. It is apparent that they have not really read the critique properly that you provided.

I have noticed in previous issues of this magazine that there are only infotainment articles, it is not just the latest where there is downright misleading gumph on the 3 litre Nissan. I agree with some others there needs to be a notice of advertisement above a lot of the articles in editorian just on new items. I reckon even their cooking is not very original and is posting from other websites.
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Follow Up By: robb - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 19:12

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 19:12
Hi JohnR, not sure if I read the following critique properly...

"Is there really any reason you people still fall for buying these propaganda magazines?

IMHO they serve no real purpose, and are just full of who pays the most. IF they would have told the truth about 3.0's beingbleepboxes, Nissan wouldnt give them anymore cars would they? So Honesty goes out the window when $$$ are involved."

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 23:01

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 23:01
Eric..
I'll leave you to sink in your own crap, you think that BMW was really a 4wd of the yr? It didnt even do 1/2 the offroading stuff that the others did, yet won on points? Hows that work? $$

BTW, one of the mags in the spotlight comparo was one of your fav's.. The "comparo" was followed by 2 page spread of ADVERTISING.. Oh yea, that was free. If you have seen the narva's that they were testing on a night trip, which I have, they are not spit on a 240, probably not even a 170.

Rob,

You read it correctly, there are 100's of people on forums everywhere on the net that agree. Specially when one car wins a 1 on 1 comparo, yet in the 4wdoty it changes. Or one blows a gearbox, yet still gets in!

I only watch commercial tele for the Bike Racing, but now happily thats on Optus. Try to point out one other show on commercial or other tele worth watching? Its full of yank HAHA shows, that are as funny as cancer.

Used to watch Discovery channel, and History Channel, until they just started repeating the samebleepday in and day out...

I have approx 27,000 (had ~3000 until visiting a mate today!) MP3s on a 120gig HDD, I have no need to listen to radio. I listen to the moozik I like.

Newspapers, I read The Age Online, very few well placed commercials there, the popups, and banner ads are shut down by Zonealarm, so I dont see them.
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Follow Up By: ross - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 23:09

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 23:09
Its the same as these "Car of the year awards"
Fact is your not in the competiton unless you have an advertising contract with the mag.
I still buy the mags for various articles but read them with healthy scepticism especially on vehicles and products.
My favourites are revisiting makes that are now 10-15 years old so you really get to know which was best.
The trip reports are also good at times.

This is really part of a broader issue,not unlike the "cash for comments" controversy.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 23:27

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 23:27
you do know Brett that if you turn off your driving lights you can see the dark bit at the end of where you can see.
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Follow Up By: Member - Brett H (QLD) - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 23:42

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 23:42
Thanks Bonz, I will give it a try now.

Actually this talking about lighs reminds me of when I did a bit of work in the Phillipines. Lots of drivers turn their lights off when they stop at traffic lights or get held up in a traffic jam. I asked a few of them why and the response was the same, " save the globe,sir"
I thought , what about the blasted light switch??? on,off,on,off,on,off
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 06:35

Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 06:35
Trukster you make me laugh for a person who dosnt buy these properganda type magazines like all us other suckers you seem to know a lot about them.
With bmw it bugs me too but its there opinion and I have not noticed the full page adds in the mags for bmw. You seem to know a lot about how they do all these things please explain.
On the issue of what and who recomends what from the mags I am sure we are all big and uggly enough to work out for our selfs .

All the best
Eric

Ps I think big brother is watching have you checked for any hidden cameras lately they are everywhere.

PPS as for the free bit on advertising I can asure you it dosnt work like that as you probably know we run a tag alongs. We have had photos of us doing river crossings and tips in the cape and when the mags used to run tag along directoreys we are asked if we would like to place an add to go with the artical and they cost to place them they are not cheap.

Waiting for your well constructed and freindly as per usuall reply.
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 06:52

Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 06:52
Just one more thing have you looked around this web site there are alot of things promoted on here even on replys and questions.
I am sure you have even said somthing is good [not often] and maybe better than another so are you getting kick backs how do we know, is it cash for comments from Truckster.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: robb - Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 10:15

Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 10:15
Well truckster if thats the case I am glad you are not being a hypocrite and falling for advertising (read propaganda) of any kind. There was another comment on this thread re magazine having to declare there interest before they do a comparo.. I think a quick flick through the magazine would see who advertises with them and who doesnt, but often the case of advertising is reverse of what you may think. The mags do a comparo, get a result and then let the advertising department know of the result. The ad department then calls the manufacturers of whatever product and lets them know the result, they then offer the manufacturer an ad deal, 9 times out of ten they will take the ad deal. Ads are a way of life. No ads, no mags.... Cheers
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Reply By: TheUndertaker - Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 17:18

Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 17:18
Magic writeup about the new Holden Adventra in june 4wd monthly ,,, bet they never get another to test.
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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 17:56

Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 17:56
Have not read it but from your comment I take it the gloss is starting to wear off???

Steven
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 18:19

Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 18:19
yer hahaah they bagged it. Took it to stickton and had to snatch it out of everywhere, then they explained OFFROAD along with pics hahahahaha

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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 18:26

Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 18:26
Hahaha,

Stuff all the bias comments above. I'll go out and buy the mag just to enjoy that article then!!!

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