Who'd like a good laugh.....read on

I've gotta agree Mark,
I stopped my sub a few months ago, but still buy a copy at the N'agent when I see something interesting. I can't complain too much as I won a set of Staun deflators from them a couple of months ago.
I reckon 4WD Monthly is the best of the mag's.

Roachie If you want totaly misleading and incorrect informatiom with the out right promotion of alchole abuse when driving in the bush .
The promotion of stuffing 4x4 tracks and having to drive over any thing that possibly dosent moove.

Then keep buying 4x4 monthly .

I buy 4x4 Australia and overlander they at least give fairly accurate reports on trecks and other.

All the best
Eric

got a good publication over here in the west its called western 4wder and comes out quarterly the vehicle reviews are a bit crap- they should leave that sort of thing form the bigger publications with more dough (circulation) but the trips are very good all tripnoted etc and make a change from the ones you see in the bigger mags (cape, kakadu etc) the last one was norseman to ravensthorpe via peak charles along dunns track the same mob have brought out such books as the holland track and cave hill woodlines, 4wd days in the goldfields worth getting your hans on even if you are from "over there"

Eric - you are probably in a better position than me to comment on the accuracy of trek reports in mags. However, one of the most useful potential features of mags such as these is being able to compare vehicles and other products directly against each other so you don't have to rely on the hype of advertising. Choice magazine do this very well; unfortunately they don't often review 4wd products. I think this largely leaves 4WD Monthly which are often brutally honest in their feedback on particular products (including those that are advertised in their mag) whereas Overlander and 4x4 largely act as mealy-mouthed de facto advertisements in their so-called product 'tests'...

yer theres full page ads for toyota and for Jeep also, whats your point?

Bonz
You wouldn't expect them to bite the hand that feeds them.
tessa

well actually tessa, yes I would, thats what balanced journalism is about, however, expectation and delivery are two very different things I think

Let us all know your response if you get one

I totally agree.

One thing which humours me to no end is people who tell me that their driving lights "are so bright that they shine down the road for as far as you can see"

You don't say..........

ah but mine shine further than i can see lol

Truckster what a load of crap as for who pays the most. The travell articals are they propaganda and the general news of what is happening to tracks and areas we drive in.
The magazines I read are 4x4 australia and overlander they give a good veiw of most things.
The loan cars they have at the moment are not nissans but you would not no this because you dont buy the propaganda.

Please dont take offence from my first sentance.
But people read what you write and thats your opinion and fair enough as for what is written in magazines is the editors opinion and people can and dont always agree with them.

All the best
Eric

So Truckster would I be correct in presuming that you dont watch commercial TV or listen to commercial radio, or watch movies with product placement, or read a newspaper with ads?

Truckster, I think that robb above and Eric from CYC have both taken your post in isolation. You have highlighted before some of the good things from the editor of this magazine. It is apparent that they have not really read the critique properly that you provided.

I have noticed in previous issues of this magazine that there are only infotainment articles, it is not just the latest where there is downright misleading gumph on the 3 litre Nissan. I agree with some others there needs to be a notice of advertisement above a lot of the articles in editorian just on new items. I reckon even their cooking is not very original and is posting from other websites.

Hi JohnR, not sure if I read the following critique properly...

"Is there really any reason you people still fall for buying these propaganda magazines?

IMHO they serve no real purpose, and are just full of who pays the most. IF they would have told the truth about 3.0's beingbleepboxes, Nissan wouldnt give them anymore cars would they? So Honesty goes out the window when $$$ are involved."

Eric..
I'll leave you to sink in your own crap, you think that BMW was really a 4wd of the yr? It didnt even do 1/2 the offroading stuff that the others did, yet won on points? Hows that work? $$

BTW, one of the mags in the spotlight comparo was one of your fav's.. The "comparo" was followed by 2 page spread of ADVERTISING.. Oh yea, that was free. If you have seen the narva's that they were testing on a night trip, which I have, they are not spit on a 240, probably not even a 170.

Rob,

You read it correctly, there are 100's of people on forums everywhere on the net that agree. Specially when one car wins a 1 on 1 comparo, yet in the 4wdoty it changes. Or one blows a gearbox, yet still gets in!

I only watch commercial tele for the Bike Racing, but now happily thats on Optus. Try to point out one other show on commercial or other tele worth watching? Its full of yank HAHA shows, that are as funny as cancer.

Used to watch Discovery channel, and History Channel, until they just started repeating the samebleepday in and day out...

I have approx 27,000 (had ~3000 until visiting a mate today!) MP3s on a 120gig HDD, I have no need to listen to radio. I listen to the moozik I like.

Newspapers, I read The Age Online, very few well placed commercials there, the popups, and banner ads are shut down by Zonealarm, so I dont see them.

Its the same as these "Car of the year awards"
Fact is your not in the competiton unless you have an advertising contract with the mag.
I still buy the mags for various articles but read them with healthy scepticism especially on vehicles and products.
My favourites are revisiting makes that are now 10-15 years old so you really get to know which was best.
The trip reports are also good at times.

This is really part of a broader issue,not unlike the "cash for comments" controversy.

you do know Brett that if you turn off your driving lights you can see the dark bit at the end of where you can see.

Thanks Bonz, I will give it a try now.

Actually this talking about lighs reminds me of when I did a bit of work in the Phillipines. Lots of drivers turn their lights off when they stop at traffic lights or get held up in a traffic jam. I asked a few of them why and the response was the same, " save the globe,sir"
I thought , what about the blasted light switch??? on,off,on,off,on,off

Trukster you make me laugh for a person who dosnt buy these properganda type magazines like all us other suckers you seem to know a lot about them.
With bmw it bugs me too but its there opinion and I have not noticed the full page adds in the mags for bmw. You seem to know a lot about how they do all these things please explain.
On the issue of what and who recomends what from the mags I am sure we are all big and uggly enough to work out for our selfs .

All the best
Eric

Ps I think big brother is watching have you checked for any hidden cameras lately they are everywhere.

PPS as for the free bit on advertising I can asure you it dosnt work like that as you probably know we run a tag alongs. We have had photos of us doing river crossings and tips in the cape and when the mags used to run tag along directoreys we are asked if we would like to place an add to go with the artical and they cost to place them they are not cheap.

Waiting for your well constructed and freindly as per usuall reply.

Just one more thing have you looked around this web site there are alot of things promoted on here even on replys and questions.
I am sure you have even said somthing is good [not often] and maybe better than another so are you getting kick backs how do we know, is it cash for comments from Truckster.

All the best
Eric

Well truckster if thats the case I am glad you are not being a hypocrite and falling for advertising (read propaganda) of any kind. There was another comment on this thread re magazine having to declare there interest before they do a comparo.. I think a quick flick through the magazine would see who advertises with them and who doesnt, but often the case of advertising is reverse of what you may think. The mags do a comparo, get a result and then let the advertising department know of the result. The ad department then calls the manufacturers of whatever product and lets them know the result, they then offer the manufacturer an ad deal, 9 times out of ten they will take the ad deal. Ads are a way of life. No ads, no mags.... Cheers

Have not read it but from your comment I take it the gloss is starting to wear off???

Steven

yer hahaah they bagged it. Took it to stickton and had to snatch it out of everywhere, then they explained OFFROAD along with pics hahahahaha

B E utiful

Hahaha,

Stuff all the bias comments above. I'll go out and buy the mag just to enjoy that article then!!!

Steven