Permit for Bullbars in the City

This topic comes up from ti,e to time . I am not sure what Goverment will have the balls to impliment it though

What a bitch of a job taking it on and off to satisfy the whim of some wanker, obviously a mate of Harold Scrobie, and how do they know you are not on your way out of town on hols. Easy solution get a permit in your case Remote Area Medical Service ( RAMS) doing regular surgery runs to Birdsville, To help any sick people
in town!

What you read in the Sunday paper has as much credence as a reported sighting of a UFO. Sunday papers can be used for a) Mulch B) Fire starters C) Dunny fodder out bush or simply put it in the wheelie bin.

You have wasted your money again today buying the paper, Andrew. Why don't you go and polish the bullbar instead.

It would be interesting to see how the rules will apply to the trucking industry who have to frequent the city limits.

The report is nothing more than reptitive jargon.

Cheers

typical Herald Sun unsubstantiated biased and opinionated dribble they must be on the take bandwagon between them and that other Age chick from a post a few months back!
So did anyone fill out there comments form.

Pity this encourages then as they think well these guys buy our paper .
but also with recent 4 x 4 stories being against rather than the for maybe the advertisers of 4 wd goodies should rethink their adverts with them and hit em where it hurts.

also in regards to the racv article there was no plus or minus for the bullbar theory in a recent SA article.
dribble.

G'day andy

There is an easy sollution to this and all other topics that relate to 4WD when they come up in the media etc. The one thing that that all pollies listen to is votes. It's no good now being be silent - take them on. 'An estimated 150000' cars and 4WD is a lot of votes.

It beats me how an idiot minority senator from a small state, with a minority vote, can have can have such pull in federal politics and the same minority groups have such pull in state politics. I never see them out on Clean Up Australia Day and other environmentaly important activities.

It would be a nightmare to administer anyway. First cars and 4WDs then small trucks and finally semi trailers. I doubt it will happen, but I would be surprised if they tried to introdruce some kind of monitry perimt for owners to have to pay and thereby raising more money for them to spend on anything other that what realy needs spending on.

Ok, my rants over, I'll get off of my soap box now.

Probalbly got nuthin' to do with pedestrian safety at all.

Probably a secret lobby group spearheaded by Westfield, Coles, Big W.......... all to do with saving the lives of the humble shopping trolley. Especially the old and sick ones, you know, the ones that REFUSE to fit into the station, they like just roll out again when you turn your back on them. They DESERVE TO DIE!!!!

The Government should have open season on Shopping Trolleys. Something like where you pay to enter a Shopping car park and take out as many trolleys as you can in 4 minutes........with your bull bar........

Cheers

Ian BEE

So what are we saying here , if your hit by a car with no bullbar you will live ? Vegtable for life ? so whats the difrence ? How do you get stats on this ? Are they upset because you killed someone and you have no damadge ? Sorry I dont get it .

My sister has a Hilux with a custom bullbar. She had a bumper sticker made up that reads "Don't ban bullbars - ban stupid pedestrians".

Ufos, funny people in assylums? hmm an interesting topic but take it from me, I worked for the federal govt for 18 years & my still employed cronies assure me that bull bars on city dwelling 4x4's are soon to be phased out....so my solution is very simple.. for a small consideration those of you with the offending bullbars can use my rural address for registration purposes. We all benifit... you get cheaper insurance, get to keep your bull bar and the Govet gets heaps in unjust fines because it would be illegal.. This bullbar garbage is coming from a very small vocal minority of city dweller do gooder types and in Sydney I'm assured that the main rabble rousers are living in the Dundas - Carlingford area. My sources are very much involved and have put forward many ideas and attempted to debunk claims of greater damage etc but the vocal minority just will not listen. They will continue to push their point of view and no amount of rational arguement will change their minds. Its apparently like trying to argue with a religious zealot.. So only time will tell but take it from me this plan is on the political drawing boards and I'm told NSW will be sic" City bullbar free very soon"

evenig all
my personal feelings on this bit of stupidy is we will all be able to keep our bars as long as they are registered as dangerous weapons therefore creaating work for more people as it will be like gun rego we will all have to register them at a "small " cost cause poor old bracksie is now dipping out on camera fines so he has to make it up somewhere

steve

The papers publish this crap to sell more papers - thats it, no other reason.

Both our 4WD's have factory fitted bull bars. The Landrover one fits in with the body and is pretty harmless to pedestrians. The Troopy one would be lethal though. Predestrians and stupid motorists usually keep well out of our way once the see the bar because if there is an incident. they know who is going to be the looser.

The only reason for the bars is that we do a lot of off roading in the Troopy and also long distance driving on roo infested roads.

If such a law were passed, I wonder how we would get on as we are nomads of no fixed abode (we not been in the same place for longer than 4 months so far in the last 12 months and for the forseable future (mid 2005). Currently in Bribie Island, then Melbourne for the winter - yuk.

Can't see it happening on a national level. The Deputy PM, who also happens to be the National Transport Minister and also happens to be a farmer-lives on his property a bit out of Gunnedah.

Don't have a bullbar on the Surf (first 4by I've had without one)(it's on the list).
So are they telling me that if I run you over now without my bullbar it's ok? Cool I can think of a couple of suburbs I might go for a drive through right now!
Just another excuse to get more taxes out of us. Load of crap, if the day comes and a cop pulls me over and fines me because I have a bullbar I'll show him what they do to the back end of a patrol car.

Why don't we all just strap a single bed mattress across the front of the bullbar, so that when hit all of these thousands of pedestrians every day that they won't get hurt at all....In fact you'd probably find it would become a bit of an extreme sport among the teenagers.....see how far you can ride the bullbar/mattress on the landcruiser. LOL
Seroiusly, when was the last time you heard of a pedestrian being skittled by a bullbar-wearing 4x4 where the outcome (death by going under the car as opposed to death by flying up thru the windscreen!!!!) was affected solely by the bullbar??
These people have their heads stuck up where the sun don't shine!!!
I think one of the 4x4 magazines recently published an article quoting stats which gave the humble bullbar a clean bill of health.

What's wrong with you people? The solution dates back to the birth of the motor vehicle. We just get somebody to walk ahead of our vehicle, ALL vehicles, with a red warning flag.
The road toll instantly drops to zero (apart from a few slow flag carriers) and the wowsers can all move on to other worthwhile targets. Maybe they can start by trying to ban gravity. That way we can avoid most of the airline accidents and all the injuries and deaths caused by falls. Hello, Mr Scruby, where are you?

Just a couple of thoughts

# How many pedestrians are killed by vehicles without bullbars?

# What percentage of vehicles on the road have bullbars?

How can there be an informed discussion without these sort of figures?

Chris

I am pleased to know that if I take the bullbar off my Western Star B-double I won"t kill a pedestrian if I should happen to run into one.