PROBLEMS - GU NISSAN PATROL 3.0L TD 2000

Submitted: Friday, May 21, 2004 at 12:01
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Driving along last night 100klms, heard little rattle, looked in rear vision mirror HUGE amounts of SMOKE! Anyone heard of this happening? Have heard of pistons blowing & valves. Thank-you
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Reply By: joc45 - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 12:09

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 12:09
Lea,
Check previous postings here, there is a lot of info. Symptoms fit in with the age/model of your vehicle.
Also, check out the Yahoo site http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/patrol4wd/.
Gerry
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 12:18

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 12:18
Hi Lea,

Sounds like a blown engine for sure. The series 2 GU 3.0TD have a bad habit of blowing a hole or cracking a piston on 3/4 cylinder. Take it to a Nissan dealer and you will get a brand new series 3 engine, even if out of warranty. The dealer may try and fob you off, but simply ring Nissan Australia and you will eventually get looked after. They may try and get a co-payment out of you (it is a $12,000 motor) but don't do it, they eventually pay the lot. Its a known fault that has occured on many series 2 motors.

Blowing the engine has probably done you a favour (once the inconvieniece is over) You will end up with a brand new series 3 motor with zero kays on the clock. The series 3 motor does not have the same problems that the series 2 did.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: scooter - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 12:50

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 12:50
Hi All

Does anyone know what was the changeover date (production wise) is for the series 3 motor, or in otherwords how can you work out whether you have a potential time bomb or not?

Thanks

Scooter

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Follow Up By: Andrew - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:03

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:03
Scooter

There was a recall in late 2000 for a "sump capacity increase" on the 3.0TDi Patrols. There will be a recall sticker on the vehicle (on panel near hinges on front drivers side). All vehicles built after the recall are OK (as far as anyone knows).

The part that grates is that in Europe Nissan recalled and REPLACED the engines! Cost cutting by Nissan Oz has proven to be a bad PR exercise and the reputation of the 3.0TDi is now tarnished.
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Follow Up By: Lea - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:23

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:23
Thanks Captain,

I will sleep a bit better tonight. These things always happen at the worst time.

Cheers
Have a good weekend
Lea
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Follow Up By: Lea - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 15:51

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 15:51
Captain,

It is a piston! Have you heard anyone getting new engines from Nissan with us being second owners and not having all the service history?

That could be a problem hay.

Cheers
Lea
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 20:45

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 20:45
Hi Lea,

Nay, no problem - but you will have to persist. They will try the runaround as they do not want to spend the $$$, but they will come around. Just be polite but firm and have little regard for the average dealer.

Nissan Australia are the decision maker and the dealer will simply try to fob you off. As you said, they will try service record, age etc... but only need to mention the you are aware of the number that have been replaced and consumer affairs and they will come to the party. Getting angry/abusive at either the dealer or Nissan Australia will not help, just need to persist and remain firm and polite.

Cheers

Captain
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Reply By: flappan - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 12:24

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 12:24
You wouldn't happen to be a Journalist by any chance. ?
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Follow Up By: Andrew - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:05

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:05
Couldnt be a journo Flappa. According to 4x4Australia mag there isnt a problem. Maybe they should have checked the ongoing poll on the Patrol group mentioned earlier......
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Follow Up By: Lea - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:21

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:21
I am not a journalist simply a secretary. We did read in 4 x 4 mag there was troubles with them doing pistons.
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Follow Up By: flappan - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:38

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:38
Sorry Lea . . . tongue was firmly in cheek there.

As Andrew pointed out . . . According to 4X4 there is nothing wrong with the 3.0 Patrol , but on ANY forum you will find plenty of EARLY issues . . .
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Reply By: Member Colin - NSW Bungendore - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:27

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:27
In regard to replacement motors - a friend in WA has an older model Nissan - flat sided body! He replaced the standard motor with a big American V8 diesel, 5.7 litres I think. Boy has that car goy some grunt - on longer desert trips he carrys a 200 litre drum of fuel - they have been 'everywhere' in it!

With the 'warranty' replacement motor - as suggested, stick to your 'guns' until you get what you want - don't let the dealer fob you off.
I had a problem with my '98 Forester gearbox - the dealer gave me the run round so I eventually contacted Subaru and they had no hesitation in getting the job done for free - and it was well out of warranty.

Good luck
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Follow Up By: Lea - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:36

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:36
Thank-you for that. It is shocking that the car isn't even 4 years old yet only 140,000klms on it & we look after it.

Thanks again
Lea
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Reply By: Member - Andrew O - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:44

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 13:44
Lea,
How many km's are on your car??

As captain has pointed out, the oil recall helped the elimination of the problem, but has not entirely fixed it. This was done with the series 3 and different oil pickup & extra sensors.

Cheers
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Lea - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 14:07

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 14:07
Andrew,

It has done 140,000klms. Not many for a diesel. I have heard the new patrols now have the bigger sump, sounds like they have had a lot of problems and made a lot of changes.

Enjoy your trip.

Thanks
Leanne
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 16:00

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 16:00
I WANT ONE!!! OH YEA..........

Who was it on here that had never heard of it happening?

Your donk is fubar.. if there is no warranty, it will be around $13,000 repair...
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Follow Up By: Member -ace ( SA ) - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 16:47

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 16:47
typical reply from you truckster
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Follow Up By: mick - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 18:11

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 18:11
I BET YOU SUCK LEMONS IN YOUR SPARE TIME
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 20:13

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 20:13
What sort of reply would you like ACE?

A bunch of flowers, or a politicallly correct response like 4x4 australia reply "OH NO WE HAVENT HEARD OF SUCH AN ISSUE OR ANY FAILURES" ??

Say it how it is - 3.0's suck...

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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 20:52

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 20:52
So... do all 80 series Toyota 4.2 turbo diesel suck because they kept blowing big ends, or once the factory solved the issue in 94 have they not been the benchmark for performance and reliability!!!!

And did toyota not fix the bigends in and out of warranty once their arm was twisted (just like Nissan now!!!).
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 16:26

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 16:26
Lea, Check out POST NUMBER 12,328 on 24/4/2004 from Bob & Lex in Sydney.
This sounds EXACTLY the same as what they suffered from.
Nissan came good with a new donk.
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 19:21

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 19:21
Was the increase in oil capacity just a new dipstick with markings further up it or did they actually fit a new deeper sump.
I've been told that was what happened but do any owners actually know?
GMH went the dipstick route with the V6 Commodore engines at one stage.
I know of one series three 3 litre that has grenaded, maybe they don't have enough kays on them for the problem to manifest itself yet?
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 20:39

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 20:39
Hi Peter

Have you any more info on the series 3 that blew, as this is the first report in Australia on any forum of a blown motor in a series 3. Any facts would be great.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 07:43

Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 07:43
Sorry I don't have any more info, a group of three friends (who are currently overseas) were travelling over in the Kimberley last year in early August and as quite often happens they kept bumping into a couple in a new Patrol who decided to join the others for a couple of weeks.
The Patrol was apparently only 7 months old, had less than 20k on it and the engine grenaded mid way through the afternoon heading west from Fitzroy Crosssing to Derby on the bitumen. They had been sitting on 100kph for approx 1-1 1/2 hrs when it went. They towed it to Derby I think and it was apparently fixed with a new motor.
Any more details are unavailable as they only made phone enquiries after they got back to Sydney. As the vehicle was purchased in 03 that would make it a III series I would imagine.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 16:00

Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 16:00
Hi Peter,

Thanks for that, but I suspect the EGR valve is what failed. Even the suspect series 2 engines do not blow at less than 20K (or yet to hear of any). When the EGR valve fails it stops the engine (via the ECU is my understanding, but not certain about that) and one would think they have blown the engine.

If you do hear any more details, please let us know, but I do not think this is a proven case of series 3 engine failure.

As a series 3 owner, I am constantly searching for any PROVEN failures and have yet to come across a single failure like the series 2 problems. I do believe Nissan have sorted the 3.0TD engine now, but only time will tell. Unfortunatley with the early series 2 3.0TD failures every man and his dog has a story about a friends friend that their series 3 failed, but yet to find a single proven case.

Cheers

Captain

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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 18:49

Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 18:49
Well this one was definitely stuffed apparently, sump was full of metal and as I said the engine was definitely replaced.
Be interesting to see what happens when the later 3 litres get a few years on them.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 20:05

Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 20:05
Hi Peter,

The holed pistons of the series 2 did not result in a "sump full of metal". The engines typically still ran, abate with lots of smoke and little power. Sounds like a different type of problem, not the typical series 2 issue.

Hopefully a one off problem as it is the first of its type I have heard reported. Also it happened very early on in the engine's life, not the typical 75,000kms plus before the holed pistons.

Cheers

Captain
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Reply By: brian - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 19:55

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 19:55
The increase in oil capacity was simply a recalibrated dip stick---Read shorter dipstick,not any other change.
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Follow Up By: ACH - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 20:37

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 20:37
Can that be proved Brian?
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Follow Up By: sean - Saturday, May 22, 2004 at 16:16

Saturday, May 22, 2004 at 16:16
brian

I had one done on recall. I believe they changed the dipstick and changed the bypass valve. And the sticker in the manual of course.

Friend of mine just had his 3 litre blow up. 2000 model. 76000 ks and always serviced on schedule by nissan.

Sean
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Reply By: Baz (NSW) - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 21:25

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 21:25
Jeeeesuus, fella's dont want to hear any crap about the Explorer any more, i'll just quote this post, Firestone was the problem with the Explorer and as far as i know Firestone is not a genuine Ford part.

Baz.
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Reply By: brian - Saturday, May 22, 2004 at 09:37

Saturday, May 22, 2004 at 09:37
ach dont know how to prove it to you but on my 2000 model thats what happened,drive to dealer change dipstick top up oil drive out,suggest you confirm with nissan.They did not remove sump.
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Reply By: fourstall2000 - Saturday, May 22, 2004 at 15:49

Saturday, May 22, 2004 at 15:49
My 2000 GU diesel engine blew up in December.
It was a second hand vehicle bought through a nissan dealer.
At the time of failure it was at 118000km and out of warranty.
Nissan replaced the engine at no cost.
The vehicle had no Nissan service history.
The vehicle had an enlarged sump fitted,so this alone did not eliminate the fault that existed with this model.
You will get a new donk if you go through NISSAN H.O public relations dept.
Great trucks,enjoy your new engine.
Regards
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Follow Up By: Lea - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 09:46

Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 09:46
Thank-you very much for replying to our post. With regards to service history, did you mean no service history at all or just no Nissan dealer service history? We bought ours @ 100,000 klms we have since been very good servicing every 10,000klms but the prior owners say that Nissan lost log book (???) all they have is a few service receipts through nissan.

How is yours going with the new engine? Did it take them then long to get a new engine and put it in? Did you get a series 3 engine?

Thanks again
Lea
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Reply By: fourstall2000 - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 10:48

Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 10:48
Lea,
There was no service history with Nissan,ie it had not been serviced by them our their agents.
The service book that came with the vehicle only showed the stamp of the first free service,no others records to show services.(although the salesman said there was, no records existed)
there was a delay of about two weeks, while Nissan had the dealership I used to check the condition of the engine, and send a report to H.O.
I must admit there seemed to be a bit of buck passing going on as every time I queried either the dealer or the H.O, they claimed the other party was holding things up.
When finally the approval came from Nissan,I was told the repair would take about one week.
Six weeks later after being promised it every Friday,I lost my temper with frustration, and went to let it all out on the service manager,which I did.
I demanded to see the truck and found that although the engine was in,the rest of the work had not moved from when I last saw it two weeks previous.
I rang head office after seeing this and voiced my displeasure.
3 days later the truck was finished.
It is going well .but the air sensor has been faulty since the new donk was fitted,and is to be replaced next week.
As to the engine ,who knows what it is,Nissan sent me a letter saying my vehicle had been fitted with a replacement engine as reqd for that model.
I have written to Nissan to determine which engine is fitted, with no reply to my letters.
As I have stated on previous posts, Nissan is to be praised for standing by there product and relacing blown engines out of warranty,but condemned for the shroud of secrecy that exists on the reasons for the failures,you as I do ,will wonder if the engine is the solution to further long term problems.
This must be affecting sales of the 3.0 litre,which is a shame as they are a great performing truck.
Good luck,be firm.
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Follow Up By: Lea - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 19:50

Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 19:50
THANK-YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPLY!
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Follow Up By: Lea - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 19:50

Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 19:50
THANK-YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPLY!
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Follow Up By: Lea - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 19:58

Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 19:58
THANK-YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPLY! We feel more confident now knowing that your case being similar to ours (service history) and Nissan having replace engine. We will be phoning them tomorrow to persue this matter further. This is only the start of a huge problem for Nissan and this is going to ruin the reputation of the 3.0L engine. Makes you wonder if it would be a good idea to sell 3.0L before problem becomes well known otherwise it may be hard to sell later.

We will keep you posted.

Thanks again.
Lea
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Reply By: tetley13 - Monday, May 24, 2004 at 08:46

Monday, May 24, 2004 at 08:46
Lea,
All the info on the 3.0 put me off and I eventually went 4.2td. I get my oil and filters done every 5k. It costs a bit but I think the car deserves it. Chat to Roly & good luck.
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (Bris) - Monday, May 24, 2004 at 17:51

Monday, May 24, 2004 at 17:51
Been away for a few days. Just trying to catch up with my daily dose of the forum.

E.G.R. Valve is suspect number one.

Mine went at 40K.

Bit of a rattle, cloud of black smoke, and not enough power to climb over a discarded potato chip packet.

Best of luck
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Reply By: robb&jod - Tuesday, May 25, 2004 at 22:30

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 at 22:30
Lea I feel for you,
Mine blew up on Friday ,it developed a miss at idle apon further inspection a huge amount of blow-by disscovered apon removal of the oil filler cap .Only 70000 km out of warrenty by 8 months .So dissapointed ,half way through building my custom made camping trailer the patrol was supposed to tow around Australia for us. Looks like it maybe Prado time,wife wants an auto.
Best of luck.
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Follow Up By: Lea - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 10:48

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 10:48
Robb & Jod

Our sympathies. We have since had ours towed to a dealer. They
confirm that it the problem is the pistons. Then the dealer does an assessment that is based on points and forwarded to Nissan (State) this determines how much Nissan contribute.

Don't give up yet your Patrol is worth the fight!

Good Luck

Jos & Leanne
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Follow Up By: Lea - Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 10:15

Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 10:15
YEE HA!! Had a phone call from Nissan dealership yesterday we are going to get a new engine. We may only have a couple of expenses.

Best of luck with yours.

Jos & Leanne
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Reply By: r&j - Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 19:23

Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 19:23
Lea ,
Ours not as bad as first thougt, compression tested ok.Possible leaking inlet valve causing miss and back pressure ,popping back into the air cleaner.What ever it was has gone.Glad about your new engine hope it goes good.
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