Seat and can of worms
Submitted: Thursday, Feb 04, 2016 at 21:50
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Stephen F2
Hi I own a Hilux Dual Cab.Was goin to buy Dmax but Salesman playing silly buggers.Have owned 2 Landcruisers. Ideal with L.C .was take back seats out and have plenty storage.Or just take half a row out.Reason I went for Dmax yes cheap but liked the split rear folding seats.Low and behold Hilux have a crappy backseat that takes up hidden space and only folds in half upwards creating really no more space..So I have a child now and a wifey.Child needs the car
seat still .I have removed back
seat completely, easy job for dumby like me.So now I NEED ADVICE what can I set up so I can use the child
seat in the back.I have heard it is legal as long as original
seat can be put back in ...correct me if wrong ?..Its amazing the space now could nearly fit double mattress in back now.I am South Auusie dont hold thst against me ...
Reply By: swampy - Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:25
Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:25
hi ,
Mounting a child
seat by not using the original seats and
seat belts is illegal .The ADR rules apply here to seats,
seat mountings ,
seat belts and there mountings. A child
seat needs to be mounted as per makers instructions .
If u still want to change u can consult an engineer and get a report /ruling on the matter .After doing this u will get an idea of costs and processes .
Interfering with an ADR designed component will make the insurance void in the case of an accident unless re engineered and approved .
After spending 30 years changing vehicles many many rules applied by govt can be changed or considered bullsh*t. Changes are considered modifications Commonsense applies here .Some do require engineer reports .
ADR changes require engineer reports 99% time
Many "" modification rules"" are way way different from state to state and cause grief when travelling and transfering rego
Bonnet scoops are now acceptable considering they come from the factory.
Even if they were installed correctly in the 1970-1980s it comes down to the police or road transport inspector . If there is doubt u are defected . I cannot to begin to describe to u what police harassment is like especially when they are not fully aware of the rules .
Certain vehicles I own have there glove boxes full of paper work .Consultations with the police every 100kms becomes annoying after a while .Police are just untrained drones in this area of there job. Modifications can attract much unwanted attention even if it is legal
.swampy
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Follow Up By: Member - ACD 1 - Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:57
Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:57
Not only will insurance be void...
...any injury to the child will result in criminal charges (not traffic infringement).
Cheers
Anthony
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Reply By: vk1dx - Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:55
Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:55
Like said above, you will have to get a non-standard solution engineered by an RTA approved engineer. I don't think that you will get one to do it for you though. We got our GVM upgraded but that's not mucking around with child approved
seat mounts etc. I believe that most would steer away from that type of job. Too many legal consequences.
Look for a Toyota factory approved option. If one exists then that may be fine.
Personally I think that you will have to put the original
seat back in and mount the childs
seat on it. Bit of a bugger though. However every child is worth doing the right thing for.
Phil
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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 11:40
Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 11:40
Thanks vk 1dx looks like wil have to just reorganize and just put it back.But like they say nothing impossible.So will pursue legal way .Have contacted Toyota see what they say and a couple vehicle engineers...Just not practical design for vehicle built 2010..The Dmax much more thought put into it.Other small cars have incredible seats that create space when folded My mates 2 door Yaris is like the Tardis ..cheers
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 12:15
Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 12:15
The traps that you can fall into when "personalising" you vehicle or when a "little" bundle comes along. Been there done that. Now it's your turn.
When we went for the GVM upgrade, because we were going to get a strict inspection over the pits, we had to get the registration changed to read a five seater because the drawer system in the back, that is securely bolted down, was not easily removed to allow the third row to simply click back in place. We can't go back to a seven seater now unless we go over the pits.
We thought that we could pass as is. But the engineer picked it up and all is
well and legal. It wasn't an issue really as we never travel with more than four.
At least we are legal and with insurance covere with a "fitted" set of drawers and "heavy" car. It would take a day to take the drawers out and refit the extra row of seats.
You will find a solution and one that suits the family. We did, when we had our first son back in 1971.
Catchya
Phil.
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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 12:25
Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 12:25
Thanks vk1dx my bundle is now 5 and half and half Thai.In Thailand safety and law nearly non existant. Ironically my Hilux made near my wifes house maybe I should have visited factory and told them to build a more practical backseat .. Opposite here bit of overkill sometimes on vehicle mods ..cheers
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 13:25
Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 13:25
Factory extras!! Missed one there. You could have asked for a lift, tyres, OME
suspension etc etc.
Phil
And when the family grows up 4WD family trips.
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Reply By: peteC - Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 20:33
Friday, Feb 05, 2016 at 20:33
Have you done the Hilux rear
seat mod that allows you to lower the rear of the
seat? It gives you access to a large storage area and only takes about 30 minutes. I carry 2 maxtrax, some tools, spares,
first aid kit and other stuff like rain gear, spare set of cloths towel etc.
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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 11:45
Saturday, Feb 06, 2016 at 11:45
HI peteC not sure what you mean? . I have completely taken
seat out.But you say can modify the back part now.to access stuff...cheers
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Sunday, Feb 07, 2016 at 07:33
Sunday, Feb 07, 2016 at 07:33
I believe he is talking about the
seat folding forward and down. That would let you get into the area behind the
seat.
Phil
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