Cooper vs Yokohama

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I had originally on my 4x4 motorhome Yokohama Geolander h/t tyres.As they were new i decided to leave them on ,i have been to the tip of Cape York,Bloomfield track and Savannah Way.Hells gate to Borroloola,Lorella Springs,roper bar and poped out at Mataranka.No problems not one puncture.12mths later i stuffed a rear tyre outside of Birdsville,my fault going a bit quick.The only tyres you can get at Birdsville are Coopers,so on it went.A few months latter stuffed a rear tyre going into Home Valley Station they ordered a Cooper so i had 2 tyres on the rear the same.Since then i have had nothing but problems with my rear tyres getting punctures and shredded one.The last bloke who fixed it but told me the tyre is stuffed dont drive to far said the Coopers on the rear will not support the weight you have over them,thats why i keep having problems.The strange thing is the load rating for both brands are the same.Im now going to put Yokohama a/t tyres all around,can anybody shed some light on this or have i just been unlucky with Coopers?
Or suggest a tyre.
Thanks all Stuart and Gunny


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Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 18:44

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 18:44
What weight have you got on the tyres? What sized tyres?
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Follow Up By: Member - Stuart and Gunny - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 18:51

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 18:51
All up the van is 3200kg,1000 front and 2200 rear.The tyres are 245/70/r16
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Follow Up By: Notso - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 19:36

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 19:36
At those weights the Yokos would be at their absolute maximum load carrying capacity and would need to be inflated to the maximum pressure to carry the load. Don't know which version of Coopers you put on but they would be in the same boat I guess!

Load index around 120 would be right for that weight.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stuart and Gunny - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 19:52

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 19:52
True but i have tried everywhere and cannot get an a/t at that load rating
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 20:31

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 20:31
Hi

The new Toyo A/T 2 LT have 120 load rating.


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Follow Up By: Notso - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 22:56

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 22:56
Yes, I've just put 4 of them on mine, they are 265/65 17s LT and max load is 1400kilos per tyre. The 245s shouldn't be much different.
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Follow Up By: Member - Leigh (Vic) - Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 17:49

Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 17:49
Just looked them up (Toyo 245/70/16) Load rating 118R. That converts to 1320 kgs per tyre. Rated to 170 kph. 10 ply and available Aust wide through Tyrepower.
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 18:52

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 18:52
Coopers do one thing very well - Marketing. Famous 4wd people love em.I would love em if they were free and I got paid on top.

At least they are covered by a pro rata 100,000km guarantee.
IF you get a service every 10,000 from a Cooper dealer and have proof.
IF you buy them in the city
IF you never use them in the country, even bitumen roads.

They always blame too high pressure, too low pressure, rough roads for faults.

From their website T&C's
"Why is the Mileage Warranty only available in Capital Cities? The reason the mileage warranty is only available in capital cities, is due to the fact that most road surfaces in capital cities are similar. Whereas in Country areas, the road conditions vary dramatically. Even sealed surfaces vary from area to area. The mileage you obtain in a Country area may be less due to these conditions however the life expectancy of your Cooper Tyres compared to many other brands in the same conditions should be greater. "

What a load of bollocks.I know some people swear by then but lord knows why. I had an issue and everything was to blame except the failed tyre.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 18:55

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 18:55
What he said ^^^...!!!

Worst set of tyres I ever owned were a set of Cooper ST. Never again (unless they are free....and even then I'd be wanting to carry about 4 spares!!)
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Follow Up By: mountainman - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 19:02

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 19:02
Aint that the truth.
ive never seen a set of tyres more flogged in my life than the cooper tv commercials.
And thats about where they should stay..
in tv dream land.
ive never ever seen another brand flog their product soo much.. to coopers.
I must say the bearepairs in alice Springs recommended the coopers but im definitely never buying their tyres.
all the marketing hype sucked 4of my mates in and went all in.
4sets of tyres and they all never went back to coopers again.
tread wear was shocking
dick cipeck, BFG and anything but coopers were put on next
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 22:49

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 22:49
At least they are covered by a pro rata 100,000km guarantee.
IF you get a service every 10,000 from a Cooper dealer and have proof.
IF you buy them in the city
IF you never use them in the country, even bitumen roads.

They always blame too high pressure, too low pressure, rough roads for faults.

And no warranty above the 26th parallel.
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Reply By: Member - mechpete - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 19:09

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 19:09
Hi I had 3 sets of 15in STs replaced under warranty with radial cracks no questions asked
By the Shepparton agent a few yrs ago after the 1st set did a good job . Put another set on my current 4wd an goin well
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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 09:59

Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 09:59
Interesting I took mine to Cooper office in Adelaide they said cracks are normal and will not effect the tyres.so I bought a set of Kelly Safaris and got rid of the Crappers ..Not tested out so be interesting to see how the Kellys go.Nice quiet on black stuff but most important is off road.
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Reply By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 19:13

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 19:13
What they said :::::

I have seen pieces of the lugs half the size of my thumb ripped off a new set of Cooper Tyres, that was enough for me.
I have used three sets of Yoko`s, Super Diggers first set then Geolander GO12`s the next two sets, each set did over 80,000 klm.
I did hear that the Yoko`s are now made by a different company and are not as good as the tyres made by the previous manufacturer.

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Reply By: Member - RobnJane(VIC) - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 20:15

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 20:15
Hi Stuart and Gunny,

Tyres really are a very important part of any demanding travel,whether on road or off road. So much is offered as advice or comment on people's experience and yet often doesn't provide specifics regarding operation or conditions or pressures etc.

I also had poor experience with a set of Cooper tyres and I presented that experience to my tyre dealer and after a further email and photos was able to demonstrate that my claim was factual, and I was provided with 50/50 cost share for a new set of tyres, so We went from Cooper ATRs to Cooper ST and they were great, then on to Cooper ST Maxx and also great, for us.

Tyre performance will always be directly be related to type of use and suitability of the tyre to that use,tyre pressure, speed, conditions and load, ambient temp, so if any of those parameters are out of spec then any tyre will experience difficulties. I keep an eye on pressures and temperatures and adjust speed as best I can to suit conditions, all I all an inexact-science given the variations in conditions we all experience.

On our return from a recent Madigan line crossing one of our travelling companions determined that given the performance of our Cooper St Maxx his next tyres would be those, having experienced very disappointing performance from another well known brand. So far his only complaint is the Coopers are a bit more noisier than he expected.

I suggest to you that some of the experience being provided here is either old experience, ie does not relate to current products offerred or simply where expectations exceed reality.

Check your actual axle load and confirm your tyres are suitable for the load and go from there, most well known tyres will provide an acceptable level of performance when correctly applied and operated and I believe Cooper tyres will perform as well as any in these circumstances.

Having said all that this really is a tiresome debate based on mostly old experience and heresay!

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 21:46

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 21:46
Quote: "I suggest to you that some of the experience being provided here is either old experience, ie does not relate to current products offerred or simply where expectations exceed reality." end quote.

You are possibly correct....my bad experience was back around 2007. The thing that sealed it for me was the total disinterest displayed by the SA sales boss. Shortly after I returned from our initial trip to FNQ with these STs,....(they were badly chipped.....worse than I had ever seen on any previous tyres I'd owned as well as since then)....we went to a 4x4 show in Adelaide and I saw the Coopers tent.

So I went inside and politely explained that I wasn't very happy with how their tyres coped with our trip. The sales boss accompanied me to the car park and saw the tyres first hand. His response was that, yes, they were chipped more than he would have expected, but as they continue to be used, the chips will gradually become less noticeable and I shouldn't be concerned.

Basically, he dismissed me like a piece of dog's muck on his boot......

I left their tent saying to my wife and mates: Never again!!
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Follow Up By: Jonty - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 22:53

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 22:53
Same here, once they have sold them to you,no more interest.!
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Follow Up By: Stephen F2 - Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 10:06

Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 10:06
Mine had side wall cracking there is a term for that cant tenember..I showed them and they said will not effect the tyres.I got rid of them and bought Kelly Safiris.Good business they lost a customer.But I suppose their huge mark ups they make plenty money from other suckers ...
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 20:28

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 20:28
Hi Stuart and Gunny

Have you thought about the new Toyo A/T 2 LT's?

They are getting good reports at the moment.



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Follow Up By: Member - Stuart and Gunny - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 20:40

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 20:40
Thanks Stephen i will follow that up Thursday
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Follow Up By: D-MaxerWA - Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 20:46

Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 20:46
I am using Hankook Dynapro ATm's, love them on the D-Max. The C/T has Cooper A/T's and I won't be fitting them when they wear out, which won't be too far away. If I get 50k out of them I will be surprised. Have heard glowing reports about the Toyo's and will be considering them for my next purchase.

One thing to look for is different size tread blocks. This keeps the road noise down. Also look for at least a 10 ply L/T or you will have problems with the weight.
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Follow Up By: GG7777 - Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 22:39

Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 22:39
Just changing a set of Toyo Open Country A/Ts to a set of Toyo A/T2's after approx 55000 kms, including CSR, Anne Beadell, many High Country trips and Cape York via Innaminka, Birdsville, Cammoweal and Pomperaaw/Kowenyama for a total of 2 flat tyres. They are still legal -just- but with another long trip about to be commenced through harsh country it is time to replace them.
Very happy customer and would recommend Toyo
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Follow Up By: equinox - Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 00:18

Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 00:18
lol bloody tyres.
I just got a full set of STT pro's. Supposed to be the next Gen STT.

A couple of the popular 4wd etc personalities swear by them after test, of course they get paid too.
I'll give them my own test.

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Reply By: Member - shane r1 - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 20:36

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 20:36
Agree check out the toyo's
Sometimes you can just have a bleep run tho!
I have heard many times that " the best thing about cooper's is the ad."
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Reply By: Member - Mark C (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 21:12

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 21:12
Hello guys. I have had 4 sets of coopers. 2 ATR non lt and only got 45-50k out of them. Outback roads and town on a disco 3 towing with second set. Changed to ST 245/65/17LT and sold it with 55k on them at half tread depth. Fantastic on all dirt, mud and rock. No punctures.
Hav since chenged to Challeger and ATR3. First set 97k ( 40k dirt, Kimberly, western qld, gulf savanah way, kakadu, NT) the best tyre ever had. No punctures and towing 1800kg camper all the way. On my next set of ATR3 and live them. Rotated the original set 3 times. Changed pressures for appropriate road surfaces. Bitumen 33/36 unloaded, 37/40 towing loaded, dirt 24/27 unloaded, 27/30 loaded, sand 17/19 unloaded, 18/20 loaded. Been using those pressures for 10 years now. Most times 4psi rule gauged on tpms system.
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Reply By: Member - Keith C (NSW) - Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:33

Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:33
Gunny, are the h/t light truck, if not, that may be your problem, looks like you have a lot of weight behind the rear axle. I would buy the biggest allowable size in l/t whatever brand you buy. good luck Keith
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Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 15:58

Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 15:58
I have about 50000 km on my Cooper ST Maxx with no troubles at all , including the Simpson Desert twice
There is about 10000 km left in them , so 60000 km on a fully loaded troopy most of the time is good going.
will be buying another set in the next 6 months or so.
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Reply By: birdnerd - Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 20:31

Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 20:31
Hi Stuart,
We are on our second set of AT Coopers, the first set we got 80,000km out of travelling The Gibb, Savannah way, Strezlecki, the Cape, no issues at all with them. We have done 40,000 on the current set. No damage at all. We are very happy with them.
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Reply By: Members - Bow & Nan - Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 20:52

Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 20:52
Any tyre but coopers.
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Reply By: Member - Rowdy6032 (WA) - Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 23:13

Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 23:13
Hi

I can only speak from my personal experience.

I am on the second set of Coopers on the Prado and also have them on the van. S/T Maxx LT 265/70R17 on the Prado at present.

I have done the Kimberley, Pilbara, Goldfields and SW out to Cape Arid. During that time have travelled over all sorts of roads and tracks.

Tyre pressures are adjusted to the road conditions and driven accordingly. Not one puncture.

Every 10 000 kms I take them to my local dealer and have the tyres rotated for free.

Am I happy with Coopers, you bet ya.
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 11:17

Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 11:17
There's probably many driver out there using anything but Coopers who are equally happy with their choice of tyres but we don't see them raving on about how good their choice of rubber is.
What is it with Cooper owners needing to brag about how good their choice is.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rowdy6032 (WA) - Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 15:05

Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 15:05
Maybe it's because we get sick of hearing about how bad the product is.

After reading some of the above comments I felt I needed to put the other side of the story. Sorry if you think it is bragging buddy, you don't have to buy them if you don't want to. Some people may be interested to hear they do actually work.

I don't see Cooper owners bagging other brands.
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Follow Up By: Members - Bow & Nan - Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 15:13

Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 15:13
I have had two sets of coopers, never again.
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 17:45

Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 17:45
Disco

We are just responding the question Coopers or Bridgestone .
Punters buy them even though they are expensive for a reason , they give you very little trouble.
Hope your day is better tomorrow.

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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 17:50

Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 17:50
Cooper vs Yokohama was what I was supposed to type.
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 07:35

Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 07:35
It's interesting how Cooper Tires invoke emotions both for and against like no other tyre brand. A religious like zeal.

This is probably not a coincidence and many heavily promoted US companies try to emulate the emotions of religion in their marketing.

Apple, Nike etc have customers who are bolted onto the brands. It appears that Cooper Tires have the same strategy. Using known industry insiders, to promote it, making availability semi exclusive, priced at the top end of the market, having community referrals is all part of it.

It is a difficult marketing objective but when you get religious customers, they create their own truths about the product and you are away. Mythology becomes part of the branding.
This Harvard Business Review article kind of explains it.

I am not sure this is what is happening, but it is a goal of many US brands and it certainly explains the binary opinions of Cooper Tires. Hate or Love them. It kind of has overtones of Apple marketing.

I can't see any other reason why a brand is hated and loved so much at the same time. Some people keep buying them and consistently get good mileage from them and others have had multiple bad experiences. The only other explanation that I can think of is that Coopers have a quality problem with certain batches and some are great and some are woeful. I guess that would also explain the polarization. You rarely hear of people who say coopers are ok. Just really great or total crap.
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 09:44

Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 09:44
Boobook

I have always had a good run out of my Cooper tyres ( third set )
Its funny how I have never run into anyone on my travels who have Coopers and are not happy with them .
I guess if there is maybe 1% of 4x4 punters not happy, then that's not a bad recommendation .

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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 09:59

Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 09:59
Mark where do you get that just 1% are unhappy?

I know quite a few people who have had them including myself and I would say it's somewhere around 50/50.

50% think they are the best tyres ever, 50% have had bad personal experiences with them and 0% are in the middle and think they are just another tyre that's ok, not great, not bad. You just don't get that with other brands in my experience.

Certainly older people have had a bias toward them in my experience. Dunno why?
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:57

Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:57
Boobook

Are you saying I am old ( just joking )
just another one of those debates that we will see different opinions.
Like Engel vs all the other brands ,Toyota vs Nissan and battery performance comparisons !

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Follow Up By: Chris v6 - Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 16:01

Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 16:01
i thought coopers was a beer
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 16:15

Saturday, Mar 12, 2016 at 16:15
"i thought coopers was a beer"

Yeah Chris, I could'nt understand all the hate either ;)

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