Cooper vs Yokohama

What weight have you got on the tyres? What sized tyres?

Coopers do one thing very well - Marketing. Famous 4wd people love em.I would love em if they were free and I got paid on top.

At least they are covered by a pro rata 100,000km guarantee.
IF you get a service every 10,000 from a Cooper dealer and have proof.
IF you buy them in the city
IF you never use them in the country, even bitumen roads.

They always blame too high pressure, too low pressure, rough roads for faults.

From their website T&C's
"Why is the Mileage Warranty only available in Capital Cities? The reason the mileage warranty is only available in capital cities, is due to the fact that most road surfaces in capital cities are similar. Whereas in Country areas, the road conditions vary dramatically. Even sealed surfaces vary from area to area. The mileage you obtain in a Country area may be less due to these conditions however the life expectancy of your Cooper Tyres compared to many other brands in the same conditions should be greater. "

What a load of bollocks.I know some people swear by then but lord knows why. I had an issue and everything was to blame except the failed tyre.

Hi I had 3 sets of 15in STs replaced under warranty with radial cracks no questions asked
By the Shepparton agent a few yrs ago after the 1st set did a good job . Put another set on my current 4wd an goin well
Cheersmechpete

What they said :::::

I have seen pieces of the lugs half the size of my thumb ripped off a new set of Cooper Tyres, that was enough for me.
I have used three sets of Yoko`s, Super Diggers first set then Geolander GO12`s the next two sets, each set did over 80,000 klm.
I did hear that the Yoko`s are now made by a different company and are not as good as the tyres made by the previous manufacturer.

Scrubby.

Hi Stuart and Gunny,

Tyres really are a very important part of any demanding travel,whether on road or off road. So much is offered as advice or comment on people's experience and yet often doesn't provide specifics regarding operation or conditions or pressures etc.

I also had poor experience with a set of Cooper tyres and I presented that experience to my tyre dealer and after a further email and photos was able to demonstrate that my claim was factual, and I was provided with 50/50 cost share for a new set of tyres, so We went from Cooper ATRs to Cooper ST and they were great, then on to Cooper ST Maxx and also great, for us.

Tyre performance will always be directly be related to type of use and suitability of the tyre to that use,tyre pressure, speed, conditions and load, ambient temp, so if any of those parameters are out of spec then any tyre will experience difficulties. I keep an eye on pressures and temperatures and adjust speed as best I can to suit conditions, all I all an inexact-science given the variations in conditions we all experience.

On our return from a recentMadigan line crossing one of our travelling companions determined that given the performance of our Cooper St Maxx his next tyres would be those, having experienced very disappointing performance from another well known brand. So far his only complaint is the Coopers are a bit more noisier than he expected.

I suggest to you that some of the experience being provided here is either old experience, ie does not relate to current products offerred or simply where expectations exceed reality.

Check your actual axle load and confirm your tyres are suitable for the load and go from there, most well known tyres will provide an acceptable level of performance when correctly applied and operated and I believe Cooper tyres will perform as well as any in these circumstances.

Having said all that this really is a tiresome debate based on mostly old experience and heresay!

Regards,

Rob

Hi Stuart and Gunny

Have you thought about the new Toyo A/T 2 LT's?

They are getting good reports at the moment.



Cheers



Stephen

Agree check out the toyo's
Sometimes you can just have a bleep run tho!
I have heard many times that " the best thing about cooper's is the ad."
Cheers

Hello guys. I have had 4 sets of coopers. 2 ATR non lt and only got 45-50k out of them. Outback roads and town on a disco 3 towing with second set. Changed to ST 245/65/17LT and sold it with 55k on them at half tread depth. Fantastic on all dirt, mud and rock. No punctures.
Hav since chenged to Challeger and ATR3. First set 97k ( 40k dirt, Kimberly, western qld, gulf savanah way, kakadu, NT) the best tyre ever had. No punctures and towing 1800kg camper all the way. On my next set of ATR3 and live them. Rotated the original set 3 times. Changed pressures for appropriate road surfaces. Bitumen 33/36 unloaded, 37/40 towing loaded, dirt 24/27 unloaded, 27/30 loaded, sand 17/19 unloaded, 18/20 loaded. Been using those pressures for 10 years now. Most times 4psi rule gauged on tpms system.

Gunny, are the h/t light truck, if not, that may be your problem, looks like you have a lot of weight behind the rear axle. I would buy the biggest allowable size in l/t whatever brand you buy. good luck Keith

I have about 50000 km on my Cooper ST Maxx with no troubles at all , including the Simpson Desert twice
There is about 10000 km left in them , so 60000 km on a fully loaded troopy most of the time is good going.
will be buying another set in the next 6 months or so.

Hi Stuart,
We are on our second set of AT Coopers, the first set we got 80,000km out of travelling The Gibb, Savannah way, Strezlecki, the Cape, no issues at all with them. We have done 40,000 on the current set. No damage at all. We are very happy with them.
Amanda & James

Any tyre but coopers.

Hi

I can only speak from my personal experience.

I am on the second set of Coopers on the Prado and also have them on the van. S/T Maxx LT 265/70R17 on the Prado at present.

I have done the Kimberley, Pilbara, Goldfields and SW out to Cape Arid. During that time have travelled over all sorts of roads and tracks.

Tyre pressures are adjusted to the road conditions and driven accordingly. Not one puncture.

Every 10 000 kms I take them to my local dealer and have the tyres rotated for free.

Am I happy with Coopers, you bet ya.

It's interesting how Cooper Tires invoke emotions both for and against like no other tyre brand. A religious like zeal.

This is probably not a coincidence and many heavily promoted US companies try to emulate the emotions of religion in their marketing.

Apple, Nike etc have customers who are bolted onto the brands. It appears that Cooper Tires have the same strategy. Using known industry insiders, to promote it, making availability semi exclusive, priced at the top end of the market, having community referrals is all part of it.

It is a difficult marketing objective but when you get religious customers, they create their own truths about the product and you are away. Mythology becomes part of the branding.
This Harvard Business Review article kind of explains it.

I am not sure this is what is happening, but it is a goal of many US brands and it certainly explains the binary opinions of Cooper Tires. Hate or Love them. It kind of has overtones of Apple marketing.

I can't see any other reason why a brand is hated and loved so much at the same time. Some people keep buying them and consistently get good mileage from them and others have had multiple bad experiences. The only other explanation that I can think of is that Coopers have a quality problem with certain batches and some are great and some are woeful. I guess that would also explain the polarization. You rarely hear of people who say coopers are ok. Just really great or total crap.