Hilux versus Ford Ranger versus Isuzu DMax

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Any opions on these 3 vehicles, going AUTO as well. Trading down from a 79series Toyota single cab. Will be doing some light towing. Small caravan /camper trailer. Fair amount of outback work eg CSR, Simpson Desert, Kimberlys etc. Any feedback on these 3 vehicles. Known problems. Opions appreciated. Cheer Outbackjack 1.
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Reply By: Kazza055 - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:13

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:13
I have a D-Max, no known problems and they are renown for their longevity.
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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:13

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:13
Thanks Kazza055 looking better all the time on my decision
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Follow Up By: Kazza055 - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:50

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:50
As mentioned by others, the auto box in the D-Max is the best I have ever used.

We tow a 2500kg van with it and it is quiet happy to do it in "D". The manual side is the closest thing I have found to a manual box but no clutch pedal to get in the way. Engine braking is very good, even in auto mode,

I would never buy another manual.
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Follow Up By: D-MaxerWA - Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 23:10

Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 23:10
I had a rear seal replaced under warranty at 70,000kms, the suspension is stuffed and replacing with non OEM suspension at 80,000kms. Apart from that, I love my D-Max.

Was going to buy a Ford Ranger when I went shopping, but the Ford sales people were not interested in making a sale. They totally ignored me when I sat in a couple of vehicles and then said they had no brochures available when I made enquiries.
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Reply By: Member - Gary R M (VIC) - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:49

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:49
G'day OBJ1, recently purchased a new DMax to tow around our campertrailer. Added ARB Canopy, bull bar etc which would have added a bit to its weight but have done 2 trips so far and love how it tows and the great fuel economy.

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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:21

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:21
Thanks Gary M had a lot of good reports
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Reply By: Baz - The Landy - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:57

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:57
Whilst not addressing your question, I'd be interested to know the background to trading down from the 79 Series, as it appears from the photo you have a great set-up for the type of touring you do and plan.

It might give some further context to your question.

Good luck with your deliberations...

Cheers, Baz - The Landy
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:12

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:12
Maybe a clue in the "going auto" comment.

Also the numbers in a family have been known to increase. Not sure what causes that....LOL

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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:33

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:33
Thanks Baz, couple reasons 1 big yes auto 2 l have a problem with my knees now and find it hard getting in and out. I do really love the truck but I'm also looking at an off road caravan. I've just sold the ute and now trying to sell the slide on. Thanks again Baz for your comments
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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24
Thanks Outbackjack, good luck with it all…

And hey Pop, I’ve always worked on the basis that one should never assume anything, especially given that it is possible to put an auto-transmission in the 70 Series Toyota (VDJ).

But with tongue firmly-in-cheek, on families growing, well I went against my own advice and made an assumption that at mid-sixties (if you read his profile you glean his age), Outbackjack probably isn’t looking to increase his family’s size – but hey, the fun is in trying, right?

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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:06

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:06
Yeah Baz a mate of mine has already done that through Mark's in Melbourne unreal 6 speed not cheap. Did look at that, not much change out of 20k now.
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 14:44

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 14:44
G'day Baz,

Yeah I guess OBJ could have looked at an auto conversion but why would he get rid of what he already has which going by the photo is very well set up.
70 large to buy new less trade and he winds up with a later version of what he already has and gets to cough up another 20 big ones to convert.

I didn't look hard enough at the profile so didn't realise he was just a young 60 something pup....LOL
Anyway my trusty but aging 75 is due for replacement in the not too distant future and my dear wife tells me she wants a dual cab. Now me pushing 70 and she being well, lets say late 60s and for health reasons having had the female plumbing removed many a long year ago, I figured another kid or two wasn't even a blip on the radar. So I asked why a dual cab???
I got that "are you completely senile" look and the reply "where do you think the grandkids are going to sit".


(:=O) WTF.

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Reply By: Top End Az - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:58

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:58
Go a Dmax mate. I have 70k km on my auto which has done the Kimberley a couple of times and half of Australia, plenty of that offroad.
No problems so far. Save yourself $10-15k on the purchase price and use the savings for fuel or decking it out with accessories. They are popular out on the road and you will enjoy trouble free overlanding.
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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:37

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:37
Thanks Top End looks like DMAX. So many good reports. Thanks for your feedback
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Reply By: lizard - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:37

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:37
Another vote for Dmax - the auto is brilliant (same as 5 speed auto in 100 series Cruisers) . Renowned for reliability
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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:41

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:41
Thanks Lizard for your feedback. Looks like I'm going down today for a good look. What model do you think.?
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Follow Up By: lizard - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:52

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:52
We got the LS Terrain , top of the range dual cab .... we tow a 3T van & return 15 l/100 km with it on - very happy
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Follow Up By: Top End Az - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:20

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:20
I have the LS Terrain too, but that was due to a dealer overpromising delivery dates. The LS Terrain has things on it we don't care for, the sat nav isn't good, leather/electric seats and roof rails. The middle model is probably best for general use and comfort.

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Reply By: Member - 8111COLIN - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:57

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:57
Stick with the strength .
Toyota have dealers in every country town in Australia, you already know how good they are and so do i .
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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:02

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:02
Yes Colin I'm still a Toyota person through and through. Your not looking for a camper for the back of your rig? Just got the one for you.
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 20:07

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 20:07
Colin has raised a fair point to consider.

There probably isn't a lot of difference between the vehicles on your shortlist. Given the areas you plan to travel I would be looking to see that your preferred option has acceptable support.
They are all great when things are running good, the important question to me is how things go when you have a problem
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Reply By: Gundarooster - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:37

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:37
Yeah, Iv'e got a Rodeo (Izuzu) with 300000 on it and I cant wear the bloody thing out!

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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:10

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:10
Thanks Gundarooster I once had an old jackaroo with Isuzu in it went well
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Reply By: Member - Witi Repartee - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 17:59

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 17:59
I have a 2017 spec Ranger. Not yet outback tested but actually enjoy driving it. This is latest comparitive road test I could find.....................Ranger comes out on top.
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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 21:27

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 21:27
Witi good article on the 3vehicles.starting to do my head in.
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Reply By: Supersi - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 21:04

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 21:04
I've had a good experience with a PX ranger and now a 2015 BT50 in auto.
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Reply By: Idler Chris - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 21:51

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 21:51
After years of having Toyotas this year brought a D-Max Spacecab auto. So far have done over 25,000 k's off the bitumen on some pretty tought tracks.
Only one word - brilliant.
If you want a truck, if you want reliability, Isuzu is the answer. All the opposition are made by car companies and are becoming more and more car like. An Isuzu motor is good for at least 500,000 k's. You do not hear of to many of the others even getting to half that. Lastly, look at the forums on the various makes for the issues they have, you are hard pressed to find any issue with a D-Max.
Have a test drive, you will be very suprised, I know I was.
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Friday, Dec 02, 2016 at 17:11

Friday, Dec 02, 2016 at 17:11
" All the opposition are made by car companies "
Come on!!!
Toyota has been the leading maker of four wheel drives for years, so your saying they are no good.
What about Ford? Look at the F series trucks, but they make cars so they are no good either?

Really most brands are so similar nowdays it simply

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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Friday, Dec 02, 2016 at 18:23

Friday, Dec 02, 2016 at 18:23
cruiser 3, Toyota made a very good truck the 6000. You can still see tham around and in use on properties.

Ford also made trucks,from the old petrol 600's, d and c series on to the Louisvilles, LTL, LNT, Aeromax etc.and many roadtrain rated. They still make a 14T gvm medium rigid but it is not marketed in Australia.

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Follow Up By: Hilux fan - Friday, Dec 02, 2016 at 20:10

Friday, Dec 02, 2016 at 20:10
I got 510,000 km from my 93 diesel Hilux (and it's still going as a farm ute). I have 360,000 km on my 2006 Hilux turbo diesel and still going fine.
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Saturday, Dec 03, 2016 at 12:38

Saturday, Dec 03, 2016 at 12:38
That's exactly my point to Idler Chris, there are good vehicles out there other than D max and you can't claim all the other brands except D max are made by car companies whereas He claims D max is made by a truck manufacturer therefor is better than the others.
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Follow Up By: Idler Chris - Saturday, Dec 03, 2016 at 14:22

Saturday, Dec 03, 2016 at 14:22
I did NOT say "He claims D max is made by a truck manufacturer therefor is better than the others."
I said the compeditors to the D_Max are becoming more car like and that if you want truck like perfomance, then D-Max is the answer.
Diesel 4wd utes in the past have mostly had truck like engines, this is what is changing in all the utes except the D-Max.
If you like car like performance in a ute then that is where the majority of manufactures are heading, presumably because thats what the market wants.
Because I travel in very remote locations, reliability and strength are paramount to me and is why I choose the D-Max. If your needs are different then some of the other ute's may well be better for you. Hourses for courses.
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 22:45

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 22:45
What are the differences between a Dmax and a Holden Colorado?

Just asking out of curiosity. I haven't done any research. Please excuse my laziness. (See the quote in my sig line.)
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 23:44

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 23:44
Different motor and different gearbox.
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Reply By: Idler Chris - Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 23:16

Wednesday, Nov 30, 2016 at 23:16
Use to be be very similar, now totally different. Thr Isuzu is still a real truck whereas GM with the Colarado is chasing Ford and making their vehicles more car like.
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Follow Up By: Kazza055 - Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 11:16

Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 11:16
Chris, we should not push the D-Max to hard otherwise everyone will want one - hahahaha.

Colorado has a smaller motor turning out more grunt = shorter life span.

D-Max uses one of there motors used in Isuzu trucks. As far as getting service in remote locations, there are many remote truck mechanics that could fix them.
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Reply By: 9900Eagle - Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 05:22

Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 05:22
PX Ranger auto over 50000k of towing 2500kg plus ute loaded to a tad over 3000Kg, 90000K all up. Off road, tracks and some pretty hard ones on the gear.

Not one problem, except I changed the factory tow bar due to clearance.
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Reply By: Maggsie - Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 12:27

Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 12:27
My PX Ranger Supercab (manual) has done almost 80000klm towing a 2 tonne off-road van and now a 3 tonne off-roader. It has travelled the CREB and Telegraph tracks plus the development and the great central roads with no issues. Very comfortable and capable vehicle plus the trouble and strife likes it.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 14:28

Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 14:28
The new Hilux is such a refined vehicle, suggest you drive one. Very smooth and well finished product. The D-max is also high recommended. The Ranger is a great looking vehicle but not proving to be comparable in reliability when compared to the above 2. If you keep your vehicles outside of warranty this is worth considering. If you roll them over just as warranty expires then buy any of them. In the Outback Toyota is king and there is a good reason for that but the Dmax is just as worthy but suggest you drive them before purchasing. Tell the dealers you are considering all three and let the fun begin and may the sharpest pencil win.
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Reply By: gbc - Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 19:53

Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 19:53
Another happy px ranger owner. 3 years 90 000 kms. Hook weight up to all 3 and you'll see why ranger wins everything. Very comfy bus too.
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Follow Up By: Member - Outback Gazz - Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 21:34

Thursday, Dec 01, 2016 at 21:34
G'day gbc

I try hard not to post comments on this great site about vehicles coz - if it's not a Toyota it can't possibly be any good and can't do the job - but my PX Ranger has 150,000 pretty hard k's on the clock in just 4 years with some heavy constant towing and has been absolutely faultless ! I doubt it will do the 900,000 k's my old GQ Patrol has done but if it gets to 300k in the next three years without much trouble or expense then it's done its job for the under 50k purchase price !

I'm extremely happy with it so far !

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Reply By: Member - WBS - Friday, Dec 02, 2016 at 09:34

Friday, Dec 02, 2016 at 09:34
Why ignore the Mazda BT50 in your search if you are looking at the Ford Ranger? They should at least be worth a look in the group of vehicles mentioned.

Good luck with your search
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Reply By: dags666 - Saturday, Dec 03, 2016 at 12:30

Saturday, Dec 03, 2016 at 12:30
Well reading all the warm and fuzzes I must have got the only dmax on the planet with a fault. off the road for 5 weeks had a main control computer shit itself. went to dealer at Kippering after it went into limp mode was told I should of rang roadside support and they would have taken me the nearest dealer
any way telling them they wear it they booked me a service .first result turbo solenoid faulty 3 days later come and get it. Drove around the corner and back into the other driveway Not Fixed same problem. After a week got the shits with the mob and told them I was going to online and spamming every site about the service I had received. Queensland Manger Rang finally qualified for curtesy vehicle. stop the bullshit and tell the truth Finally worked out it was the main computer and it had to go back to japan to be rebuilt could not take one out of another Dmax or a spare one in the country Five weeks later get the keys back any way working ok now but just had to put it out there
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Sunday, Dec 04, 2016 at 09:19

Sunday, Dec 04, 2016 at 09:19
At least you haven't broken a cv joint yet. :-) I've heard they can be prone to breakage.
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Dec 04, 2016 at 21:22

Sunday, Dec 04, 2016 at 21:22
You must work for Ford or Toyota dags done 120 KS in our DMAX in places your arse would not have seen and still doing better then all the rest. IUA would not treat a customer in that way. If you need to see what we have done pm me.
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Follow Up By: Idler Chris - Sunday, Dec 04, 2016 at 21:53

Sunday, Dec 04, 2016 at 21:53
IUA (Isuzu) is up there with Suburu in the customer service ratings.
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Reply By: Wayne G9 - Sunday, Dec 04, 2016 at 18:01

Sunday, Dec 04, 2016 at 18:01
my choice FORD RANGER 3.2 XLT AUTO
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Reply By: Cyberess - Friday, Dec 09, 2016 at 02:16

Friday, Dec 09, 2016 at 02:16
I have been through the same process and it took me nearly 6 months to select my vehicle..

I went with the Ford Ranger PX MK2 and I select a cab chassis base model.

Why:
* The base model came with a electric locking diff, as I do fair amount of 4WDing that was a necessity
* It came with vinyl floors, way better than carpet.
* As it was a base model the pricing was below the $40000 mark on the road
* I like the rated 800mm wading depth
* I like the way the alternator is mounted nice and high in the engine bay.
* I love the electric power steering setup -- It has a really good feel.
* I asked around the 4WD workshops to which of the current 4WDs are easiest to modify with lift kits etc .. They all said the Ford Ranger or the Mazda BT50.
* Vehicles that I seen lifted at the workshops, I checked CV shaft angles etc.. the Fords and Mazda still looked good even after their suspension lifts
* Looking under the vehicle, It appear to have the best clearance of the dual cab utes that I was looking at.
* The vehicle was available as a cab chassis at the time of purchase, all the other vehicle I was looking at I would have remove a tub tub to do my mods.
* Ford Ranger take larger tyres straight on their standard rims -- I fitted for 265/75/16LT tyres, on the standard steel rims
* I like the look of the fords.

I have found the Ford easy to modify to suit my needs, and I have documented my build process on the MySwag website -- The long range fuel tank, the lift, dual battery system, canopy etc (You will need to obtain a free account to view) http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=50278.0

Might as well have a picture here.


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